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Jun 30, 2023 07:48:55   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
It seems like folders are where one stores the individual primary subject shots.
Collections can include items from multiple folders.

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Jun 30, 2023 07:50:20   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Longshadow wrote:
It seems like folders are where one stores the individual primary subject shots.
Collections can include items from multiple folders.


Short, sweet and 100% correct.

Collections are 21st century technology in action. Folders are 19th century filing cabinets full of yellowing papers.

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Jun 30, 2023 08:46:46   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
Further, 'move' is not really recommended. If you encounter a glitch, the file may get copied to a new location but get corrupted in the process. Since move then deletes the original file, you will lose the file. You really want to leave the file in the original location (copy) until you have verified that the file in the new location is viable.possible).

A move consists of three steps: a copy, a test to see if the two files are identical and then a delete of the source file.

The operating system does not delete the source file until it has verified that the copy matches the original.

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Jun 30, 2023 08:53:54   #
DJCard Loc: Northern Kentucky
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
Not really a clear understanding of how it works. Folders are based on the directory structure on your computer when you copy a file into a folder the operating system looks for free space to save that file to and creates an entry in the FAT, (file allocation table), that is a pointer to the location where the file is stored. When you import into LR if you use the “add” option it creates an entry in the LR catalog with a pointer to that location. If you “copy” or “move” when you import it puts the file in whatever folder you specify and adds an entry to the catalog. You’re right that that file remains untouched. All of the edits are also saved to the catalog and when you pull up an image LR applies those edits so you see the edited image. If you opened that image in another photo viewer you wouldn’t see the edits. Collections are NOT virtual copies. They are simply pointers to the same image file in the folder. Collections simply allow different virtual groupings of images. Whether I open an image from the folder or collection it is opening the exact same image with the exact same edits. If you edit an image in a collection then those same edits will apply if you open the image from a folder. Now one thing you can do in LR is create a virtual copy. All the virtual copy does is add an entry to the catalog that points at the same image file but it also creates a separate copy of the edits for the new entry so you can make different editing choices. It’s a great feature because it allows you to try different editing choices without affecting your previous edits.
Not really a clear understanding of how it works. ... (show quote)


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Jun 30, 2023 08:54:13   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
selmslie wrote:
A move consists of three steps: a copy, a test to see if the two files are identical and then a delete of the source file.

The operating system does not delete the source file until it has verified that the copy matches the original.


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Jun 30, 2023 09:05:19   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Short, sweet and 100% correct.

Collections are 21st century technology in action. Folders are 19th century filing cabinets full of yellowing papers.

Not quite correct.

Shortcuts (look on your desktop) are pointers to file locations, sometimes with additional instructions or "arguments". They have been around since the beginning of as DOS (Disk Operating System). Disk operating systems have been in use as long as files have been stored on disks or other internal memory.

A collection is just a table of shortcuts.

When I started using computers, information was stored on cards as well as paper or magnetic strips and magnetic disks or tape. That was cumbersome, inefficient and risky.

The File Allocation Table (FAT) originated with IBM (not Microsoft), to point to the location of the file and to manage all of the segments of a fragmented file. That's what gets fixed when you defragment your file to try and put everything back together in single continuous fragment.

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Jun 30, 2023 09:09:05   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
selmslie wrote:
Not quite correct.

Shortcuts (look on your desktop) are pointers to file locations, sometimes with additional instructions or "arguments". They have been around since the beginning of as DOS (Disk Operating System). Disk operating systems have been in use as long as files have been stored on disks or other internal memory.

A collection is just a table of shortcuts.

When I started using computers, information was stored on cards as well as paper and magnetic disks or tape. That was cumbersome, inefficient and risky.

The File Allocation Table (FAT) originated with IBM (not Microsoft), to point to the location of the file and to manage all of the segments of a fragmented file. That's what gets fixed when you defragment your file to try and put everything back together in single continuous fragment.
Not quite correct. br br Shortcuts (look on your ... (show quote)

If you want to get THAT technical, folders on the screen, like in Explorer, are just shortcuts also.......

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Jun 30, 2023 09:10:57   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
Not really a clear understanding of how it works. Folders are based on the directory structure on your computer when you copy a file into a folder the operating system looks for free space to save that file to and creates an entry in the FAT, (file allocation table), that is a pointer to the location where the file is stored.

Understanding your computer's file system is a prerequisite for understanding collections.

Trying to explain collections to someone who does not have a clear understanding of the file system is not going to work.

One of my colleagues had a term for such bewilderment, "It's like cows watching a passing train."

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Jun 30, 2023 09:16:48   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
Longshadow wrote:
If you want to get THAT technical, folders on the screen, like in Explorer, are just shortcuts also.......

Those are not shortcuts.

What you see in Explorer is a presentation that illustrates the relationships in a form that humans can understand.

Double clicking on one of those entries can cause something to happen. So can selecting and renaming or dragging or lots of other actions you can initiate while looking at the display.

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Jun 30, 2023 09:26:39   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
selmslie wrote:
Those are not shortcuts.

What you see in Explorer is a presentation that illustrates the relationships in a form that humans can understand.

Double clicking on one of those entries can cause something to happen. So can selecting and renaming or dragging or lots of other actions you can initiate while looking at the display.

Well, clicking on a folder opens it...

Perception/interpretation I suppose.

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Jun 30, 2023 09:36:45   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
selmslie wrote:
Understanding your computer's file system is a prerequisite for understanding collections.


No. Understanding collections is to understand how to succeed in a virtual world of dynamic organization. Limiting your understanding to file folders is knowing to fail in the 21st century using market-leading digital asset management technology.

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Jun 30, 2023 09:47:38   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
No. Understanding collections is to understand how to succeed in a virtual world of dynamic organization. Limiting your understanding to file folders is knowing to fail in the 21st century using market-leading digital asset management technology.

You have to use the file system or you can’t use your computer.

Not recognizing the pitfalls of collections can lead to lots of problems.

Choosing to not use collections can simplify your life and open your mind to a world of opportunities.

Limiting yourself to Lightroom and collections may not be doing yourself a favor.

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Jun 30, 2023 09:49:27   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
selmslie wrote:
You have to use the file system or you can’t use your computer.

Not recognizing the pitfalls of collections can lead to lots of problems.

Choosing to not use collections can simplify your life and open your mind to a world of opportunities.

Limiting yourself to Lightroom and collections may not be doing yourself a favor.


The market of professional photographers has spoken, clearly and emphatically for Lightroom, no matter what the villagers in the land of the lost argue against.

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Jun 30, 2023 09:54:02   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
The market of professional photographers has spoken, clearly and emphatically for Lightroom, no matter what the villagers in the land of the lost argue against.

Is that the same group that prefers Canons over all other brands?

A lot of professionals don't even (or aren't allowed to) use raw files or do any editing to their images.

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Jun 30, 2023 09:57:23   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
selmslie wrote:
Is that the same group that prefers Canons over all other brands?

A lot of professionals don't even (or aren't allowed to) use raw files or do any editing to their images.


As if that has anything to do with management of a portfolio of digital assets.

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