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Do you believe a higher power created the universe, or do you believe in just the Big Bang?
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Oct 24, 2023 14:00:23   #
gvarner Loc: Central Oregon Coast
 
windshoppe wrote:
Shakespeare's King Lear said to his daughter, Cordelia, "Nothing can come of nothing." Perhaps he had read Aristotle's "Physics," which articulates that idea. Or the philosopher Lucretius who in his book "On the Nature of Things" says that nature's first principle is that "nothing's brought forth by any supernatural power of naught....Beholding many things take place in heaven overhead or here on earth whose causes they can't fathom, they assign the explanation for these happenings to powers divine. Nothing can be made from nothing--once we see that's so, already we are on the way to what we want to know."

For my part contemplating the universe makes my head hurt!
Shakespeare's King Lear said to his daughter, Cord... (show quote)


Even the ancient ones had it correct. It’s a matter of intuition, not reason.

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Oct 24, 2023 14:08:58   #
gouldopfl
 
The big bang theory is about as likely as putting a bolt and a nut in a dryer and they connect and going up the shaft of the bolt

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Oct 24, 2023 14:15:50   #
Amator21 Loc: California
 
Faith is believing the unbelievable
Poul.

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Oct 24, 2023 14:33:21   #
Retina Loc: Near Charleston,SC
 
bcheary wrote:
That is where I have a problem with religion and the bible. If we had such an empowering God why do we have so many problems in the world today?

God created us with the ability to choose evil or good. This is clearly stated in the bible. If you have a problem with that you can always ask him why it is that way. But, be both patient and persistent. If you are honest in desiring to know him he will answer. The problem is that a lot of people ultimately to not want to know and prefer their own way. If they do seek, they put God on a timer, so to speak. If he doesn't answer in the time allotted they can then claim he must not exist. His ways are not our ways. He does not belong in any box we make even though many people, even well meaning ones, try to mold him to fit their preferences. But try not to to blame God for man's errors. If you prefer not to have free will, you can always try living in a country where you are ordered what to think or otherwise go to prison, or worse. I don't wish this, of course, but it does illustrate one benefit when a people create and maintain a nation based on protecting man's God-given rights. Also, do not assume the believers share the type of personality that prefers 100% of the time to be subject to an all-powerful master or a certain set of rules. We are human, too! Even the best of kids misbehave. They just know enough to ask for forgiveness. Yes, the churches are full of hypocrites, but they are there because they know it and are trying to live a life guided by God's word. They tried all else and are finally "reading the manual".

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Oct 24, 2023 14:35:13   #
Amator21 Loc: California
 
All religions are social adaptations, have you ever heard of anyone taking on a religion based in an other society, spontaneously and without any prompting?

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Oct 24, 2023 14:40:30   #
bw79st Loc: New York City
 
I'm willing to accept the Big Bang Theory. What most don't seem to notice is that it may not have been the only Big Bang! If there was nothing (or complete compression) before the Big Bang then what circumstances created that? If the universe can expand then maybe it can compress. Maybe ours will compress and lead to a new Big Bang that will some day have some beings pondering the same question.

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Oct 24, 2023 14:41:51   #
cahale Loc: San Angelo, TX
 
bcheary wrote:
Quora.com

Do you believe a higher power created the universe, or do you believe in just the Big Bang?


This is the guy who came up with the Big Bang theory:

No, not the guy to the left with the wild hair – that’s just Albert Einstein. The guy to the right with the weird collar. Yes, Georges Lemaître was not just an astronomer, physicist and mathematician; he was also a priest.

He figured out his theory based on Einstein’s general relativity and figured out that the universe could not be stable and had to expand or contract. Based on the evidence from Edwin Hubble that the universe was expanding, then distances in the universe had to be shorter in the past. And if you extrapolate far enough back into time, you will reach a point where all distances are zero.

Ironically, nobody liked Lemaître’s idea, not even Einstein himself at first. It sounded too much like “let there be light” to them – Lemaître was after all also a priest. Heck, even the name “Big Bang” was invented to mock Lemaître’s theory!

But eventually, evidence won over the sceptics, and now everyone accepts the Big Bang theory no matter if they believe in gods or not. Those who do believe in at least one god sees the Big Bang as how their god created the universe – the answer to the silent “how” following “in the beginning, God created the Heaven and the earth” (or equivalent creation myth in their religion).

The exceptions are a minority of mainly US Evangelical Christians who reject anything which contradicts their literal interpretation of their holy book, and some fringe scientists who reject Einstein’s general relativity.
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Should we include them with the Flat-Earthers?

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Oct 24, 2023 15:06:23   #
Ralphoto Loc: Washington state; now in Pittsburgh
 
Theories are nice. Photography is here?

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Oct 24, 2023 15:37:49   #
bcheary Loc: Jacksonville, FL
 
kpmac wrote:
I am certain of one thing: I am not smart enough to know or understand how it all happened or is happening. So I keep an open mind.


Amen to that.

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Oct 24, 2023 15:59:34   #
Klickitatdave Loc: Seattle Washington
 
Cragzop wrote:
Quantum physics has disproven the Big Bang theory. Even one of Einstein’s basic theories that nothing can exceed the speed of light, has been disproved by quantum physics. Quantum entanglement experiments have shown that particles huge distances apart, are connected:Entanglement is what Einstein referred to as "spooky action at a distance." It's a phenomenon by which one particle can effectively "know" something about another particle instantaneously, even if those two particles are separated by a great distance.
Physics as we’ve known it is approaching a new frontier.
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Oct 24, 2023 16:10:11   #
niteman3d Loc: South Central Pennsylvania, USA
 
Over a hundred billion people have lived here if you listen to the "experts". Imagine the number of words written on this subject. If there were a definitive answer to the question, we would all know it by now, wouldn't we?

Iris has the best answer in about five verses:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlaoR5m4L80

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Oct 24, 2023 17:10:47   #
bcheary Loc: Jacksonville, FL
 
niteman3d wrote:
Over a hundred billion people have lived here if you listen to the "experts". Imagine the number of words written on this subject. If there were a definitive answer to the question, we would all know it by now, wouldn't we?

Iris has the best answer in about five verses:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlaoR5m4L80



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Oct 24, 2023 17:10:51   #
Judy795
 
billnikon wrote:
74 years old, I believe I am here for a reason, just haven't figured out what that is yet.


I am here to make the world a better place. So far I have touched and hopefully improved the lives of several hundred children and adults my 25 years of social work with families.

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Oct 24, 2023 17:22:49   #
bcheary Loc: Jacksonville, FL
 
Judy795 wrote:
I am here to make the world a better place. So far I have touched and hopefully improved the lives of several hundred children and adults my 25 years of social work with families.


Good for you.

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Oct 24, 2023 17:28:04   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
niteman3d wrote:
Over a hundred billion people have lived here if you listen to the "experts". Imagine the number of words written on this subject. If there were a definitive answer to the question, we would all know it by now, wouldn't we?

Iris has the best answer in about five verses:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlaoR5m4L80


Not necessarily. That's an unproved assertion. Truth is so easily perverted. All I would agree to is that the Truth is out there somewhere to be found.

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