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Sep 17, 2023 09:00:46   #
fredpnm Loc: Corrales, NM
 
All I can say is use a faster shutter speed. I take similar plans photos every week. I find shutter speed is an excellent solution. All consider using something around f/8.

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Sep 17, 2023 09:16:32   #
jaymatt Loc: Alexandria, Indiana
 
They all seem the same to me.

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Sep 17, 2023 10:23:56   #
Jimmy T Loc: Virginia
 
Howard5252 wrote:
The three photos are were taken as a quick burst and I was trying to decide which photo to select of the three to show the pilot. To do this I enlarged them and when I did so, I noticed something strange. Look at the slits (probably air vents) at the side of the engine. They appear to be reversed in the second photo. I thought it was caused by the relative speed of my panning and the speed of the aircraft but this was a hi-speed burst and only the second photo shows a problem. I know there was no magical momentary reversal and the bolts are probably the key to the answer but I am stumped as to the cause. The printing on the plane doesn't seem to have been effected. The lens is a Nikon 500mmPF mounted on a tripod.
The three photos are were taken as a quick burst a... (show quote)


They all look about the same to me.
My guess would be a combination of shutter speed and inaccurate panning rate.
I took a shot at doing some quick adjustments to your pic. I hope that you don't mind.
CHG_CANON is one of our resident experts on plane photos. Maybe he will respond?
Best Wishes,
JimmyT Sends


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Sep 17, 2023 11:27:33   #
Mr Bill 2011 Loc: southern Indiana
 
Howard5252 wrote:
OK I just found a similar movement in the sun glint on the right wheel. I don't think it was physical movement but rather a change in the relative panning speed and the speed of the plane. Whatever caused it ... it was quick.


you can see the difference when you look at the "focus" on the tires; photo 1 appears sharp at 1 and 7 o'clock, while photo 2 appears sharp at 11 and 5 o'clock. Just little variations while panning an airplane landing at 80-100 mph.

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Sep 17, 2023 12:12:17   #
Howard5252 Loc: New York / Florida (now)
 
Jimmy T wrote:
They all look about the same to me.
My guess would be a combination of shutter speed and inaccurate panning rate.
I took a shot at doing some quick adjustments to your pic. I hope that you don't mind.
CHG_CANON is one of our resident experts on plane photos. Maybe he will respond?
Best Wishes,
JimmyT Sends

My shots were straight out of the camera. I didn't mind the tweaks except when I do mine, I won't change the color of the wings.

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Sep 17, 2023 13:37:47   #
rockdog Loc: Berkeley, Ca.
 
Mr Bill 2011 wrote:
caused by camera movement up & down; show the pilot the third one, it's in the best focus.



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Sep 17, 2023 13:44:33   #
ecblackiii Loc: Maryland
 
They are all open in the same direction. They actually have to be open to the rear to allow air to flow over the engine for cooling. The air intake is through the cowling behind the propeller. The air is exhausted to the rear of the aircraft. If some of the exhaust vents were open to the front it would disrupt the smooth flow of air over the engine and overheat the engine.

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Sep 17, 2023 13:51:43   #
ecblackiii Loc: Maryland
 
It was the panning speed, which did not match the airplane's movement.

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Sep 17, 2023 14:06:11   #
Monie1121 Loc: Michigan
 
The third picture is the best one of them all. Even when you enlarge it, it's the cleanest one with no blurring. The pilot will definitely love it.

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Sep 17, 2023 15:57:19   #
joecichjr Loc: Chicago S. Suburbs, Illinois, USA
 
Jimmy T wrote:
They all look about the same to me.
My guess would be a combination of shutter speed and inaccurate panning rate.
I took a shot at doing some quick adjustments to your pic. I hope that you don't mind.
CHG_CANON is one of our resident experts on plane photos. Maybe he will respond?
Best Wishes,
JimmyT Sends


Superb, Jimmy

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Sep 17, 2023 20:47:20   #
SENSORLOUPE
 
fredpnm wrote:
In all three photos, the vents - the side ones especially - all look the same to me


they are 3 different shots

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Sep 18, 2023 08:07:05   #
steve_stoneblossom Loc: Rhode Island, USA
 
ecblackiii wrote:
It was the panning speed, which did not match the airplane's movement.


Based on OP's enlargements I would agree. Speed, in conjunction with the direction of camera movement in relation to the actual movement of the airplane.

It appears that neither shot panned 100% parallel to the plane's flight path, hence in one photo the bolts angle from upper left to lower right, while the other angles from lower left to upper right.

I don't know if a faster shutter would be possible, but that might help. Nevertheless, nice job!

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Sep 18, 2023 08:20:32   #
Jimmy T Loc: Virginia
 
joecichjr wrote:
Superb, Jimmy


Thanks, Joe!
I'm color blind so I rely on the "White Eye Dropper" for sometimes poor color choices.
Best Wishes,
JimmyT Sends

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Sep 18, 2023 09:02:56   #
Stephan G
 
Howard5252 wrote:
The three photos are were taken as a quick burst and I was trying to decide which photo to select of the three to show the pilot. To do this I enlarged them and when I did so, I noticed something strange. Look at the slits (probably air vents) at the side of the engine. They appear to be reversed in the second photo. I thought it was caused by the relative speed of my panning and the speed of the aircraft but this was a hi-speed burst and only the second photo shows a problem. I know there was no magical momentary reversal and the bolts are probably the key to the answer but I am stumped as to the cause. The printing on the plane doesn't seem to have been effected. The lens is a Nikon 500mmPF mounted on a tripod.
The three photos are were taken as a quick burst a... (show quote)


Looking at the ensuing texts, I think it would have helped to have had the enlarged portions of the shots first. It would have made a better starting point.

It has made me think of the effect of videoing of propellers showing them running contra intuitive directions. Same with "rotating" wheel covers on cars. Videos are slivers of positions relative to time and position. Solution to videoing cars in motion was to have cameras traveling in parallel to the onscreen vehicle. Also, if I recall correctly, the side panels on small planes are not on as tight as one presumes. A thing of perception.

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Sep 18, 2023 10:12:15   #
SalvageDiver Loc: Huntington Beach CA
 
This is simply motion blur, not a fast enough shutter speed for panning effects relative to the motion of the plane.

This effect isn't just on the fins, but throughout the images, especially the details in the cowling. It can be also seen in the details around the wheels and the reflections on the tail.

When you solve for the motion blur, the fin images, you illustrated, become very similar.

Attached is image 2 with and without motion blur


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