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Jul 31, 2023 12:21:33   #
Canisdirus
 
Who do you want to date is the question...

Canon is alluring but their history indicates they will be a bit greedy on the glass side of things.

Nikon is the better date...in the long run.

Both systems don't have enough glass...but as they are coming down the line...Nikon looks like the sweeter date.

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Jul 31, 2023 12:26:50   #
photoman43
 
This may be a repeat, but if you want comprehensive info on the Nikon Z system go here:

https://www.zsystemuser.com/

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Jul 31, 2023 12:31:59   #
Desert Gecko Loc: desert southwest, USA
 
MattMPhoto wrote:
if you would have read what I wrote I said that I already narrowed it down to 2 between the Nikon and Canon.


No need for attitude. I too thought it odd that you weren't considering Sony, the only system with some 300 native-mount, full-frame lenses to choose from.

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Jul 31, 2023 12:43:01   #
Mac Loc: Pittsburgh, Philadelphia now Hernando Co. Fl.
 
Desert Gecko wrote:
No need for attitude. I too thought it odd that you weren't considering Sony, the only system with some 300 native-mount, full-frame lenses to choose from.


I don’t see it as attitude. He stated specifically that he had narrowed it down to the two options he mentioned, meaning he had eliminated all other brands and systems. To offer up something he had all ready rejected is nothing more than superfluous BS. No matter how surprised you were that the brand you use was considered and rejected.

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Jul 31, 2023 13:23:55   #
M1911 Loc: DFW Metromess
 
I would seriously look at the Z8 and save some money over the Z9.

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Jul 31, 2023 13:24:14   #
Boone Loc: Groundhog Town USA
 
Bill_de wrote:
It doesn't matter how old your lenses are since you said you want to avoid adapters. So, you will be starting from scratch. Between Nikon and Canon, flip a coin. This thread will probably go on for pages with folks happy with either.

Since they are both good systems each tries to outdo the other. So if you can get to a camera shop and handle both brands, that is the way to go. Don't choose based on what somebody else likes or by what is in stock first. You don't have to decide today or tomorrow, you can wait until Thursday!

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It doesn't matter how old your lenses are since yo... (show quote)


I couldn't agree with you more, as you have said it as well as it can be said! No matter what someone may add, I think you covered the Op's question as completely as one can. "NOW...I HOPE HE FOLLOWS YOUR ADVISE"!!!

JM2C WORTH,

Thanks,Boone.

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Jul 31, 2023 14:00:21   #
Physlab Loc: Portland, OR
 
MattMPhoto wrote:
Hi All,
Well I thought this day would never come, but it's finally happening for me on two different fronts. First, I'm going to be leaving my job with the school bus company I've been working for and moving into freelance photography full-time. Second, one of my drivers that I oversaw recently passed away and he named me the beneficiary of his estate and investments etc after his wife divorced him 3 years ago and they had no children. Before he was a school bus driver he was a Colonel in the US Army and always did what he could for the "little man" as he called them and he always inspired me to take my photography to the next level. If he knew that I did a sports charter or did some other photoshoot of some sort he was the first person to critique my photos second only to my mother. So I'm taking a lot of the money and donating it to various organizations that work with youth and help them to become everything they can be. Next since he was always one to help me with my photography I'm going to do everything I can to upgrade my gear. Now this is where I need some advice. I'm doing a lot of sports photography(high school football, college basketball, baseball, and softball mostly) so I'm doing a lot of low-light high ISO photography, and I'm also doing a lot of wildlife photography. I've narrowed it down to Canon or Nikon's mirrorless systems(Canon R3 or Nikon Z9) but I keep going back and forth between them both. I want to shoot with as much mirrorless glass as I can(Z mount or RF mount) and not have to adapt as much. Price isn't so much a factor as I'm going to have the money to buy whatever it takes. What are the pros and cons to these systems? I've been watching everything I can on them on Youtube and other media outlets but I still would like the opinions of those people out there using them in real world cases on an everyday basis. Ideally I'd love to stick with Nikon, but my lenses are 15-20 years old and they weigh a ton and then some, and everywhere I look their RF super telephoto top of the line glass is out of stock with no sign of being in stock again any time soon. That's not the case with the Canon glass it's all in stock. I just don't know which way to go. Please help?
Hi All, br Well I thought this day would never com... (show quote)


Matt,

Since you mentioned sports photography you might take a look at this website managed by a good friend of mine. Check out his Karting photographs as well as his New York images. John uses Sony equipment. His Sony body is not top of the line, but his lens are the best Sony has to offer. BTW, he is not a full-time professional photographer, but a serious amateur. I don't mention Sony to confuse you, but to add to your body of knowledge.

https://www.johnfitzgeraldimages.com/

Lowell

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Jul 31, 2023 14:36:52   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
Canisdirus wrote:
Who do you want to date is the question...

Canon is alluring but their history indicates they will be a bit greedy on the glass side of things.

Nikon is the better date...in the long run.

Both systems don't have enough glass...but as they are coming down the line...Nikon looks like the sweeter date.



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Jul 31, 2023 15:38:20   #
aphelps Loc: Central Ohio
 
pmorin wrote:
First thing… please use the quote reply button below the responses so that we know to whom you are responding.
Thanks.
Next…. As far as quality goes, it doesn’t really matter which system you’re using. Some will say one has better something or other that the other doesn’t have. But Nikon and Canon systems will always work well and give you fabulous results. My advice would be to buy into the system that has a good supply of equipment and is readily available. I would hate to have a project to complete and not be able to get the equipment I need to do my best work.
First thing… please use the quote reply button bel... (show quote)


I believe he addressed it to "all".

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Jul 31, 2023 16:41:33   #
Ron Seher
 
I'm 75 and just started becoming a serious amateur. I suffered from the same dilemma but didn't have the windfall you have experienced. At my age with not having the steadiest hands nor best eyesight, I focused on "focus." Meaning, which camera system would give me the fastest, most reliable focus with mostly handheld shots. I don't shoot sports and have no interest in doing so but I do shoot below a 30th of second frequently. I wanted the most stabilization I could get both in lens and in camera, that I could get. I watched a lot of commentary on Nikon and Canon. Over the last few years I have progressively stepped up in my equipment. I traded in my current system and decided to go with the Canon EOS R5 along with 3 RF lenses. I'm happy! It's a fantastic camera, for me, but can't say how it would work for sports photography. Bottom line...pick the system that "speaks to you, that you feel good about." You wont go wrong and you can't walk down two roads at the same time. Get what you like and learn it inside and out...up and down. Then you'll be happy!

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Jul 31, 2023 16:59:04   #
trbeason Loc: Otsego, Michigan
 
Hey, first of all good luck and have fun. I do photography for my local high school, free to social media and cheap for hire. There’s an older guy that’s been doing it for years and years there and for a local university, etc. He swears by Nikon and can afford the best. He believed Nikon does better in low light situations (for some reason) which as you stated is what a lot of HS sports is. I can not afford the best but have been very happy with Canon. I just upgraded my lens and wow! I actually got a Tamron but its photos are incredible, beautiful!!! I think the lens makes all the difference. One other thing to think about is frames per second. My cheaper camera only shoots 6 fps. And there are times that I wish I could’ve gotten more, but the newer cameras are advertising 40 fps. Well, if you’re shouting wildlife, I can see that. But if you’re taking 200-400 “shots” per game/event how many pictures do you really want to look through? Hopefully there are some options on those cameras. The guy who I shoot with who swears by Nikon, never really compared his pics with Canon, and comparing pics is really what you’re talking about. While Canon and Nikon are a like in quality in most if not all ways, they are different animals and can not interchange at all. They operate backwards from each other in many ways, just to be different. If you already have some canon equipment and lenses, GO WITH CANON. Go with wash you’re used to, plus You’ll want back up equipment…

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Jul 31, 2023 17:21:52   #
R3Dude Loc: Spokane WA
 
MattMPhoto wrote:
Hi All,
Well I thought this day would never come, but it's finally happening for me on two different fronts. First, I'm going to be leaving my job with the school bus company I've been working for and moving into freelance photography full-time. Second, one of my drivers that I oversaw recently passed away and he named me the beneficiary of his estate and investments etc after his wife divorced him 3 years ago and they had no children. Before he was a school bus driver he was a Colonel in the US Army and always did what he could for the "little man" as he called them and he always inspired me to take my photography to the next level. If he knew that I did a sports charter or did some other photoshoot of some sort he was the first person to critique my photos second only to my mother. So I'm taking a lot of the money and donating it to various organizations that work with youth and help them to become everything they can be. Next since he was always one to help me with my photography I'm going to do everything I can to upgrade my gear. Now this is where I need some advice. I'm doing a lot of sports photography(high school football, college basketball, baseball, and softball mostly) so I'm doing a lot of low-light high ISO photography, and I'm also doing a lot of wildlife photography. I've narrowed it down to Canon or Nikon's mirrorless systems(Canon R3 or Nikon Z9) but I keep going back and forth between them both. I want to shoot with as much mirrorless glass as I can(Z mount or RF mount) and not have to adapt as much. Price isn't so much a factor as I'm going to have the money to buy whatever it takes. What are the pros and cons to these systems? I've been watching everything I can on them on Youtube and other media outlets but I still would like the opinions of those people out there using them in real world cases on an everyday basis. Ideally I'd love to stick with Nikon, but my lenses are 15-20 years old and they weigh a ton and then some, and everywhere I look their RF super telephoto top of the line glass is out of stock with no sign of being in stock again any time soon. That's not the case with the Canon glass it's all in stock. I just don't know which way to go. Please help?
Hi All, br Well I thought this day would never com... (show quote)


Having being a long time user of Canon products...as well as mirrorless choices.....I will give my 32 cents worth.

I have progressed up Canon for over 15 years....I was one of the first to get a R3 when it was launched (was using the 1Dx3 bodies). Overall the R3 was almost an identical body to the the 1Dx3...but it was slightly shorter. As I was learning the new menu system....I found that overall it was just a glorified 1Dx3, so it was very easy for me to use it in short time. Over all it was what it was to be.....but "to me" I could not handle the 20+ icons on the view screen. I spent an hour with a Canon rep....he couldn't fix it either. I tried social media....still no resolved luck. I was having major hate issues with Canon due to where we would delete icons off the view screen.....but they would come back on their own issue.....one here....one there....etc. Overall....my mind kept reminding me that for the very few "new" menu items....the R3 and 1Dx3 were twins. Due to not able to control my view screen....I sold the R3 and went back to 1Dx3 bodies. Here I am over one year now and don't regret it at all. The quality...consistency....performance of the 1Dx3's has never had a hiccup. I'm sure you will most likely have a great experience IF you get the R3...since I'm sure that Canon has made advancements on the menu system. Either system will be one of the best you'll ever have, and will not have any regrets on either one.

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Jul 31, 2023 18:55:40   #
FrumCA
 
MattMPhoto wrote:
Hi All,
Well I thought this day would never come, but it's finally happening for me on two different fronts. First, I'm going to be leaving my job with the school bus company I've been working for and moving into freelance photography full-time. Second, one of my drivers that I oversaw recently passed away and he named me the beneficiary of his estate and investments etc after his wife divorced him 3 years ago and they had no children. Before he was a school bus driver he was a Colonel in the US Army and always did what he could for the "little man" as he called them and he always inspired me to take my photography to the next level. If he knew that I did a sports charter or did some other photoshoot of some sort he was the first person to critique my photos second only to my mother. So I'm taking a lot of the money and donating it to various organizations that work with youth and help them to become everything they can be. Next since he was always one to help me with my photography I'm going to do everything I can to upgrade my gear. Now this is where I need some advice. I'm doing a lot of sports photography(high school football, college basketball, baseball, and softball mostly) so I'm doing a lot of low-light high ISO photography, and I'm also doing a lot of wildlife photography. I've narrowed it down to Canon or Nikon's mirrorless systems(Canon R3 or Nikon Z9) but I keep going back and forth between them both. I want to shoot with as much mirrorless glass as I can(Z mount or RF mount) and not have to adapt as much. Price isn't so much a factor as I'm going to have the money to buy whatever it takes. What are the pros and cons to these systems? I've been watching everything I can on them on Youtube and other media outlets but I still would like the opinions of those people out there using them in real world cases on an everyday basis. Ideally I'd love to stick with Nikon, but my lenses are 15-20 years old and they weigh a ton and then some, and everywhere I look their RF super telephoto top of the line glass is out of stock with no sign of being in stock again any time soon. That's not the case with the Canon glass it's all in stock. I just don't know which way to go. Please help?
Hi All, br Well I thought this day would never com... (show quote)

I'm sure you will get some good advice (I lean towards Canon) but if you aren't aware of the financial woes Nikon has been suffering the past couple of years, it might be worth your time to look into that to make some assessments as to the financial health of the company as that may have an impact on R&D going forward. Just my 2-cents. Good luck with whatever you do.

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Jul 31, 2023 20:25:00   #
Badgertale Loc: Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA
 
First, my condolences on your friend's passing. Keep honoring him through photography.

The first thing I do is research online videos, reviews, etc. Next, I talk to photographers I know or to my favorite photo store and talk to people there. Then I lay low for a few days and revisit opinions and videos I've considered. Then, I realize that for any new product I am going to invest in, I should really research as much as I can to whittle them down to the top 3 providers. Then I hem and haw over the whole thing because it is a commitment I'll have to live with for a while. Then I buy the produce and have buyer's remorse, and finally, when the return date has come and gone, I'm happy with my investment...

I moved to DSLR to Mirrorless.

Good luck in your search!

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Aug 1, 2023 06:20:13   #
riderxlx Loc: DFW area Texas
 
MattMPhoto wrote:
Hi All,
Well I thought this day would never come, but it's finally happening for me on two different fronts. First, I'm going to be leaving my job with the school bus company I've been working for and moving into freelance photography full-time. Second, one of my drivers that I oversaw recently passed away and he named me the beneficiary of his estate and investments etc after his wife divorced him 3 years ago and they had no children. Before he was a school bus driver he was a Colonel in the US Army and always did what he could for the "little man" as he called them and he always inspired me to take my photography to the next level. If he knew that I did a sports charter or did some other photoshoot of some sort he was the first person to critique my photos second only to my mother. So I'm taking a lot of the money and donating it to various organizations that work with youth and help them to become everything they can be. Next since he was always one to help me with my photography I'm going to do everything I can to upgrade my gear. Now this is where I need some advice. I'm doing a lot of sports photography(high school football, college basketball, baseball, and softball mostly) so I'm doing a lot of low-light high ISO photography, and I'm also doing a lot of wildlife photography. I've narrowed it down to Canon or Nikon's mirrorless systems(Canon R3 or Nikon Z9) but I keep going back and forth between them both. I want to shoot with as much mirrorless glass as I can(Z mount or RF mount) and not have to adapt as much. Price isn't so much a factor as I'm going to have the money to buy whatever it takes. What are the pros and cons to these systems? I've been watching everything I can on them on Youtube and other media outlets but I still would like the opinions of those people out there using them in real world cases on an everyday basis. Ideally I'd love to stick with Nikon, but my lenses are 15-20 years old and they weigh a ton and then some, and everywhere I look their RF super telephoto top of the line glass is out of stock with no sign of being in stock again any time soon. That's not the case with the Canon glass it's all in stock. I just don't know which way to go. Please help?
Hi All, br Well I thought this day would never com... (show quote)


My Nikon lenses are that old too they are I guess you could say FX because they go back to the old film days but I use them on my DSLR and I have excellent results so I’m sticking with Nikon because it has always worked. I’ve had other brands, but Nikon fits best for me.

Oh boy oh boy oh boy when I see a heading like this with a topic Like yours you’re in for one hell of a ride especially when you mention you have lots of money to spend and you’re asking for advice on how to spend it on gear. strap on Brother strap on you’re gonna go for a ride on this site.

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