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May 22, 2023 23:35:39   #
gwilliams6
 
jct8 wrote:
I find B/W film photography exciting - especially with an older camera. When I shoot B/W I use 120 film and Hasselblad 500 C/M camera. Mechanically the 500 is excellent and idiot proof (so far). Zeiss glass, tripod and cable release and I'm ready. It is heavy and needs stability. I do try to get as much done in camera as I can, but that is the challenge.

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May 23, 2023 05:09:03   #
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wmurnahan wrote:
Because an ink jet will never duplicate the look of a black and white silver oxide print.

The fact that YOU cant do it doesnt undo the fact that it has already been done.

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May 23, 2023 05:44:07   #
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richardsaccount wrote:
On You Tube there is a TED X talk In Santa Monica CA that was given by the well known
Leica photographer and spokesperson Ralph Gibson. I'm paraphrasing here but it was
along the line of making you photos to look different in the digital age. Mainly done in post
processing. The premiss being that any body can make a photo with digital capture.
They all seem to look alike.


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May 23, 2023 07:45:03   #
Retina Loc: Near Charleston,SC
 
I didn't have time to read all the posts. Someone may have mentioned the education value of walking interested young people through the process to demonstrate where digital photography came from, and then relate that to other modern conveniences we take for granted today. Then once they have some appreciation for the relatively tedious process, try to describe some of what the early wet plate photographers had to do in the field in order to document catastrophes such as Civil War battle scenes and landscapes in places where no roads existed. Another reason I have for doing film again is to put it behind for good after hopefully making at least one decent print with a format I rarely used before. There are many good reasons to use film again. However, I doubt film will make a major comeback any more than the recent fad to play vinyl and older records. There will always be those who never leave film and even some who make a living with it. My interest is just as a hobbyist to visit old skills one more time. Perhaps it's telling that I just had a break-in and the crooks didn't even touch the film gear. They probably didn't even recognize the enlarger.

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May 23, 2023 08:29:45   #
Spirit Vision Photography Loc: Behind a Camera.
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Mirrorless cameras are a way of feeling, of touching, of loving. Images captured from behind a mirror are cold, heartless and uncaring.



You don't really believe that, do you?

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May 23, 2023 09:46:57   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
Thank goodness for common sense! Some folks just enjoy arguing and making negative comments. This is why, indeed so many treads, turn it a s**t show!

Some folks have serious misconceptions, they say "Digital cameras are too sharp or too real whereas film is more imperfect and soft, or visa-versa, etc"! The problem with that concept is that the CAMERAS and please do not over those effects, those are controlled by the photograher, at least they should be. Between good digital camera work and post-processing, just about any reasonable style, effect, level of realism, or lack thereof can be accomplished with a bit of patience and skill. Fim is imperfect or soft?- make a good sharp negative and print it on an enlarger with a point source or condenser lamphouse and a good lens- you're gonna get sharpness!

If one prefers film, it is still readily available and those who are equipped to process it should certainly carry on.

And what's all the negativism about film and darkrooms? I operated a very well-equipped darkroom and color lab in my studio for decades. There were no dungeons with noxious fumes and toxic chemicals. Well, you won't get sick or die as long as you don't drink the stuff and take a few precautions. My darkrooms were fun places. They had air conditioning, ventilation, and even a pretty cool surround-sound stereo system.

There is all that folklore about fols getting asphyxiated from Sodium Ferrocyanide producing hydrogen cyanide gas when mixed with certain acids. If you use it with a rapid fixer that contains sulphuric acid, you may get a bit of gas. If you stick to a regular fixer, which contains acetic acid you won't smell the "roasting almonds" In either case, it is doubtful that will turn your darkroom into a gas chamber. Rubber gloves, tongs, and some eye protection will keep you safe all with some care and common sense. Id to don't bathe in the color print stabilizer, the formalin will not turn you into a mad hatter. If, however, you die, you may be able to use it for embalming fluid.

Old-time photography methods and tools can be dangerous. Flashbubls can explode and shatter but there were flash guards, hot lighs can start fires and old electoinc flash units have extremely high voltage and can kill you, especially if you use them in a swimming pool. If you do a lot of nature and wildlife photography, you can fall for a cliff, be devoured by a wild animal, or be shot for trespassing on private property.

If you try hard enough you can find negative aspects of almost everything.
Thank goodness for common sense! Some folks just ... (show quote)


How many people going back to film are building darkrooms? It seems to me most people now shooting film are scanning it or having it scanned. I can't see the logic of that. You have an extra generation to lose some quality, unless you get very high end (expensive) scans. I have scanned my old negatives so I can make digital prints now that I don't have a darkroom, but I wouldn't shoot photos now on film just to scan them.

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May 23, 2023 10:17:42   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
rehess wrote:
Digital is not ‘beyond’ film.
Incidentally MILC is not ‘beyond’ DSLR.
Don’t buy what marketing sells.
In both cases the newer tech is dominating the market. So if that’s not “beyond” then how do you define beyond.

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May 23, 2023 10:21:18   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
And there are several advantages to that tiny screen.
Very significant advantages. But that dead horse has been beaten so many times here the meat is gone from the bones.

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May 23, 2023 12:18:51   #
PHRubin Loc: Nashville TN USA
 
I don't use film.

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May 23, 2023 12:30:54   #
Blues Dude
 
Another comparison: Electric cars are the future of automobiles, but they can't provide the visceral thrill of driving a gas-powered muscle car. Don't believe me, then look at all the people still attending NHRA drag races. They ain't there for the whine of electrics.

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May 23, 2023 13:49:01   #
pj81156 Loc: St. Petersburg, FL
 
For me, it’s more than film. It’s the camera. I really enjoy holding and looking through the viewfinders of my Olympus OM4 and Minolta Maxxum 9. Much more than any of the the three reasonably high end digital cameras I own. Nothing digital compares to the feeling of manually focusing and choosing my fstop on my OM4. Yes, I know I can do these things with my DSLRs. I have done it. But it’s not the same. Why film? Because I want to. Shouldn’t that be reason enough?

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May 23, 2023 13:51:27   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
Blues Dude wrote:
Another comparison: Electric cars are the future of automobiles, but they can't provide the visceral thrill of driving a gas-powered muscle car. Don't believe me, then look at all the people still attending NHRA drag races. They ain't there for the whine of electrics.
It can’t happen until sufficient capacity has been added to the power grid to charge millions of e-cars. The grid is barely keeping up now. Just look at what happen in Ca last summer when they asked people not to charge e-cars due to high power demand. And how many new power plants do you see in process right now? Even if that happens it’s not obvious people will pay higher costs to buy and maintain e-cars. And what about the monumental toxic waste problem from old batteries? These problems are real detriments to massive adoption of ecars.

Fortunately e-cameras do not have those issues! 😂

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May 23, 2023 13:54:49   #
MrBob Loc: lookout Mtn. NE Alabama
 
Blues Dude wrote:
Another comparison: Electric cars are the future of automobiles, but they can't provide the visceral thrill of driving a gas-powered muscle car. Don't believe me, then look at all the people still attending NHRA drag races. They ain't there for the whine of electrics.


Amen brother... Go to Don Garlit's museum and admire the sheer Beaty and monstrosity of a full blown old school 426 Hemi and then go look at an electric motor and 8000 pound battery and tell me which one excites you... If you are a techie maybe the elec.vehicle does it for you but there is nothing quite like OLD SCHOOL Internal combustion... BTW, If in FL his museum is worth EVERY cent to visit. On I-75.

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May 23, 2023 14:16:44   #
Retina Loc: Near Charleston,SC
 
JD750 wrote:
It can’t happen until sufficient capacity has been added to the power grid to charge millions of e-cars. The grid is barely keeping up now. Just look at what happen in Ca last summer when they asked people not to charge e-cars due to high power demand. And how many new power plants do you see in process right now? Even if that happens it’s not obvious people will pay higher costs to buy and maintain e-cars. And what about the monumental toxic waste problem from old batteries? These problems are real detriments to massive adoption of ecars.

Fortunately e-cameras do not have those issues! 😂
It can’t happen until sufficient capacity has been... (show quote)

I am waiting for the first hurricane season when the governor orders hundreds of thousands of e-cars to funnel their way to the interstate with most of them getting stranded a mere 100 miles away. Maybe by then the DOT will have an army of nuclear powered drones with fast chargers zipping up and down the interstate. Hey, what's an extra couple of days with a major tropical storm at your back? It will be a Kodak moment for sure.

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May 23, 2023 14:24:29   #
Silversleuth Loc: San Francisco Bay Area
 
After major storms and lengthy power outages with no way to charge your camera batteries, that dusty old 100% mechanical camera on your shelf and a thawed out roll of film in the freezer might start looking good again. Just sayin'

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