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May 23, 2023 18:41:50   #
bdk Loc: Sanibel Fl.
 
My daughter has no idea what ISO is. No idea how to change her shutter speed or
r Fstop on her Canon camera.
She does know how to change the dial for inside, outside and for different types of lighting.
she is so busy with her photography she has been thinking about leaving her Job and doing photography full time.
and every time she tells me that I want to strangle her . Shes making big bucks, low 6 figures ....

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May 23, 2023 18:55:34   #
RodeoMan Loc: St Joseph, Missouri
 
You have received many excellent suggestions. Here is another suggestion. Your location indicates that you live in a fairly good size urban area, with that in mind, why don't you load up your cameras and lenses and try various combinations of cameras, lenses and settings in that setting. Larry Page and others had some suggestions about how they set their cameras. You could do what you normally do and try what they suggest and see what works best for you. The time to try things out is before you get to Rome.

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May 23, 2023 19:25:27   #
pesfls Loc: Oregon, USA
 
Longshadow wrote:
Haha. I also grew up with snow shovels, manual typewriters, hand saws, percolators, copper land lines, ...
but...


Me too but nowadays we have gas powered snowblower, no typewriter but a computer, a couple powersaws, a drip coffeemaker but still an underground copper landline that’s for dsl. Birds of a feather. Take care.

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May 23, 2023 20:14:32   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
bdk wrote:
My daughter has no idea what ISO is. No idea how to change her shutter speed or
r Fstop on her Canon camera.
She does know how to change the dial for inside, outside and for different types of lighting.
she is so busy with her photography she has been thinking about leaving her Job and doing photography full time.
and every time she tells me that I want to strangle her . Shes making big bucks, low 6 figures ....

Just proves that there is no ONE way or BEST way, and it's needless to worry so much about so many things.
Some people just get needlessly and totally absorbed by some things.

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May 23, 2023 20:43:14   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
bdk wrote:
My daughter has no idea what ISO is. No idea how to change her shutter speed or
r Fstop on her Canon camera.
She does know how to change the dial for inside, outside and for different types of lighting.
she is so busy with her photography she has been thinking about leaving her Job and doing photography full time.
and every time she tells me that I want to strangle her . Shes making big bucks, low 6 figures ....


Just like those who produce great music all day long, but can't read a bit of formal notation.

Not necessarily the best or most preferred method, but doesn't distract from the results at all.

On the other side of the discussion, I shoot some things that require manually setting exposure. In fact, light meters won't even register for some of them. For some things, shutter speed is important. My suggestion is not to depend on a method at all. Learn the underlying principles well. Then create your own method. Or adapt one.

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May 23, 2023 20:47:29   #
BebuLamar
 
bdk wrote:
My daughter has no idea what ISO is. No idea how to change her shutter speed or
r Fstop on her Canon camera.
She does know how to change the dial for inside, outside and for different types of lighting.
she is so busy with her photography she has been thinking about leaving her Job and doing photography full time.
and every time she tells me that I want to strangle her . Shes making big bucks, low 6 figures ....


She would be a very successful photographer.

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May 23, 2023 20:50:46   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
pesfls wrote:
Me too but nowadays we have gas powered snowblower, no typewriter but a computer, a couple powersaws, a drip coffeemaker but still an underground copper landline that’s for dsl. Birds of a feather. Take care.

And cameras that have a multitude of functions available to utilize.
No just manual.

Everyone takes advantage of all the new technology, but when it comes to cameras, some still live in the stone age.

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May 24, 2023 00:19:35   #
mmills79 Loc: NJ
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
"f/8 and be there" assumes you couldn't afford better equipment.

To the Rome question, in the old parts, wide is the only way to capture something other than the smallest details. There's ZERO wrong with shooting aperture priority, especially if you understand to push the meter to the right of the 0-mark with EC. Bring your VR-enabled lenses, and you rarely have to consider the shutter speed.


Not that Aperture Priority is a bad method to use but that is too simplistic an answer and you do have to consider the overall conditions. If the shutter speed is too low in aperture mode and you are hand holding then you might risk sharpness. So, you really have to know how to use all the camera variables, ie. setting a higher ISO or maybe using auto ISO, maybe setting shutter speed instead of aperture, adjusting EV, and even using a camera support like a tripod, to minimize poor image quality.

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May 24, 2023 01:33:14   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
mmills79 wrote:
.....or maybe using auto ISO, maybe setting shutter speed instead of aperture, adjusting EV.....


In very general terms the ideal method is one where aperture and shutter speed are the primary concerns and ISO is a secondary concern, with exposure compensation as an ever-present but not critical concern.

Using the camera's meter scale is distracting, plus even small changes to composition can affect the metering significantly so you have to keep an eye on the scale. Better if "centering" isn't a concern, which is what you get if you float the most compromisable variable - ISO.

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May 24, 2023 02:17:20   #
mmills79 Loc: NJ
 
R.G. wrote:
In very general terms the ideal method is one where aperture and shutter speed are the primary concerns and ISO is a secondary concern, with exposure compensation as an ever-present but not critical concern.

Using the camera's meter scale is distracting, plus even small changes to composition can affect the metering significantly so you have to keep an eye on the scale. Better if "centering" isn't a concern, which is what you get if you float the most compromisable variable - ISO.
In very general terms the ideal method is one wher... (show quote)


I am kinda on the same page as you. I will add that I use the available in camera histogram as an aid. I can manage/balance exposure best in that manner (which works either with a DSLR or mirrorless). Bottom line, whatever mode you choose to shoot in (hopefully you choose the appropriate mode to fit the moment) you still have to consider what parameters that particular mode locks you in to. If you find for example that in using aperture priority mode and setting an aperture, you have too slow a shutter speed, then you either have to rethink the aperture you chose or play with ISO or go to a faster lens or maybe use a camera support or even a different mode like shutter priority or even a combination of parameter adjustments. You have to manage ALL the available parameters is the point. You can't just set one parameter and hope that all the other parameters will auto line up to get you where you want to be.

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May 24, 2023 04:07:19   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
kfcam wrote:
I do have a few questions to ask of all you knowledgeable guys here, but before I do, let me say this. We were always told to learn how to shoot Manual and stay there for most of our shooting. With today's Cameras, the technology is so good, why not allow the Camera to do most of the work for you? Once I have gotten my head around "how to use my D810", I always Float my ISO, and use A priority most of the time. This allows me quickly to change my aperture, and exclusively use the exposure compensation to change my exposure if needed. I also float my ISO in Manual by setting my High and Low ISO points in camera. This way, I have more time to think of composition and what is in the foreground and background of my image. I am not knocking Manual, most newer photographer needs to learn about the "Exposure Triangle" and manual is a must for this purpose.
Now my questions. I will be in Rome for 3 days. With so much to shoot there. How will you set up your camera to be this most efficient? Will you shoot most of the time with wide angle or medium telephoto? I know the D810 is a bit heavy based on today's standards, but that is all I have. I am also taking 50mm 1.4, 24 - 70mm 2.8, and 70-200mm 2.8. Any comments, and/or recommendations will be appreciated.
I do have a few questions to ask of all you knowle... (show quote)


All modes can be useful to various photographers under various conditions or for various projects. Personally I shoot in Aperture Priority Mode mostly and next often in Full Manual. But to each his or her own.

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May 24, 2023 07:06:57   #
RGreenway Loc: Morristown, New Jersey
 
I would take a wider lens if you can. For interiors and some outdoor scenes as well. A 20-60 zoom, or perhaps one in the 16-50 range would be great IMHO.

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May 24, 2023 07:46:25   #
MrBob Loc: lookout Mtn. NE Alabama
 
pesfls wrote:
Me too but nowadays we have gas powered snowblower, no typewriter but a computer, a couple powersaws, a drip coffeemaker but still an underground copper landline that’s for dsl. Birds of a feather. Take care.


Yes, but if Oregon follows Newsomeville you will be out of luck with the snow in a power shortage with an electric snowblower. Everything you mentioned relies on electricity and your GAS powered generator will have to assist you.

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May 24, 2023 08:02:01   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
lamiaceae wrote:
All modes can be useful to various photographers under various conditions or for various projects. Personally I shoot in Aperture Priority Mode mostly and next often in Full Manual. But to each his or her own.

Exactly.
I myself use P mode primarily, but I will use other modes as desired/required for the conditions or the effects I desire.
For everyone, ONE mode will be utilized the MOST (more than others), whatever it may be.
(I don't care what others use, that's their desire.)

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May 24, 2023 08:07:15   #
dpullum Loc: Tampa Florida
 
Back in the good-ol-days, ISO was set by the film. Then you wet your finger and held it in the air for the weather forecast and proceeded to take intuitive photos with the advice of Kodak Sunny 16 Guide. It worked and still will.

Here is a simple guide at ISO 100, speed at 1/100 what f stop to use when.

https://www.dpreview.com/articles/3624260730/absolute-beginner-s-guide-to-film-photography-the-sunny-16-rule-or-how-to-expose-with-no-meter

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