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Sep 11, 2023 16:25:02   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
rehess wrote:
Perhaps the OP was confused, since he specified an “R6”, and the R6 apparently does have IBIS. Your ‘admonition’ to “read the manual” is the best advice in this thread.


I don’t think he was confused - he asked specifically if he should turn off IS on his RF lens, and the answer is no as stated on page 1, but I agree that RTFM as Bill suggested is an excellent admonition. If you’re wondering if he should disable IBIS on the R6, my opinion is no on that also, but in fairness, I haven’t read the “fine” R6 manual

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Sep 11, 2023 16:36:42   #
Amadeus Loc: New York
 
Oh boy. This isn’t going to end well. 😊

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Sep 11, 2023 16:36:42   #
Basil_O Loc: Minneapolis, MN
 
TriX wrote:
Better check yours instead - this thread is concerning using in-lens image stabilization, NOT IBIS, with a tripod. And I was addressing the opening line of the comment by rehess: “ Market leading technology??????” and pointing out that canon had not only popularized AF (which completely changed the industry), but also introduced the FIRST lens with image stabilization.


I would disagree about Canon popularizing AF. The Minolta A7000 not only was the first SLR to feature AF, it also was the first to utilize a motorized film advance. These 2 advancements were the real game changers. Canon followed with the first stabilized lenses. Having had IBIS since my Sony A100, making all my lenses stabilized I would say that Canon probably had the right idea to utilize stabilization in lenses, especially in longer ones. I don't want to niggle with details, but give credit where credit is due. In the 80's. Minolta was perceived to be the leader in engineering advances for SLR's. A nasty lawsuit with Honeywell over AF patents severely hampered their ability to fund further advances, eventually leading to Sony acquiring the brand to get ahold of it's DSLR technology.

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Sep 11, 2023 17:40:26   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
Basil_O wrote:
I would disagree about Canon popularizing AF. The Minolta A7000 not only was the first SLR to feature AF, it also was the first to utilize a motorized film advance. These 2 advancements were the real game changers. Canon followed with the first stabilized lenses. Having had IBIS since my Sony A100, making all my lenses stabilized I would say that Canon probably had the right idea to utilize stabilization in lenses, especially in longer ones. I don't want to niggle with details, but give credit where credit is due. In the 80's. Minolta was perceived to be the leader in engineering advances for SLR's. A nasty lawsuit with Honeywell over AF patents severely hampered their ability to fund further advances, eventually leading to Sony acquiring the brand to get ahold of it's DSLR technology.
I would disagree about Canon popularizing AF. The ... (show quote)


I like Minoltas a lot (carried an SRT 101 all over VietNam in the 60s), but they were not the first to introduce AF in a camera. That honor falls to Konica’s C35 in 1977. And they were nowhere near the first to introduce motor drive on cameras - that honor falls to Nikon in 1957. As you say, let’s give credit where it’s due. Now regarding Canon’s contribution to AF. Before the Canon EOS mount and AF system, most pros that weren’t using medium or larger format were shooting Nikons (except maybe some Leicas), not Minolta and not Konica. The EOS mount and AF (previously available on the T80 in 1985) introduced in 1987, changed the balance completely and before long Canon dominated the 35mm pro market as it has for years. That’s certainly one of the largest sea changes in 35mm photography since the DSLR until today’s move to mirrorless. I’m trying not to sound like a Canon Fanboyz, but let’s give credit where it’s due. And despite Sony’s well deserved market share in mirrorless cameras, let’s not forget that Canon sells more total cameras than Sony, Nikon, Fuji and Panasonic combined, so I’d call that a success story.

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Sep 11, 2023 18:07:40   #
BebuLamar
 
TriX wrote:
I like Minoltas a lot (carried an SRT 101 all over VietNam in the 60s), but they were not the first to introduce AF in a camera. That honor falls to Konica’s C35 in 1977. And they were nowhere near the first to introduce motor drive on cameras - that honor falls to Nikon in 1957. As you say, let’s give credit where it’s due. Now regarding Canon’s contribution to AF. Before the Canon EOS mount and AF system, most pros that weren’t using medium or larger format were shooting Nikons (except maybe some Leicas), not Minolta and not Konica. The EOS mount and AF, introduced in 1985, changed the balance completely and before long Canon dominated the 35mm pro market as it has for years. That’s certainly one of the largest sea changes in 35mm photography since the DSLR until today’s move to mirrorless. I’m trying not to sound like a Canon Fanboyz, but let’s give credit where it’s due. And despite Sony’s well deserved market share in mirrorless cameras, let’s not forget that Canon sells more total cameras than Sony, Nikon, Fuji and Panasonic combined, so I’d call that a success story.
I like Minoltas a lot (carried an SRT 101 all over... (show quote)


If I am not mistaken Canon introduced the EF lenses and EOS cameras in 1987 after Minolta but certainly by abandoning the FD mount they surppassed Nikon.

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Sep 11, 2023 18:22:41   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
BebuLamar wrote:
If I am not mistaken Canon introduced the EF lenses and EOS cameras in 1987 after Minolta but certainly by abandoning the FD mount they surppassed Nikon.


Right, and thanks for the clarification/correction - I’ve edited my post. Canon introduced AF on the T80 (with the FD mount) in 1985 and the EOS mount in early 1987.

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Sep 11, 2023 18:26:02   #
Basil_O Loc: Minneapolis, MN
 
TriX wrote:
I like Minoltas a lot (carried an SRT 101 all over VietNam in the 60s), but they were not the first to introduce AF in a camera. That honor falls to Konica’s C35 in 1977. And they were nowhere near the first to introduce motor drive on cameras - that honor falls to Nikon in 1957. As you say, let’s give credit where it’s due. Now regarding Canon’s contribution to AF. Before the Canon EOS mount and AF system, most pros that weren’t using medium or larger format were shooting Nikons (except maybe some Leicas), not Minolta and not Konica. The EOS mount and AF (previously available on the T80 in 1985) introduced in 1987, changed the balance completely and before long Canon dominated the 35mm pro market as it has for years. That’s certainly one of the largest sea changes in 35mm photography since the DSLR until today’s move to mirrorless. I’m trying not to sound like a Canon Fanboyz, but let’s give credit where it’s due. And despite Sony’s well deserved market share in mirrorless cameras, let’s not forget that Canon sells more total cameras than Sony, Nikon, Fuji and Panasonic combined, so I’d call that a success story.
I like Minoltas a lot (carried an SRT 101 all over... (show quote)


I stand corrected. I guess I need to stay away from the internet when I am feeling under the wheather. Memory gets cloudy. LOL

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Sep 11, 2023 18:30:45   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
Basil_O wrote:
I stand corrected. I guess I need to stay away from the internet when I am feeling under the wheather. Memory gets cloudy. LOL


Basil, my memory is getting cloudier by the day. Worrisome - I was hoping my brain would be the last to go, and now at 78, I’m forgetting things.

Cheers

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Sep 11, 2023 21:01:05   #
Bruce T Loc: Michigan
 
Totally agree. You will most likely forget to turn it back on.

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Sep 11, 2023 21:01:49   #
Basil_O Loc: Minneapolis, MN
 
Oh...there are those days, that's for sure.

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Sep 11, 2023 22:06:12   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
TriX wrote:
1995. Canon popularized autofocus with their EOS system in 1987 and displaced Nikon as the leading camera used by professional photographers and photojournalists. And in 1995 Canon introduced the world’s first lens using image stabilization technology. How’s that for market leading technology? So easy to check facts.


“First” is not the same thing as “leading”.

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Sep 11, 2023 22:48:32   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
“First” is not the same thing as “leading”.


Well, how about this? Based on market share and length of time making both AF and IS lenses, I’ll make a bet that there are more Canon AF and IS lenses being used by photographers than any other lens manufacturer. Is that “leading” enough for you?

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Sep 12, 2023 05:52:34   #
Capn_Dave
 
Back to the original post. If shooting a waterfall in daylight, Why not just mount the camera on a tripod and take a series of photos. Then stack the photos in post processing. You get the same effect with the silky water and a high megapixel photo for more detail.

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Sep 12, 2023 07:47:38   #
Jimmy T Loc: Virginia
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Come on. This is 21st century, market-leading EOS technology. It's been well over a decade of market leadership from Canon in the area of Image Stabilization. This leading Canon IS technology includes the 'smarts' to sense a stable tripod platform and not cause any problem. You're more likely to forget to turn IS back on than it will impact your long-exposure images. Passing around outdated suggestions and non-Canon best practices is what makes the internet such a cesspool.



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Sep 12, 2023 08:02:00   #
Jack 13088 Loc: Central NY
 
Amadeus wrote:
Oh boy. This isn’t going to end well. 😊

Well this is (or should be) embarrassing! Maybe you could try it both ways and process them identically through printing. Then view prints to see if a) you can tell the difference and b) which way is better. You do look at the final prints don’t you? Then tell us what you think!

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