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Oct 8, 2023 17:34:20   #
Fstop12 Loc: Kentucky
 
Phil Singer wrote:
I still remember a few things from my days picking up a PhD in Biophysics. Assuming that any of the enzymes (everything in the ingredients ending in -ase) managed to make survive long enough to do anything, I can't think where any of them would have anything to do with controlling blood sugar. I would give High Marks to whoever came up with the label, it does sound impressive to someone who doesn't know what the ingredients are.

Maybe the idea is that after buying it, one doesn't have enough money left to buy anything to eat.
I still remember a few things from my days picking... (show quote)



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Oct 8, 2023 17:35:14   #
Fstop12 Loc: Kentucky
 
bcplimpton wrote:
I would check out the following link as it makes me think they are looking for beta testers for a potential new money maker.
https://www.tranont.com/about/tranontlabs


Thanks for the link

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Oct 8, 2023 21:33:10   #
greigfla
 
Fstop12 wrote:
I'm looking for an opinion on this Food Supplement a friend of mine is selling. I say if it sounds too good to be true........ Attached you will see some info, the actual label on the bottle. I would appreciate any opinion from the medical professionals. I'm especially interested in the claim of controlling blood sugar.


I would say it's nowhere near as good as Mother's Sweet Milk of Rattlesnake Oil, meticulously created by a Real Doctor . . . . who came here all the way from Paris, France, to offer you -- after The Show -- one big bottle for only one, single, silver dollar. But quantities are limited, so, sorry, no more than one case per customer. Hurry and get yours before we sell out!!!!!

On an unrelated note, when did UHH decide to let us post -- at no cost -- cheesy advertising for totally unrelated, questionable products as long as the ads are thinly disguised as "questions"?

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Oct 9, 2023 05:54:46   #
Fstop12 Loc: Kentucky
 
greigfla wrote:
I would say it's nowhere near as good as Mother's Sweet Milk of Rattlesnake Oil, meticulously created by a Real Doctor . . . . who came here all the way from Paris, France, to offer you -- after The Show -- one big bottle for only one, single, silver dollar. But quantities are limited, so, sorry, no more than one case per customer. Hurry and get yours before we sell out!!!!!

On an unrelated note, when did UHH decide to let us post -- at no cost -- cheesy advertising for totally unrelated, questionable products as long as the ads are thinly disguised as "questions"?
I would say it's nowhere near as good as Mother's ... (show quote)


I'm pretty sure I met the requirement for posting in this section. General Chit-Chat (non-photography talk)
A place to talk about anything (discussions not related to photography).

My intentions were sincere, I was requesting feedback by "Educated Medical Professionals". Obviously you aren't one of them!

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Oct 9, 2023 20:22:51   #
DMB70
 
I am a Retred Pediatrician who has treated diabetic children.

Trulicity is an injectable diabetes medicine that helps control blood sugar levels.
No comparison to the food supplement asked about. This looks like a scam. I would never reccomend this product expecting it to make any difference in controling blood sugur.

Listen to your doctor and seek out one who specializes in treating diabetes.

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Oct 9, 2023 20:23:39   #
Fstop12 Loc: Kentucky
 
DMB70 wrote:
I am a Retred Pediatrician who has treated diabetic children.

Trulicity is an injectable diabetes medicine that helps control blood sugar levels.
No comparison to the food supplement asked about. This looks like a scam. I would never reccomend this product expecting it to make any difference in controling blood sugur.

Listen to your doctor and seek out one who specializes in treating diabetes.


Thank you for taking the time to respond.

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Oct 10, 2023 00:57:32   #
Scruples Loc: Brooklyn, New York
 
Fstop12 wrote:
I'm looking for an opinion on this Food Supplement a friend of mine is selling…..


I am not inclined to call this product, “garbage.” I can only say that it doesn’t tell me much. It is a nutritional supplement meaning there are no definitive studies on its efficacy improving a complex biological process. As a pharmacist, I would like to review any literature regarding what it is supposed to do. Also as a medical professional, I would like to know more about you. For those reasons I do not advise this product for anyone at this time. I can be private e-mailed so as to protect you. Thank you.
Steven Gewirtz
rph_steven@yahoo.com

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Oct 10, 2023 01:12:05   #
Scruples Loc: Brooklyn, New York
 
Fstop12 wrote:
I'm pretty sure I met the requirement for posting in this section. General Chit-Chat (non-photography talk)
A place to talk about anything (discussions not related to photography).

My intentions were sincere, I was requesting feedback by "Educated Medical Professionals". Obviously you aren't one of them!


Let us not get into name calling. It is only going to create animosity.

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Oct 10, 2023 10:19:03   #
profbowman Loc: Harrisonburg, VA, USA
 
trinhqthuan wrote:
Assume that GCETM listed on the bottle is actually  GCE ( Green Coffee Extract).    GCETM   plus all other enzymes are only 410 mg per container  of 60 capsules. It does not list how much actually GCETM is among those 410 mg.
Excerpt from one publication.
"overall results demonstrated that GCE administration did not result in any significant alteration in insulin levels (WMD: −0.925 μU/ml, 95% CI:−1.915, 0.064), with significant heterogeneity found across studies (I2 = 87.9%).  The results of present study support the use of GCE for the enhancement of blood glucose, while subgroup analysis highlighted significant improvements in insulin levels when GCE is supplemented in doses ≥400 mg/day."

COFFEE | Analysis of Coffee Products

L.C. Trugo, in Encyclopedia of Food Sciences and Nutrition (Second Edition), 2003

Chlorogenic Acids

Chlorogenic acid is a trivial name used to define the major phenolic components found in coffee. This name originates from early observations that green coffee extracts produced a green color after addition of a solution of ferric chloride. In fact, chlorogenic acids present in coffee are mainly esters of quinic acid with caffeic, ferulic, or coumaric acids. Significant amounts of three isomers (in positions 3, 4, and 5 of quinic acid) of each of these groups of caffeoylquinic, di-caffeoylquinic, and feruloylquinic acids are usually found in green and processed coffees. They are not resistant to heat and are degraded during roasting, contributing to the aroma fraction. Consequently, their levels in the coffee beverage are dependent on the roasting degree, with less than 10% of the original green coffee content found in very dark roasted coffees (Table 3).

Table 3. Content of chlorogenic acid groups in green, roasted, and instant coffees

Chlorogenic acid    Green Arabica  Medium Arabica     Green Robusta MediumRobusta   Instant coffee (average of 13 samples)
CQA                                5.8                 2.0                          6.8                1.8                          4.3
diCQA                            0.9                  0.2                          1.4                  0.1                         0.4
FQA                               0.3                  0.1                          0.6                  0.2                          1.1
Total                                7.0                2.3                          8.8                   2.1                       5.8

Results expressed in g% dry basis.

CQA, caffeoylquinic acid; diCQA, di-caffeoylquinic acid; FQA, feruloylquinic acid.

Adapted from Trugo LC (1984) PhD thesis. University of Reading, UK.

Suggestion:
Buy decaf instant coffee
Read more before buying the bottle
Assume that GCETM listed on the bottle is actually... (show quote)


Just to keep the record straight, I'll point o ut that the 410 mg of "supplements" is per each capsule and not for the whole bottle of 60 pills. I do agree that not paying for such expensive supplements that probably do not do anything helpful to our bodies is the best route to go. --Richard

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Oct 10, 2023 14:15:20   #
Drbobcameraguy Loc: Eaton Ohio
 
go2hale wrote:
I'm not a DR or anything close to it. I am a diabetic ! I was on Metformin for years until lately Approx 7 months. I am now on Trulicity ! It not only has helped my blood sugar numbers but I have also went from 223# down to 178 #. I feel great & I just turned 78 !


Weight loss is one of the best things for diabetes and high blood pressure. Congratulations on your health!!

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Oct 10, 2023 14:31:59   #
Scruples Loc: Brooklyn, New York
 
Fstop12 wrote:
I haven’t found any clinical studies done on humans, just one being done on mice….


I love mice. They are so cute and willing and above all else stupid and will skew the results so the “clinical trials” say anything you want. I just love their cute little eyes staring at you.

This is a nutritional supplement. I doesn’t need FDA approval. It is not a drug!

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Oct 10, 2023 17:52:39   #
BebuLamar
 
go2hale wrote:
I'm not a DR or anything close to it. I am a diabetic ! I was on Metformin for years until lately Approx 7 months. I am now on Trulicity ! It not only has helped my blood sugar numbers but I have also went from 223# down to 178 #. I feel great & I just turned 78 !


What kind of insurance do you have. With my insurance it cost me an arm and a leg for some part of the year.

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Oct 10, 2023 22:31:54   #
Tote1940 Loc: Dallas
 
Remember that Congress under lobbyist pressure made a big hole in law: things sold as supplements are exempt from FDA control .
In USA you can sell anything as long as labelled as supplement, no one controls what actual contents are. May or may not contain items in label.
If label carefully worded it can avoid any health claim enough to stay away from Feds.
Consumer Union ran some studies showing lack of claimed ingredients in some samples.
Most Supplement and vitamin makers do not actually make their products, just buy bulk and package label and sell. Actually same goes for all generic and even propietary labelled prescription drugs.
We depend on honesty of exporters!

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