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Aug 5, 2023 15:51:39   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
Sorry! For some reason, my Quote Reply is not working.

If I did not address the OP question to YOUR standards- please accept my apologies. I tried my best! The OP can take it or leave it!

I did mention that tenting was an option.

User ID. I and many others can do without your personal attacks. Your insults and tirades do not help this OP or anyone else.

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Aug 5, 2023 16:07:06   #
User ID
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
Sorry! For some reason, my Quote Reply is not working.

If I did not address the OP question to YOUR standards- please accept my apologies. I tried my best! The OP can take it or leave it!

I did mention that tenting was an option.

User ID. I and many others can do without your personal attacks. Your insults and tirades do not help this OP or anyone else.

"Tirade" ??!? I like that word. "Insult" ? Insults are in the minds of the guilty.

Youve helped the OP exactly zero much, despite the space you needed to do that. As for useful practical advice to the OP, I have provided that while you have not. Pretty simple.

I dont weave my resume into my posts. My professional expertise is on a take it or leave it basis. Try it and it works, or reject it and its a users loss, not mine. And if someone posts an even better idea, I dont knock it.

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Aug 5, 2023 16:42:42   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
User ID wrote:
"Tirade" ??!? I like that word. "Insult" ? Insults are in the minds of the guilty.

You've helped the OP zero much, despite the space you needed to do that. As for useful practical advice to the OP, I have provided that while you have not. Pretty simple.

I dont weave my resume into my posts. My professional expertise is on a take-it-or-leave-it basis. Try it and it works, or reject it and its a user's loss, not mine. And if someone posts an even better idea, I dont knock it.
"Tirade" ??!? I like that word. "In... (show quote)


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I have communicated with OP and he has no complaints.

I will not engage with you on this or any other thread.

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Aug 5, 2023 17:49:06   #
User ID
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
In slang, a troll is (blah blah blah ..... )

I will not engage with you on this or any other thread.

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Aug 6, 2023 01:51:11   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
Wallen wrote:
.....if a shiny object, like a mirrored bottle (bottega as an example) could be photographed better with a tilt shift so that the dark lens reflection would be way off to one side....


Referring specifically to bottles, they are typically vertical cylinders. When that's the case you won't avoid the reflection by moving sideways, either with or without a tilt-shift lens. However, using a tilt-shift lens allows you to move vertically, which in the case of bottles will give you the opportunity to avoid the reflection of the lens/camera.

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Aug 6, 2023 07:56:04   #
BE KIND
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
In slang, a troll is a person who posts or makes inflammatory, insincere, digressive,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages online (such as in social media, a newsgroup, a forum, a chat room, an online video game) or in real life, with the intent of provoking others into displaying emotional responses,[2] or manipulating others' perception, thus acting as a bully or a provocateur. The behavior is typically for the troll's amusement, or to achieve a specific result such as disrupting a rival's online activities or purposefully causing confusion or harm to other people.[3]

I have communicated with OP and he has no complaints.

I will not engage with you on this or any other thread.
In slang, a troll is a person who posts or makes i... (show quote)


Your posts are ALWAYS right on the money! I don't know what USER is "USING" but he really needs to stop and/or get some psychiatric help to find a better way to amuse himself.

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Aug 6, 2023 09:16:32   #
Charles 46277 Loc: Fulton County, KY
 
User ID wrote:
Ever more pedantic schpeiling of your resume while (as always) neglecting the OPs actual situation. Over and over and over again. Gets sooooo tiresome :-(

Why dont you just assemble your digital illustrated autobiography and simply post a link to that in answer to every technical query on UHH. You could easily assemble it almost entirely by cut and paste from your archive of repetitive posts on UHH.


Thanks for your kind words. I do try to talk about photography rather than personalities.

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Aug 6, 2023 12:31:48   #
Artcameraman Loc: Springfield NH
 
Pick up a book on View Cameras, everything will be explained.

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Aug 6, 2023 14:02:57   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
There are many ways to approach any photographic problem. Obviously, there is usually not only ONE way to do any given job.

In this case, I offered a suggestion that is based on the assumption that the OP is not going to go out a purchase a specialized and costly lens, do a major conversion on this camera to enable swings, shifts, and tilts, or go back to using a view camera. Even if he decides to do any of those things, I offered advice on how he could attempt to do what he is trying to do with his existing equipment and some lighting strategies.

As for my "personality" or "resume"- I have been posting here for a few good years and have never taken to bragging. I have seldom or never mentioned my level of education or specific experience or any affiliation, awards, or degree I hold. I never really presented myself as a great "artist" or guru. It just happens that photography is my day job. Believe it or not, I approach it more as a trade- nothing glamourous- just like a plumber, electrician, or carpenter. I serve my clients and get the work done! Wahtever I advise is based on practical experience, not on a book I read years ago or some obscure concept. I don't tell folks to "Google" it or to find a "YouTube" tutorial. If I have nothing to offer, I just do not post.

Think about this- When someone launches a personal attack or posts a vitriolic statement he is not only insulting the person this is directed at. He is insulting everyone's intelligence. A FORUM is a place where various ideas are exchanged and folks are intelligent enough to separate the wheat from the chaff and make up their own minds witht bullying, coursion, or disruption.

I have to admit that MY bad habits die hard but I have to find a better source of entertainment and begin to reduce my screen time. 5-days a week of photography is enough. The pandemic has subsided, the gym is open again and I have a lot of music to listen to. Listening to TV news is totally discouraging and depressing. I although I am still working every weekday, I am in fact, an old man with a gray beard and I want to enjoy whatever time I have left on this planet, without all this unnecessary conflict.

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Aug 6, 2023 16:29:51   #
Artcameraman Loc: Springfield NH
 
If you are referring to my comment I am insulted. My suggestion is purely academic. If you don't see any value in reading about old technologies and applying them to new problems then you my friend are the insulator!

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Aug 6, 2023 17:00:07   #
User ID
 
BE KIND wrote:
Your posts are ALWAYS right on the money! I don't know what USER is "USING" but he really needs to stop and/or get some psychiatric help .....

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Aug 6, 2023 18:59:24   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
Artcameraman wrote:
If you are referring to my comment I am insulted. My suggestion is purely academic. If you don't see any value in reading about old technologies and applying them to new problems then you my friend are the insulator!


View camer operat is no "old technology" there are meny in use. There is a renewed interest in large format and film photograher and camer movents, (tilts and shifts etc. are still applicable if one has the equipment. I have many books on view camer technology and wor be happy to recommend one.

Now, as to insulting one another, I may disagree with you on any number of issues but that does not mean that I hate you, dislike you, or mean to insult you. How can I insult anyone I don't even know? All we are here is a name or "handle" on a screen with total anonymity! All I can disagree with is a remark or a conclusion. I'd bet if we were, in person, at a club or association meeting, we could easily agree or agree to disagree, shake hands, and share a drink.

If anyone is interested in a quick outline of tilts and shifts with a large format camer- please find a copy attached. This does not mention reflection avoidance but I'l check and see if there is anything in my small collection of Grossbild Magazines- The few I saved are in German but the diagmms, if any, might help.

I still have some of my large format camers and lenses- anyone care to buy them?









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Aug 7, 2023 09:58:28   #
BE KIND
 
and there it is! I rest my case.

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Aug 7, 2023 10:42:31   #
Charles 46277 Loc: Fulton County, KY
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
View camer operat is no "old technology" there are meny in use. There is a renewed interest in large format and film photograher and camer movents, (tilts and shifts etc. are still applicable if one has the equipment. I have many books on view camer technology and wor be happy to recommend one.

Now, as to insulting one another, I may disagree with you on any number of issues but that does not mean that I hate you, dislike you, or mean to insult you. How can I insult anyone I don't even know? All we are here is a name or "handle" on a screen with total anonymity! All I can disagree with is a remark or a conclusion. I'd bet if we were, in person, at a club or association meeting, we could easily agree or agree to disagree, shake hands, and share a drink.

If anyone is interested in a quick outline of tilts and shifts with a large format camer- please find a copy attached. This does not mention reflection avoidance but I'l check and see if there is anything in my small collection of Grossbild Magazines- The few I saved are in German but the diagmms, if any, might help.

I still have some of my large format camers and lenses- anyone care to buy them?
View camer operat is no "old technology"... (show quote)


E.L., you should have no trouble selling that beauty (Linhof) on eBay. I sold off all my LF stuff except a couple of them, and some of them brought a profit over what I paid long ago. I donated an 8x10 Linhof with lenses, etc., to my alma mater and they were excited to get it in the art department (for instruction, experimental work, and yes--taking pictures).

But back to the first question, if I recall it, which was about unwanted reflections in photos.

First, consider whether the reflection can be used to your advantage. It is a common device (still often effective) to feature reflections in a picture, such as a mountain reflected in a lake, or a person looking out a window in which the mirror image of the person is part of the picture.

Second, consider whether the image (if small) can be PhotoShopped out, or perhaps something else Photoshopped in, in its place.

Third, consider altering the light--diffuse light does not reflect as specular light does. This may also rely on moving around or waiting until the light source is right. If the light is from above and does not light the reflected elements, the reflection goes away.)

Fourth, a view camera with adapter really can center a subject from a different angle, in which the reflection is avoided or changed.

Fifth, the reflective surface might be covered or changed so as not to be reflective. It might be as simple as wiping the surface with a piece of Ivory soap, or oil, or covering up the unwelcome thing with something appropriate
such as a cloth or curtain.

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Aug 7, 2023 11:01:13   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
Charles 46277 wrote:
E.L., you should have no trouble selling that beauty (Linhof) on eBay. I sold off all my LF stuff except a couple of them, and some of them brought a profit over what I paid long ago. I donated an 8x10 Linhof with lenses, etc., to my alma mater and they were excited to get it in the art department (for instruction, experimental work, and yes--taking pictures).

But back to the first question, if I recall it, which was about unwanted reflections in photos.

First, consider whether the reflection can be used to your advantage. It is a common device (still often effective) to feature reflections in a picture, such as a mountain reflected in a lake, or a person looking out a window in which the mirror image of the person is part of the picture.

Second, consider whether the image (if small) can be PhotoShopped out, or perhaps something else Photoshopped in, in its place.

Third, consider altering the light--diffuse light does not reflect as specular light does. This may also rely on moving around or waiting until the light source is right. If the light is from above and does not light the reflected elements, the reflection goes away.)

Fourth, a view camera with adapter really can center a subject from a different angle, in which the reflection is avoided or changed.

Fifth, the reflective surface might be covered or changed so as not to be reflective. It might be as simple as wiping the surface with a piece of Ivory soap, or oil, or covering up the unwelcome thing with something appropriate
such as a cloth or curtain.
E.L., you should have no trouble selling that beau... (show quote)



All good strategies.

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