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Aug 17, 2023 17:46:23   #
ahzwizerd2 Loc: Willowbrook, ca
 
Besides Adobe, i draw manually and photograph nature i need a program for each and organize them.
What program i can scan in hand drawing and also edit photographs.

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Aug 17, 2023 18:46:18   #
dsnoke Loc: North Georgia, USA
 
I don't know of any program that will both scan and edit. Once I scan something into an image file, then the program I use, Affinity Photo, will handle both. I use a HP all-in-one device. That will scan from a document (the paper drawing) to a TIF file, and Affinity Photo can edit that just fine. You should have the scanning software as part of whatever scanner (or printer/scanner) you use. You have a wide variety of program to choose from for editing: Adobe Photoshop, Adobe Lightroom, Gnu Image Maniuplation Program (GIMP), Darktable, Lightzone, Affinity Photo, Luminar NEO and a host of others.

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Aug 17, 2023 20:09:20   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
There are several sites telling you how to vectorize a raster image in Photoshop. Presumably you're using a vector image for drawing?

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Aug 18, 2023 06:51:54   #
Capn_Dave
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
There are several sites telling you how to vectorize a raster image in Photoshop. Presumably you're using a vector image for drawing?


Photoshop will do that. I use a WACOM graphics tablet. THere is a learning curve for sure

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Aug 18, 2023 09:45:21   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
ahzwizerd2 wrote:
Besides Adobe, i draw manually and photograph nature i need a program for each and organize them.
What program i can scan in hand drawing and also edit photographs.


Your scanner should come with a driver that saves files (preferably 16-bits-per-channel TIFFs). Those files should be imported into your file management and editing software.

Alternatively, you can copy all your drawings with a digital camera and a macro lens, using a copy stand with appropriate, color-correct LED lighting. In that case, working in raw mode will give you a file from which you can make very accurate reproductions.

I use and recommend Adobe Lightroom Classic as the hub of my digital workflow. It has the following functions:

The LIBRARY module imports LINKS to your files. Put your files in folders where you want them to STAY. Then run the Import routine. Each file will get a record in a database that stores everything you will subsequently "do" with it. The original IS NOT CHANGED. You work on a proxy copy, and every change you make is stored in the database (catalog, Adobe calls it). Additionally, you can have Lightroom save a sidecar file of those instructions.

LIBRARY also gives you advanced metadata features and lets you assign keywords to files, so you can sort them, rate, them, find them later...

The DEVELOP module is a parametric editor. It works best with raw files from digital cameras, but you can edit TIFFs and JPEGs and other popular formats as well (although not quite as flexibly). You can alter exposure, black level, shadows, highlights, white levels, contrast, saturation, color temperature, sharpness, noise, and many, many more parameters. You can also do simple spotting and masking, cropping to freeform or preset aspect ratios, red-eye reduction, and work with curves. It makes black-and-white conversions and does color grading. There are numerous tools for working with detail. You can even add "grain" if you like that.

DEVELOP works in a wide gamut color space that preserves all the detail, dynamic range, and color captured by your camera. It allows "soft proofing" in the color space you intend to use for output (to disk, web, printer, or other application). To reap the benefits of this, you should work on a properly calibrated and profiled monitor made for graphic arts and photography (NOT gaming or office use).

DEVELOP also has an Export function that is rather full featured. There are endless ways you can "process your edited files to disk," essentially getting output from Lightroom without changing the original files. You can re-name, send files to specific destinations, serially number, strip metadata, use specific file types and output profiles, re-size several different ways, apply watermarks and copyright information, and more!

MAP lets you turn stored geo-coordinates applied by your camera into locations on a map.

BOOK lets you lay out a photo book that you can have a third party lab produce for you.

SLIDESHOW displays a set of images you select for a simple presentation to clients. It is most often used for clients to pick images they want you to finish or print.

PRINT is a full featured print layout and printer controlling program you can use with your locally-connected printer and its printer driver. But you can also create files for lab printing. It also allows soft proofing, so you can get a final check of profile effects on the output before committing it to paper.

WEB lets you upload your finished images to Adobe Cloud for storage and sharing.

Best of all, Lightroom Classic comes with the full version of Adobe Photoshop, a full-featured bitmap editor with advanced features that have been developed since the late 1980s. It also comes with another version of Lightroom that is web-enabled, so you can bounce images from your computer to your phone or tablet. Finally, it comes with Adobe Bridge, a more conventional file management and viewing tool that includes Adobe Raw, the same file conversion tool that is part of Lightroom, Lightroom Classic, and Photoshop.

This entire package is ten bucks a month, or twenty with more online storage space in the Adobe Cloud. It provides an amazing amount of power for very little money.

A lot of folks don't understand subscription software, but those of us who've used Adobe software since the 1980s know that it is worth it for what we do. The fact is, no one has ever "bought" such software. We LICENSE it under specific conditions outlined in the EULA (end user license agreement) that you agree to with a checkbox in the installer program (if you don't agree, you can't install the software!)

The old software sales model gave you a box with a disk and a manual for a one-time fee. When the next major version came out, you had to shell out $100 to $500 for the upgrade, or stick with the old version. The subscription keeps you up to date with the latest version that will run on your hardware and operating system.

Nothing about computers is "forever." Operating system upgrades can render your hardware obsolete. Software upgrades might not install and run on your old system or computer. So expect periodic change...

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Aug 18, 2023 10:05:22   #
bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA
 
burkphoto wrote:
Your scanner should come with a driver that saves files (preferably 16-bits-per-channel TIFFs). Those files should be imported into your file management and editing software.

Alternatively, you can copy all your drawings with a digital camera and a macro lens, using a copy stand with appropriate, color-correct LED lighting. In that case, working in raw mode will give you a file from which you can make very accurate reproductions.

I use and recommend Adobe Lightroom Classic as the hub of my digital workflow. It has the following functions:

The LIBRARY module imports LINKS to your files. Put your files in folders where you want them to STAY. Then run the Import routine. Each file will get a record in a database that stores everything you will subsequently "do" with it. The original IS NOT CHANGED. You work on a proxy copy, and every change you make is stored in the database (catalog, Adobe calls it). Additionally, you can have Lightroom save a sidecar file of those instructions.

LIBRARY also gives you advanced metadata features and lets you assign keywords to files, so you can sort them, rate, them, find them later...

The DEVELOP module is a parametric editor. It works best with raw files from digital cameras, but you can edit TIFFs and JPEGs and other popular formats as well (although not quite as flexibly). You can alter exposure, black level, shadows, highlights, white levels, contrast, saturation, color temperature, sharpness, noise, and many, many more parameters. You can also do simple spotting and masking, cropping to freeform or preset aspect ratios, red-eye reduction, and work with curves. It makes black-and-white conversions and does color grading. There are numerous tools for working with detail. You can even add "grain" if you like that.

DEVELOP works in a wide gamut color space that preserves all the detail, dynamic range, and color captured by your camera. It allows "soft proofing" in the color space you intend to use for output (to disk, web, printer, or other application). To reap the benefits of this, you should work on a properly calibrated and profiled monitor made for graphic arts and photography (NOT gaming or office use).

DEVELOP also has an Export function that is rather full featured. There are endless ways you can "process your edited files to disk," essentially getting output from Lightroom without changing the original files. You can re-name, send files to specific destinations, serially number, strip metadata, use specific file types and output profiles, re-size several different ways, apply watermarks and copyright information, and more!

MAP lets you turn stored geo-coordinates applied by your camera into locations on a map.

BOOK lets you lay out a photo book that you can have a third party lab produce for you.

SLIDESHOW displays a set of images you select for a simple presentation to clients. It is most often used for clients to pick images they want you to finish or print.

PRINT is a full featured print layout and printer controlling program you can use with your locally-connected printer and its printer driver. But you can also create files for lab printing. It also allows soft proofing, so you can get a final check of profile effects on the output before committing it to paper.

WEB lets you upload your finished images to Adobe Cloud for storage and sharing.

Best of all, Lightroom Classic comes with the full version of Adobe Photoshop, a full-featured bitmap editor with advanced features that have been developed since the late 1980s. It also comes with another version of Lightroom that is web-enabled, so you can bounce images from your computer to your phone or tablet. Finally, it comes with Adobe Bridge, a more conventional file management and viewing tool that includes Adobe Raw, the same file conversion tool that is part of Lightroom, Lightroom Classic, and Photoshop.

This entire package is ten bucks a month, or twenty with more online storage space in the Adobe Cloud. It provides an amazing amount of power for very little money.

A lot of folks don't understand subscription software, but those of us who've used Adobe software since the 1980s know that it is worth it for what we do. The fact is, no one has ever "bought" such software. We LICENSE it under specific conditions outlined in the EULA (end user license agreement) that you agree to with a checkbox in the installer program (if you don't agree, you can't install the software!)

The old software sales model gave you a box with a disk and a manual for a one-time fee. When the next major version came out, you had to shell out $100 to $500 for the upgrade, or stick with the old version. The subscription keeps you up to date with the latest version that will run on your hardware and operating system.

Nothing about computers is "forever." Operating system upgrades can render your hardware obsolete. Software upgrades might not install and run on your old system or computer. So expect periodic change...
Your scanner should come with a driver that saves ... (show quote)


You are generous Bill! Writing such a complete and succinct explanation of the Lightroom/Photoshop system must have taken time. When I looked it up yesterday, the internets suggests Adobe has 26 MILLION subscribers to their variety of plans.

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Aug 18, 2023 11:24:36   #
mikegreenwald Loc: Illinois
 
burkphoto wrote:
Your scanner should come with a driver that saves files (preferably 16-bits-per-channel TIFFs). Those files should be imported into your file management and editing software.

Alternatively, you can copy all your drawings with a digital camera and a macro lens, using a copy stand with appropriate, color-correct LED lighting. In that case, working in raw mode will give you a file from which you can make very accurate reproductions.

I use and recommend Adobe Lightroom Classic as the hub of my digital workflow. It has the following functions:

The LIBRARY module imports LINKS to your files. Put your files in folders where you want them to STAY. Then run the Import routine. Each file will get a record in a database that stores everything you will subsequently "do" with it. The original IS NOT CHANGED. You work on a proxy copy, and every change you make is stored in the database (catalog, Adobe calls it). Additionally, you can have Lightroom save a sidecar file of those instructions.

LIBRARY also gives you advanced metadata features and lets you assign keywords to files, so you can sort them, rate, them, find them later...

The DEVELOP module is a parametric editor. It works best with raw files from digital cameras, but you can edit TIFFs and JPEGs and other popular formats as well (although not quite as flexibly). You can alter exposure, black level, shadows, highlights, white levels, contrast, saturation, color temperature, sharpness, noise, and many, many more parameters. You can also do simple spotting and masking, cropping to freeform or preset aspect ratios, red-eye reduction, and work with curves. It makes black-and-white conversions and does color grading. There are numerous tools for working with detail. You can even add "grain" if you like that.

DEVELOP works in a wide gamut color space that preserves all the detail, dynamic range, and color captured by your camera. It allows "soft proofing" in the color space you intend to use for output (to disk, web, printer, or other application). To reap the benefits of this, you should work on a properly calibrated and profiled monitor made for graphic arts and photography (NOT gaming or office use).

DEVELOP also has an Export function that is rather full featured. There are endless ways you can "process your edited files to disk," essentially getting output from Lightroom without changing the original files. You can re-name, send files to specific destinations, serially number, strip metadata, use specific file types and output profiles, re-size several different ways, apply watermarks and copyright information, and more!

MAP lets you turn stored geo-coordinates applied by your camera into locations on a map.

BOOK lets you lay out a photo book that you can have a third party lab produce for you.

SLIDESHOW displays a set of images you select for a simple presentation to clients. It is most often used for clients to pick images they want you to finish or print.

PRINT is a full featured print layout and printer controlling program you can use with your locally-connected printer and its printer driver. But you can also create files for lab printing. It also allows soft proofing, so you can get a final check of profile effects on the output before committing it to paper.

WEB lets you upload your finished images to Adobe Cloud for storage and sharing.

Best of all, Lightroom Classic comes with the full version of Adobe Photoshop, a full-featured bitmap editor with advanced features that have been developed since the late 1980s. It also comes with another version of Lightroom that is web-enabled, so you can bounce images from your computer to your phone or tablet. Finally, it comes with Adobe Bridge, a more conventional file management and viewing tool that includes Adobe Raw, the same file conversion tool that is part of Lightroom, Lightroom Classic, and Photoshop.

This entire package is ten bucks a month, or twenty with more online storage space in the Adobe Cloud. It provides an amazing amount of power for very little money.

A lot of folks don't understand subscription software, but those of us who've used Adobe software since the 1980s know that it is worth it for what we do. The fact is, no one has ever "bought" such sofytware. We LICENSE it under specific conditions outlined in the EULA (end user license agreement) that you agree to with a checkbox in the installer program (if you don't agree, you can't install the software!)

The old software sales model gave you a box with a disk and a manual for a one-time fee. When the next major version came out, you had to shell out $100 to $500 for the upgrade, or stick with the old version. The subscription keeps you up to date with the latest version that will run on your hardware and operating system.

Nothing about computers is "forever." Operating system upgrades can render your hardware obsolete. Software upgrades might not install and run on hank you!your old system or computer. So expect periodic change...
Your scanner should come with a driver that saves ... (show quote)


Exceptional and concise summary! Thank you!

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Aug 18, 2023 11:32:34   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
I use ‘gimp’ - the price {$0} is good - I have other uses for the money. I started off with a free version of photoshop, and the controls are comparable.

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Aug 18, 2023 12:47:45   #
BobHartung Loc: Bettendorf, IA
 
ahzwizerd2 wrote:
Besides Adobe, i draw manually and photograph nature i need a program for each and organize them.
What program i can scan in hand drawing and also edit photographs.


You can use Lightroom Classic as a storage device. To scan I use a Fujitsu ScanSnap which is great for paper/images/or whatever you want to get into your computer. 8.5x11" is the largest paper it will take.

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Aug 18, 2023 13:14:28   #
Steved3604
 
If you decide to scan in the drawings look at VueScan. Best scanning software I've found. The suggested use of a good digital camera/lens/lighting to "scan" in the drawings will probably work well, also. Test the suggested methods and pick what looks best to you, the artist.

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Aug 18, 2023 14:13:35   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
Bill writes an excellent description. I have only a couple things to comment on. I'm not adding anything because his description is pretty complete, but there are a couple things I would like to emphasize.

burkphoto wrote:
... The original IS NOT CHANGED. You work on a proxy copy, and every change you make is stored in the database (catalog, Adobe calls it). Additionally, you can have Lightroom save a sidecar file of those instructions...


I highly recommend enabling the sidecar files. IF you have a sidecar file in the same folder as your original, then IF your catalog gets corrupted and you need to re-import a file, having the sidecar file available will restore your edits when you restore the original file. That will save you TONS of work. Hopefully it won't happen, but it's always good to have insurance against mishaps.

burkphoto wrote:
...MAP lets you turn stored geo-coordinates applied by your camera into locations on a map.


It also enables you to find the location on a map and store those coordinates in the Lightroom metadata so it's available in the metadata on the exported image (if you save the metadata with the image) even if your camera did not have the GPS coordinates available. (Of course the accuracy of those coordinates is completely on you).

burkphoto wrote:
...Nothing about computers is "forever." Operating system upgrades can render your hardware obsolete. Software upgrades might not install and run on your old system or computer. So expect periodic change...


(Emphasis added).

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Aug 18, 2023 14:25:10   #
stan0301 Loc: Colorado
 
But read Scott Kelby’s book - it helps hugely

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Aug 18, 2023 15:26:40   #
mikegreenwald Loc: Illinois
 
stan0301 wrote:
But read Scott Kelby’s book - it helps hugely


Which of his books?

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Aug 18, 2023 15:39:30   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
Bill writes an excellent description. I have only a couple things to comment on. I'm not adding anything because his description is pretty complete, but there are a couple things I would like to emphasize.



(Emphasis added).


Wow, thanks, DirtFarmer!

My sidecars saved my work back in December. I won't bore you with the details, but the sidecar files were invaluable. They are not big... around 9-10 kilobytes each.

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Aug 18, 2023 17:28:30   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
burkphoto wrote:
Wow, thanks, DirtFarmer!

My sidecars saved my work back in December. I won't bore you with the details, but the sidecar files were invaluable. They are not big... around 9-10 kilobytes each.


I have had the fortune to have had sidecar files available on several occasions for the same reason and I am occasionally checking to see that they're there and the settings didn't get changed accidentally. Many people don't like sidecar files because they double the number of files you have to manage. But they're simple to manage since they have the same name as the image file, but a different extension. If you need to separate them you can set your file system to sort by extension. That will put all your image files together.

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