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Do you believe a higher power created the universe, or do you believe in just the Big Bang?
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Oct 24, 2023 11:12:46   #
riderxlx Loc: DFW area Texas
 
bcheary wrote:
Quora.com

Do you believe a higher power created the universe, or do you believe in just the Big Bang?


This is the guy who came up with the Big Bang theory:

No, not the guy to the left with the wild hair – that’s just Albert Einstein. The guy to the right with the weird collar. Yes, Georges Lemaître was not just an astronomer, physicist and mathematician; he was also a priest.

He figured out his theory based on Einstein’s general relativity and figured out that the universe could not be stable and had to expand or contract. Based on the evidence from Edwin Hubble that the universe was expanding, then distances in the universe had to be shorter in the past. And if you extrapolate far enough back into time, you will reach a point where all distances are zero.

Ironically, nobody liked Lemaître’s idea, not even Einstein himself at first. It sounded too much like “let there be light” to them – Lemaître was after all also a priest. Heck, even the name “Big Bang” was invented to mock Lemaître’s theory!

But eventually, evidence won over the sceptics, and now everyone accepts the Big Bang theory no matter if they believe in gods or not. Those who do believe in at least one god sees the Big Bang as how their god created the universe – the answer to the silent “how” following “in the beginning, God created the Heaven and the earth” (or equivalent creation myth in their religion).

The exceptions are a minority of mainly US Evangelical Christians who reject anything which contradicts their literal interpretation of their holy book, and some fringe scientists who reject Einstein’s general relativity.
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Oh brother, a question like this has no answer but will generate pages of opinions.
Theories come and go as time goes by.

I have thought about what was before the bang, the bang had to have the substance we see so where did it come from ?
Why the bang ?
what was before it ?
We live and perceive in a three dimensional world.

When I look at the Bible about God and Heaven I see a another dimension which can be called the heavenly realm.
Are there others ? I do not know.

I love the images from the telescopes of the unimaginable size, beauty and all etc. etc. of the universe we live in.
bruce

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Oct 24, 2023 11:25:55   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
gvarner wrote:
... The concept of God is simply a placeholder for information we do not have.
An intriguing way of describing religion.

Regarding the concept of "time," aren't our calendar and our clocks based on our planet's rotation and its revolutions around the sun? Time elsewhere is likely a far different concept from what humans came up with.

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Oct 24, 2023 11:31:22   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
kerry12 wrote:
I guess I'm Part of the fringe then. I'm Evangelical and make no apologies.
Did anyone ask you to apologize or imply that you should? So far this has been an amazingly polite and thoughtful conversation.

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Oct 24, 2023 11:33:33   #
Papa Joe Loc: Midwest U.S.
 
I would say I'm in agreement with that Nun who responded as she did. The 'higher power' (God Almighty) who created the 'big bang'. I believe all things were created by the Lord God...
I believe Our Father God always was, and created everything that has been created, including the Scientists who try to explain Him away. I believe life as we know it would be a useless waste of time without my belief as such.
God Bless,
Papa Joe

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Oct 24, 2023 11:40:07   #
riderxlx Loc: DFW area Texas
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
An intriguing way of describing religion.

Regarding the concept of "time," aren't our calendar and our clocks based on our planet's rotation and its revolutions around the sun? Time elsewhere is likely a far different concept from what humans came up with.


Hey Linda, I wonder how the Flat Earthers can spin this ?
Bruce.

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Oct 24, 2023 11:43:18   #
Retina Loc: Near Charleston,SC
 
gvarner wrote:
As did lightening and fire in ancient times. Now we know what’s behind them, back then we didn’t, so our imagination filled in the knowledge gap with the God placeholder.

Having the capability to understand some basics about the chemistry and physics behind fire does not preclude the possibility of an intelligent designer and creator. It only means that we are endowed with brains. It reminds me of my introduction to molecular biology and my immediate reaction to the complexity of polymerases, transcription, and process and all the components involved with the translation from the language of DNA to the protein language. Until that time I had accepted evolution as the explanation for how all life and how the tremendous variety of species came about. After all, Moses' synopsis of the history of today's world and its life is remarkably similar to how science describes the evolution of life. That's pretty good for a Hebrew orphan raised in ancient Egypt. Darwin was not aware in the slightest of the actual mechanisms required for evolution as the explanation for life. It fails to address the problem of irreducible complexity when applied to each and every sub-cellular mechanism. He did not attempt to explain away a creator, only that a creator was not directly responsible for the ultimate variety in life forms. Dawkins, on the other hand, struggled to come up with fanciful rationalizations to explain life without a designer. He has good reason, as do many others, to fear that there may be a creator who desires us to live as intended. It is often asked, even in an earlier post, why is there so much pain and evil in the world? Nearly all suffering is the result of greed and hatred by men in direct and intentional opposition to God's laws, yet those who pretend to know more then any imagined god blame him instead. The remainder of suffering from natural causes are opportunities for man to help others, as God has also ordained, but we only rarely answer this call and again blame him. We tend to give ourselves full credit for our health, wealth, and imagined safety and quietly ignore, if not openly exploit the weaker among us. As for me, I am glad for the evolution of cameras and for their intelligent designers and creators. I can hear CHG_CANON now: "And on the sixth day, we created the MILC."

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Oct 24, 2023 11:54:19   #
Ava'sPapa Loc: Cheshire, Ct.
 
I believe in God and my beliefs can't be changed just as I wouldn't try to change anyone else's beliefs. No proof...all faith. My question is this (which really can't be answered), how did everything come to be? In our limited, human reasoning everything has to start somewhere. Big Bang, billions of billions of stars, billions of years...where did it start??? I remember contemplating this with the help of a certain substance in my youth and occasionally I contemplate it today with an unfettered mind. Omnipresence (beyond my comprehension) may be the answer. It IS actually the answer that I accept.

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Oct 24, 2023 12:03:35   #
POVDOV
 
bcheary wrote:
Quora.com

Do you believe a higher power created the universe, or do you believe in just the Big Bang?


This is the guy who came up with the Big Bang theory:

No, not the guy to the left with the wild hair – that’s just Albert Einstein. The guy to the right with the weird collar. Yes, Georges Lemaître was not just an astronomer, physicist and mathematician; he was also a priest.

He figured out his theory based on Einstein’s general relativity and figured out that the universe could not be stable and had to expand or contract. Based on the evidence from Edwin Hubble that the universe was expanding, then distances in the universe had to be shorter in the past. And if you extrapolate far enough back into time, you will reach a point where all distances are zero.

Ironically, nobody liked Lemaître’s idea, not even Einstein himself at first. It sounded too much like “let there be light” to them – Lemaître was after all also a priest. Heck, even the name “Big Bang” was invented to mock Lemaître’s theory!

But eventually, evidence won over the sceptics, and now everyone accepts the Big Bang theory no matter if they believe in gods or not. Those who do believe in at least one god sees the Big Bang as how their god created the universe – the answer to the silent “how” following “in the beginning, God created the Heaven and the earth” (or equivalent creation myth in their religion).

The exceptions are a minority of mainly US Evangelical Christians who reject anything which contradicts their literal interpretation of their holy book, and some fringe scientists who reject Einstein’s general relativity.
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There are many gods that are believed in by people on this planet. I'm afraid I don't care much for any of them. The one thing I can believe in is this Planet EARTH. I can see, smell hear and touch itl. It is all powerful and is slowly getting angry at the way it is being treated. I really don't like being told my god was a gift from another god for christians to have and ruin.

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Oct 24, 2023 12:13:36   #
gvarner Loc: Central Oregon Coast
 
Ava'sPapa wrote:
I believe in God and my beliefs can't be changed just as I wouldn't try to change anyone else's beliefs. No proof...all faith. My question is this (which really can't be answered), how did everything come to be? In our limited, human reasoning everything has to start somewhere. Big Bang, billions of billions of stars, billions of years...where did it start??? I remember contemplating this with the help of a certain substance in my youth and occasionally I contemplate it today with an unfettered mind. Omnipresence (beyond my comprehension) may be the answer. It IS actually the answer that I accept.
I believe in God and my beliefs can't be changed j... (show quote)


Rid yourself of the concept that everything has to start somewhere. That’s a human construct since we see ourselves having a beginning and an end so everything else must have a beginning and an end. The universe does not operate by our rules of time, rules that require a beginning and an end. My intuition alone tells me this.

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Oct 24, 2023 12:17:37   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
bcheary wrote:
That is where I have a problem with religion and the bible. If we had such an empowering God why do we have so many problems in the world today?


The answer is in the Bible. God did not make automatons. He created sentient beings, both angels and human beings with choice. What we are seeing in this world is the result of bad choices. God, could, ofc, have surrounded himself with robots praising His name for eternity and there would have been no evil in this world, but then, ofc, this world would not be at all. By knowing Him, however, we ARE empowered to rise above the human nature that we were born with and become more like God Himself in our daily lives and, in fact, to be used by God for His purposes.

Note: I have been warned about posting theological posts in Chit-Chat, but this post is in response to a theological post already in Chit-Chat.

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Oct 24, 2023 12:24:12   #
Bogo Loc: St.Louis, Mo
 
Well Said, Sir

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Oct 24, 2023 12:25:51   #
gvarner Loc: Central Oregon Coast
 
SteveR wrote:
The answer is in the Bible. God did not make automatons. He created sentient beings, both angels and human beings with choice. What we are seeing in this world is the result of bad choices. God, could, ofc, have surrounded himself with robots praising His name for eternity and there would have been no evil in this world, but then, ofc, this world would not be at all. By knowing Him, however, we ARE empowered to rise above the human nature that we were born with and become more like God Himself in our daily lives and, in fact, to be used by God for His purposes.

Note: I have been warned about posting theological posts in Chit-Chat, but this post is in response to a theological post already in Chit-Chat.
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Your answer is in the Bible. Others find their answers elsewhere.

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Oct 24, 2023 13:33:29   #
bwana Loc: Bergen, Alberta, Canada
 
bcheary wrote:
Quora.com

Do you believe a higher power created the universe, or do you believe in just the Big Bang?


This is the guy who came up with the Big Bang theory:

No, not the guy to the left with the wild hair – that’s just Albert Einstein. The guy to the right with the weird collar. Yes, Georges Lemaître was not just an astronomer, physicist and mathematician; he was also a priest.

He figured out his theory based on Einstein’s general relativity and figured out that the universe could not be stable and had to expand or contract. Based on the evidence from Edwin Hubble that the universe was expanding, then distances in the universe had to be shorter in the past. And if you extrapolate far enough back into time, you will reach a point where all distances are zero.

Ironically, nobody liked Lemaître’s idea, not even Einstein himself at first. It sounded too much like “let there be light” to them – Lemaître was after all also a priest. Heck, even the name “Big Bang” was invented to mock Lemaître’s theory!

But eventually, evidence won over the sceptics, and now everyone accepts the Big Bang theory no matter if they believe in gods or not. Those who do believe in at least one god sees the Big Bang as how their god created the universe – the answer to the silent “how” following “in the beginning, God created the Heaven and the earth” (or equivalent creation myth in their religion).

The exceptions are a minority of mainly US Evangelical Christians who reject anything which contradicts their literal interpretation of their holy book, and some fringe scientists who reject Einstein’s general relativity.
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Since we live in a simulation something/someone must have created it...

bwa

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Oct 24, 2023 13:39:26   #
windshoppe Loc: Arizona
 
Shakespeare's King Lear said to his daughter, Cordelia, "Nothing can come of nothing." Perhaps he had read Aristotle's "Physics," which articulates that idea. Or the philosopher Lucretius who in his book "On the Nature of Things" says that nature's first principle is that "nothing's brought forth by any supernatural power of naught....Beholding many things take place in heaven overhead or here on earth whose causes they can't fathom, they assign the explanation for these happenings to powers divine. Nothing can be made from nothing--once we see that's so, already we are on the way to what we want to know."

For my part contemplating the universe makes my head hurt!

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Oct 24, 2023 13:56:35   #
Overthehill1
 
I don't worry about it. I'll find out after I'm dead. Or I won't.

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