Nikon vs. Canon....
Jun 20, 2023 14:42:01 #
JD750 wrote:
My neighbor’s usually is not greener because watering is restricted and they dont have a tree to shade the grass from the hot hot sun so the soil dries out quickly.
Grass is greener when BS is applied, but up to a point. Too much BS can burn the roots.
Jun 20, 2023 14:51:56 #
Jun 20, 2023 14:58:38 #
sudamar wrote:
I shoot with a Nikon 750, using a 2.8 80-200 Nikon lens. The quality of my pixs look great until I see what some of my friends get with their Canon cameras and lens. The pixs with the Canon lens seem sharper. Am I wrong?
Depends on what you're viewing them on!
Jun 20, 2023 15:00:34 #
User ID wrote:
The difference is clearly the user.
To doubt the above diagnosis would just constitute a most emphatic confirmation of its accuracy.
You can very simply test this for yourself. Use a tripod, focus using magnified live view, and shoot at f:8. The D750 has a low pass filter, so you should normally apply just a small degree of sharpening either to your camera settings or in post.
To doubt the above diagnosis would just constitute a most emphatic confirmation of its accuracy.
You can very simply test this for yourself. Use a tripod, focus using magnified live view, and shoot at f:8. The D750 has a low pass filter, so you should normally apply just a small degree of sharpening either to your camera settings or in post.
It is always THE PHOTOGRAPHER! Technique is the determining factor in ANY photograph. Equipment helps but is not magic.
Jun 20, 2023 15:23:40 #
amfoto1
Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
The Nikon 80-200mm lens may be an older model, but in it's day was pretty well respected.
Actually there were three Nikon AF 80-200mm f/2.8D ED.... the first was made from 1993 to 1997. I think it is a "push/pull" zoom with silver colored lettering and decoration on the barrel. The "New" update of that lens came out in 1997 and is distinguished by no longer being a push/pull, instead having separate focus and zoom rings, as well as a lot of gold lettering and decor on the barrel. In 1999 the AF-S 80-200mm model came out, essentially the same, but a bit larger with a "silent wave" focus drive motor built in. The two earlier models rely upon a focus motor built into the camera, which not all Nikon cameras have. So this AF-S version is the first that can be used on pretty much the entire line of Nikon cameras. I'm pretty sure that 80-200mm was replaced by the first of the AF-S 70-200mm that out around 2003. I don't recall if that was a VR model or not, but if not then subsequent Nikkor 70-200mm added that feature and have had it ever since.
The latest and the best of the Nikkor 80/70-200mm models is the "FL" or "fluorite" version. That lens and several of the super telephotos were revised with fluorite elements added, which in telephoto lenses make for less chromatic aberration and a bit more sharpness. Nikon had "made do" without fluorite in any of their lenses for decades, due to the expense and difficulty working with it. Naturally occurring fluorite large and pure enough for lens elements is rare. For that reason, Canon developed a method for growing their own fluorite crystals and pioneered methods of working them into usable lens elements. Many of the Canon telephotos over the years have used fluorite, both in the older FD/FL mount and in the modern EOS/EF. All of their EF 70-200mm lenses other than the first two used it. It also was used in all EF 200mm f/1.8 & f/2, 300mm f/2.8, 400mm f/2.8, 500mm f/4.5 & f/4, 600mm f/4, 800mm f/5.6 and 1200mm f/8 lenses.
Nikon was late to the fluorite party... HOWEVER, reportedly Canon's use of it cost them a big contract. The story goes that when NASA was looking for cameras to send into space on their rockets, they ruled out Canon because some of the lenses had fluorite. There were concerns that the extremes of a rocket launch might cause the fluorite to shatter. It is rather delicate by itself. But there is little to no problem with it in lenses... at least those that remain on Earth.
OP, if your images aren't sharp there are any number of possible reasons. Some of the most likely:
- Lens out of calibration.
- Focus on the camera needs to be calibrated.
- The lens/camera combo needs to be calibrated (can be done by user).
- Incorrect auto focusing setup/usage.
- Too slow shutter being used for hand held shots.
- Poor quality "protection" filter on lens.
- Dirty image sensor in camera.
- Images not properly sharpened in post processing.
Actually there were three Nikon AF 80-200mm f/2.8D ED.... the first was made from 1993 to 1997. I think it is a "push/pull" zoom with silver colored lettering and decoration on the barrel. The "New" update of that lens came out in 1997 and is distinguished by no longer being a push/pull, instead having separate focus and zoom rings, as well as a lot of gold lettering and decor on the barrel. In 1999 the AF-S 80-200mm model came out, essentially the same, but a bit larger with a "silent wave" focus drive motor built in. The two earlier models rely upon a focus motor built into the camera, which not all Nikon cameras have. So this AF-S version is the first that can be used on pretty much the entire line of Nikon cameras. I'm pretty sure that 80-200mm was replaced by the first of the AF-S 70-200mm that out around 2003. I don't recall if that was a VR model or not, but if not then subsequent Nikkor 70-200mm added that feature and have had it ever since.
The latest and the best of the Nikkor 80/70-200mm models is the "FL" or "fluorite" version. That lens and several of the super telephotos were revised with fluorite elements added, which in telephoto lenses make for less chromatic aberration and a bit more sharpness. Nikon had "made do" without fluorite in any of their lenses for decades, due to the expense and difficulty working with it. Naturally occurring fluorite large and pure enough for lens elements is rare. For that reason, Canon developed a method for growing their own fluorite crystals and pioneered methods of working them into usable lens elements. Many of the Canon telephotos over the years have used fluorite, both in the older FD/FL mount and in the modern EOS/EF. All of their EF 70-200mm lenses other than the first two used it. It also was used in all EF 200mm f/1.8 & f/2, 300mm f/2.8, 400mm f/2.8, 500mm f/4.5 & f/4, 600mm f/4, 800mm f/5.6 and 1200mm f/8 lenses.
Nikon was late to the fluorite party... HOWEVER, reportedly Canon's use of it cost them a big contract. The story goes that when NASA was looking for cameras to send into space on their rockets, they ruled out Canon because some of the lenses had fluorite. There were concerns that the extremes of a rocket launch might cause the fluorite to shatter. It is rather delicate by itself. But there is little to no problem with it in lenses... at least those that remain on Earth.
OP, if your images aren't sharp there are any number of possible reasons. Some of the most likely:
- Lens out of calibration.
- Focus on the camera needs to be calibrated.
- The lens/camera combo needs to be calibrated (can be done by user).
- Incorrect auto focusing setup/usage.
- Too slow shutter being used for hand held shots.
- Poor quality "protection" filter on lens.
- Dirty image sensor in camera.
- Images not properly sharpened in post processing.
Jun 20, 2023 15:37:43 #
A circa 2000 Nikon lens vs a current Canon lens is no contest - and I do not care WHO the photographer is or what the body is - if that is the case.
Jun 20, 2023 17:21:40 #
Jun 20, 2023 17:50:13 #
Copyrat wrote:
This is shot with Nikon D750 and 70-200 2.8 VRII. D750 is a very capable camera.
Whatta stupendous pup 😁😁😁😁😁
Jun 20, 2023 17:56:07 #
Thomas902 wrote:
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Jun 20, 2023 18:16:45 #
JD750 wrote:
My neighbor’s usually is not greener because watering is restricted and they dont have a tree to shade the grass from the hot hot sun so the soil dries out quickly.
IOW your neighbor is a Nikon user ?
Jun 20, 2023 18:18:33 #
vbhargava
Loc: San Diego
Fine tune your lens using the dot tune method for auto focusing your lens. There is a YouTube video. It is called Dot-Tune: Autofocus fine tuning in 5 minutes. It is possible that the lens is focusing either closer or further from the object of interest.Hope this is helpful.
Jun 20, 2023 18:18:57 #
sudamar wrote:
I shoot with a Nikon 750, using a 2.8 80-200 Nikon lens. The quality of my pixs look great until I see what some of my friends get with their Canon cameras and lens. The pixs with the Canon lens seem sharper. Am I wrong?
No, you absolutely are correct.
Jun 20, 2023 18:20:36 #
imagemeister wrote:
A circa 2000 Nikon lens vs a current Canon lens is no contest - and I do not care WHO the photographer is or what the body is - if that is the case.
I must compliment you ...
on your livid imagination.
Jun 20, 2023 19:25:00 #
ELNikkor wrote:
There are even settings inside your D750 that make... (show quote)
Note, likely all the Canon cameras being compared to by the OP have the anti-aliasing filter as most all have it.
So that cannot be a factor.
Jun 20, 2023 19:33:13 #
Burkley
Loc: Park City
sudamar wrote:
I shoot with a Nikon 750, using a 2.8 80-200 Nikon lens. The quality of my pixs look great until I see what some of my friends get with their Canon cameras and lens. The pixs with the Canon lens seem sharper. Am I wrong?
The Nikon 80-200 2.8 is a fantastic lens, absolutely sharp if in focus and with adequate exposure speed. But it does not have image stabilization. It is older and may need focus calibration with your camera. The focus is slower than current lenses. It is heavy and harder to hand hold.
When it comes to photography, I’m generally a fan of the concept that it isn’t the wand, it’s the magician. Use the lens. Put it on a tripod. Handhold with adequate speed. Avoid using it at very high Fstops to avoid refraction. Use it at F8 in good light and see what you get at higher exposure speeds. I think you’ll finding that for many uses the lens is excellent, especially for the price.
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