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Aug 19, 2023 12:35:28   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
Truth Seeker wrote:
I'll quote what I want to quote when I want to quote it. At least until you commy's come up with another unconstitutional b__l s__t "regulation" to throw "we the people" in jail for it.


Damn, we're a little touchy this morning. Your response might have been appropriate if I had tried to tell you you could or couldn't do anything. I didn't.

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Aug 19, 2023 12:39:11   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
DaveO wrote:
My, what a lying c-sucker you continue to be! Lol, practice makes perfect!


Practice only makes pattern. He does appear to be getting better at what he is practicing, but that is nothing resembling perfect, or desirable.

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Aug 19, 2023 12:43:35   #
dirtpusher Loc: tulsa oklahoma
 
Truth Seeker wrote:
Only to a fool


Too your self as well

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Aug 19, 2023 12:51:15   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
thom w wrote:
Practice only makes pattern. He does appear to be getting better at what he is practicing, but that is nothing resembling perfect, or desirable.


I misspoke. Foolish of me to even acknowledge the little schmuck. Feeding him is what he joined the forum for.

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Aug 19, 2023 12:54:32   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
DaveO wrote:
I misspoke. Foolish of me to even acknowledge the little schmuck. Feeding him is what he joined the forum for.


I have to agree with that. Foolish of me as well.

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Aug 19, 2023 13:01:29   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
thom w wrote:
I have to agree with that. Foolish of me as well.


Meanwhile, back at ranch...we've had several caricatures come and go over the years...

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Aug 19, 2023 13:05:47   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
DaveO wrote:
Meanwhile, back at ranch...we've had several caricatures come and go over the years...


Yes but the place seems to have become more septic lately. It's become bad enough that I'm trying to mend my ways so as to not be part of the problem.

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Aug 19, 2023 13:14:53   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
thom w wrote:
Yes but the place seems to have become more septic lately. It's become bad enough that I'm trying to mend my ways so as to not be part of the problem.


I'm not overly concerned, having seen players come and go. When the climate becomes less than comfortable, it will be time to amuse myself with other endeavors. An occasional obnoxious miscreant is nothing new and even a bit amusing.

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Aug 19, 2023 13:24:37   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
DaveO wrote:
I'm not overly concerned, having seen players come and go. When the climate becomes less than comfortable, it will be time to amuse myself with other endeavors. An occasional obnoxious miscreant is nothing new and even a bit amusing.


Thank you, that seems like a good attitude.

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Aug 19, 2023 14:02:19   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
thom w wrote:
Thank you, that seems like a good attitude.


Lol, we've both got plenty of attitude to share!

Or not!

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Aug 19, 2023 16:01:48   #
kymarto Loc: Portland OR and Milan Italy
 
thom w wrote:
What do you thimk (or feel) should be happening?


From the beginning, I feel NATO should have honored their 1994 pledge not to move "an inch" eastward. Putin made it clear early on that Ukranian membership in NATO was a red line for Russia, and Ukraine could have traded with and had ties to Europe and the West without a military alliance with the West.

Consider turning it around, and Mexico announces that they are joining a defense alliance with China and will allow Chinese missiles and military hardware on the Mexico/US border. Think back to the Cuban Missile Crisis, and remember the Monroe Doctrine. Is there any doubt the US would not go to war to protect its borders and sovereignty?

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Aug 19, 2023 20:22:52   #
Effate Loc: El Dorado Hills, Ca.
 
kymarto wrote:
From the beginning, I feel NATO should have honored their 1994 pledge not to move "an inch" eastward. Putin made it clear early on that Ukranian membership in NATO was a red line for Russia, and Ukraine could have traded with and had ties to Europe and the West without a military alliance with the West.

Consider turning it around, and Mexico announces that they are joining a defense alliance with China and will allow Chinese missiles and military hardware on the Mexico/US border. Think back to the Cuban Missile Crisis, and remember the Monroe Doctrine. Is there any doubt the US would not go to war to protect its borders and sovereignty?
From the beginning, I feel NATO should have honore... (show quote)


When did the United States start showing any concern for its southern border and sovereignty?

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Aug 19, 2023 20:39:10   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
kymarto wrote:
From the beginning, I feel NATO should have honored their 1994 pledge not to move "an inch" eastward. Putin made it clear early on that Ukranian membership in NATO was a red line for Russia, and Ukraine could have traded with and had ties to Europe and the West without a military alliance with the West.

Consider turning it around, and Mexico announces that they are joining a defense alliance with China and will allow Chinese missiles and military hardware on the Mexico/US border. Think back to the Cuban Missile Crisis, and remember the Monroe Doctrine. Is there any doubt the US would not go to war to protect its borders and sovereignty?
From the beginning, I feel NATO should have honore... (show quote)


I generaly think you know more about this stuff than I do, but I don't get this one. How many countries should we have allowed Putin to take before doing anything? Do you feel history has treated Chamberlain unfairly? If you feel it's apples and oranges, please explain. I'll listen. It looks to me like Putin was looking for any excuse to invade Ukrain. Or, possibly he was going to invade Ukrain no matter what, and he found something to blaim it on. If not NATO I believe he would have found something else. As I said before you likely have a lot more background on this than I do, but I'd sure like you to explain. I know you don't mind criticizing this country when warranted, and I respect that, but this doesn't seem wrong to me. Tragic, and scarey, but the only reasonable choice. If I'm wrong, it won't be the first time. Whatever happened, I don't believe we would say Mexico had always belonged to us, and while there would likely be collateral civilian deathes, I'm sure we wouldn't intentionaly kill civillians. I look forward to hearing from me. I doubt you'll change my mine, but maybe.

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Aug 19, 2023 21:43:45   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
kymarto wrote:
From the beginning, I feel NATO should have honored their 1994 pledge not to move "an inch" eastward. Putin made it clear early on that Ukranian membership in NATO was a red line for Russia, and Ukraine could have traded with and had ties to Europe and the West without a military alliance with the West.

Consider turning it around, and Mexico announces that they are joining a defense alliance with China and will allow Chinese missiles and military hardware on the Mexico/US border. Think back to the Cuban Missile Crisis, and remember the Monroe Doctrine. Is there any doubt the US would not go to war to protect its borders and sovereignty?
From the beginning, I feel NATO should have honore... (show quote)



Sorry but I disagree on Putins motive . Putin is a Cold War KGB officer and saw this as an opportunity to restore “ mother Russia “ to part if it’s past glory and and for him to go down in history as the one who did it. At the time it may have worked given the state of Ukraine government when he took over Crimea.
He didn’t count on Zelenshy winning the presidency. After all s comedian …..


NATO was just an excuse

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Aug 20, 2023 02:21:24   #
kymarto Loc: Portland OR and Milan Italy
 
thom w wrote:
I generaly think you know more about this stuff than I do, but I don't get this one. How many countries should we have allowed Putin to take before doing anything? Do you feel history has treated Chamberlain unfairly? If you feel it's apples and oranges, please explain. I'll listen. It looks to me like Putin was looking for any excuse to invade Ukrain. Or, possibly he was going to invade Ukrain no matter what, and he found something to blaim it on. If not NATO I believe he would have found something else. As I said before you likely have a lot more background on this than I do, but I'd sure like you to explain. I know you don't mind criticizing this country when warranted, and I respect that, but this doesn't seem wrong to me. Tragic, and scarey, but the only reasonable choice. If I'm wrong, it won't be the first time. Whatever happened, I don't believe we would say Mexico had always belonged to us, and while there would likely be collateral civilian deathes, I'm sure we wouldn't intentionaly kill civillians. I look forward to hearing from me. I doubt you'll change my mine, but maybe.
I generaly think you know more about this stuff th... (show quote)


Putin showed no appetite for invading other countries before he was pushed into it by Western meddling, especially in 2014. The US, instead, has a long history of military actions and invasions of sovereign countries. Where is the outrage about that?

2 million civilian deaths in Vietnam, and 430,000 civilian deaths in US military operations since 9/11, just to put things into perspective.

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