Do you believe a higher power created the universe, or do you believe in just the Big Bang? (Page 6): The concepts of "the big bang origin of the universe" and creation of the universe...

fetzler Loc: North West PA

bcheary wrote:

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The concepts of "the big bang origin of the universe" and creation of the universe by a higher power are not mutually exclusive. Both can be true, both can be false or one can be true and the other false.

There is a lot of objective evidence that the big bang hypothesis is true but there are certainly lots of things that remain unknown. It is hard to imagine a singularity where time, space, matter and energy are indistinguishable. Occam's razor suggests that the invention (in the mind) of a creator is unnecessary to explain the known facts. Tt is simpler to propose that the universe "always" existed while keeping in mind that the usual concept of time does not apply to a singularity. One might note that a rigorous scientific definition of time does not exist. Indeed, I have a scholarly book that reaches this conclusion after several hundred pages.

Of course one can believe in anything intensely. Unfortunately, the intensity of belief is not an indicator of truth. In the past folks believed things that have been shown to be untrue.

In America you are entitled to believe most anything you want and you might be right and then again you might be wrong.

fetzler Loc: North West PA

Nosaj wrote:

The “Big Bang” was certainly powerful and being so far away from Earth, was certainly high up; so it can be considered a “higher power” itself!

At the instant of the big bang the entire universe is a single point in at least a 6 dimensional "space". So just where is "up". Some classes in physics are in order.

GibbieH Loc: Lynn Township, Lehigh County, PA

bcheary wrote:

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By faith we accept the Bible as God's written Word He has given to us to be able to know Him as we learn what He said. His testimony of Himself is true whether we believe it or not.

Reuss Griffiths Loc: Ravenna, Ohio

Cragzop wrote:

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I believe that your use of entanglement as an example of something faster than the speed of light is not quite correct. The speed of light is a speed limit for matter. Entanglement just states that there is an instantaneous effect for items removed from one another, distance not relevant. It does not require matter to move between them to cause that effect. We commonly speak of electrons jumping from one orbit to another but they do not. The transition is instantaneous just like entanglement. In the early universe, space expanded faster than the big bang and faster the speed of light because matter was not involved. Space is merely a medium where matter can exist.

twb930s Loc: Aldie, Virginia

Who cares? It doesn't really matter. Live your life believing what you choose to believe. Expressing your opinion on a subject like this only leads you down a deep rabbit hole with absolutely no bottom. The only thing you can be certain of is that AI didn't create (or explain) the Universe. Although it may someday help change it.

TonyBot

WDCash wrote:

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I’ve been an “Theistic Evolutionist” my entire life - starting with questioning my minister at eight years old: ‘But, Mr Ivan, how long was a day?’. After a lot of bluster and admonishing looks towards my parents, the answer was: ‘Only God knows’.
My parents put up with me asking silly and unanswerable questions - a lot - only responding: ‘So, what did you think of [Mr Ivan’s] answer?’
I’m forever grateful to them…

TonyBot

fetzler wrote:

At the instant of the big bang the entire universe is a single point in at least a 6 dimensional "space". So just where is "up". Some classes in physics are in order.

And, while it is fairly easy to visualize those six, some quantum gurus suggest there were 10, 11, or as many as 20 dimensions!

SteveR Loc: Michigan

TonyBot wrote:

I’ve been an “Theistic Evolutionist” my entire life - starting with questioning my minister at eight years old: ‘But, Mr Ivan, how long was a day?’. After a lot of bluster and admonishing looks towards my parents, the answer was: ‘Only God knows’.
My parents put up with me asking silly and unanswerable questions - a lot - only responding: ‘So, what did you think of [Mr Ivan’s] answer?’
I’m forever grateful to them…

I always wondered who 2 Peter 3:8 affected things:

New International Version

But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.

lmTrying Loc: WV Northern Panhandle

billnikon wrote:

74 years old, I believe I am here for a reason, just haven't figured out what that is yet.

In my early twenties, wondering why we are hear drive me nuts. Then about the age of 25 I decided we were here to solve the problems. I've had a much calmer existence since then.

Retina Loc: Near Charleston,SC

TonyBot wrote:

I’ve been an “Theistic Evolutionist” my entire life - starting with questioning my minister at eight years old: ‘But, Mr Ivan, how long was a day?’. After a lot of bluster and admonishing looks towards my parents, the answer was: ‘Only God knows’.
My parents put up with me asking silly and unanswerable questions - a lot - only responding: ‘So, what did you think of [Mr Ivan’s] answer?’
I’m forever grateful to them…

You need to watch "Unlocking the Mystery of Life". I think it was produced by Illustra Media. This is the video I would have made in 1975 when I first studied molecular biology if I had the talent. Unfortunately, even as a photographer and with some experience in television, I have no skills in animation. You should watch it twice or more until it sinks in. It will change how you think about intelligent design.

lmTrying Loc: WV Northern Panhandle

TonyBot wrote:

I’ve been an “Theistic Evolutionist” my entire life - starting with questioning my minister at eight years old: ‘But, Mr Ivan, how long was a day?’. After a lot of bluster and admonishing looks towards my parents, the answer was: ‘Only God knows’.
My parents put up with me asking silly and unanswerable questions - a lot - only responding: ‘So, what did you think of [Mr Ivan’s] answer?’
I’m forever grateful to them…

The Bible says that God created everything in six days. My dad was fond of pointing out that the Bible does not define the length of those days.

lmTrying Loc: WV Northern Panhandle

According to the Big Bang, it all started as a singularity.

What happens in a Black Hole? It's my understanding that everything gets swallowed up and compresses into a..... singularity.

Anybody else see the connection here?

Reuss Griffiths Loc: Ravenna, Ohio

I think this whole issue is a search for a Prime Mover. Prime Movers are entities that cause or create something. It infers an intelligence capable of producing the observed outcome. Many argue for the existence of God as the Prime Mover for the universe. If you ascribe this role to the Big Bang, the question becomes "who created the Big Bang". This argument can be carried on ad infinitum, but ultimately has to end with a Prime Mover who started it all. And that entity must have the intelligence/creativity capable of producing the end effect. Seems to me that's the ultimate definition of God. That concept can be and has been applied by most sentient beings to explain the world they live in, As an aside, it would be interesting to note whether artificial intelligence will also move in this direction.

I think all will agree that it is beyond us at this time to answer these questions and rely on faith to support their beliefs. Not an unreasonable approach. In his book "Profiles of the Future", Arthur C. Clarke postulated his famous expression; "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic". And magic it may be but magic requires a magician.

bnsf

There is a problem with his theory. The problem of a big bang theory that the Universe was created this theory fails to bring in the fact as to where did the gases come from to cause the big bang theory.

I still believe in Genesis 1 v1. In the beginning God created the Heavens and the Earth. That is all you need to know about how things got started.

RodeoMan Loc: St Joseph, Missouri

Ed Walker wrote:

If there was a big bang, what was it that exploded, where did it come from and what was the source of the energy that caused it to explode? You are back to God.

Well then we're back to where did God come from? God who was infinitely wise and originated from infinitely nothing.
Now thats an accomplishment --being infinitely wise when there is nothing to be infinitely wise about.