No progress on debt ceiling (Page 3): I have not seen one liberal express any concern about a $1 Trillion/yr in interest on the debt....... What do you locos think is going to happen...

Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

I have not seen one liberal express any concern about a $1 Trillion/yr in interest on the debt....... What do you locos think is going to happen if the federal government does not come to terms with budget deficits?

I don't believe I have ever seen a liberal express a desire to see the government review for program efficacy and worthiness, but I sure have hell have seen you folks express desire for federal deficit spending and increases in spending money that the government does not have.

Effate Loc: El Dorado Hills, Ca.

DennyT wrote:

How about that and I am a retired federal employee. Overhead is not just salaries by the way.

Regardless of where you were employed I would argue by far personnel costs are the largest expenditure (administratively). If your not going to cut the service delivered and the cost to operate the physical plant are what they are then personnel is what’s left because eliminating the Keurig from the break room isn’t going to get there.

Shutterbug1697 Loc: Northeast

Effate wrote:

Firstly, do you think rescinding $72 billion of un obligated Covid funds is wrong or purely political? Secondly, based on comments made on both sides regarding not defaulting why didn’t the president show some leadership and demand meetings every day until a deal is hammered out?

Would McCarthy have budged at all if he'd been in daily talks?

It took the house a month to put forth the illusion of a budget after President Biden had submitted his budget proposal.

Effate Loc: El Dorado Hills, Ca.

Shutterbug1697 wrote:

Would McCarthy have budged at all if he'd been in daily talks?

It took the house a month to put forth the illusion of a budget after President Biden had submitted his budget proposal.

There would have only one way to find out. They should all be working full time on this effort. There will ultimately be a compromise.

aphelps Loc: Central Ohio

Bill 45 wrote:

BE damn let McCarthy have his way. So what we end up in another 1930's Depression.

You don't understand economics do you. The excessive spending programs of the current admin are the primary drivers of current financial mess we are in. Rising prices, higher taxes force the economy into depression and, ultimately, recession. Because excessive spending is at the root of current situation, the solution has to include cuts in spending tp avoid more debt.

Triple G

aphelps wrote:

You don't understand economics do you. The excessive spending programs of the current admin are the primary drivers of current financial mess we are in. Rising prices, higher taxes force the economy into depression and, ultimately, recession. Because excessive spending is at the root of current situation, the solution has to include cuts in spending tp avoid more debt.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/qai/2022/08/25/does-government-spending-cause-inflation/?sh=383cee3c61e7

As demand is decreasing and supply chain disruptions are being eliminated, prices are falling slowly.

https://www.businessinsider.com/personal-finance/what-causes-inflation?op=1

Shutterbug1697 Loc: Northeast

Blurryeyed wrote:

Well then both your state and the federal government need to reprioritize their spending and move some of that money around to where it is most effective. The federal government is still not requiring much of its workforce to show up to work, maybe we could find some savings there. I guess you will now tell me that they are just if not more productive working from home as they were when they actually reported to the workplace and to that I will say BS.

The other reporting is also BS, the legislation that came out of the House simply holds spending at 2022 levels, according to the treasury that was 6.27 Trillion dollars. As far as all this cutting that the president and all you liberals are claiming it is just ridiculous but sound bites do in modern America make for a good argument.

Here is a quote out of a CNN article....

"The package does not list any specific cuts. However, House Appropriations Committee Ranking Member Rosa DeLauro, a Democrat from Connecticut, asked government agencies earlier this year about the potential impact of reducing fiscal 2024 discretionary, non-defense spending (with the exception of veterans’ medical care) to fiscal 2022 levels.

Examples the agencies gave included shutting down 125 air traffic control towers, slashing nutrition services for 1 million senior citizens and eliminating affordable housing assistance for close to 1.1 million families.

Also, the reduction would impact the 6.6 million students who rely on Pell Grants and the 1.2 million women, infants and children who receive nutrition assistance through WIC, DeLauro said. Plus, 200,000 children would lose access to Head Start and 100,000 children would lose access to child care.

I call BS on this as well, just more leftwing lies, are you going to tell me that those 125 air traffic control towers were not funded in 2022, or that 1 million needy senior citizens were not fed in 2022, or that Pell Grants, WIC programs, and Head Start and Child Care programs were not funded in 2022?

It is all Bullshit and lies coming from the big government proponents on the democrat side of the aisle.... All McCarthy has asked for is to hold spending at 2022 levels and claw back unspent Covid relief monies.

The break down of federal spending is as follows over the last 4 years in trillions of dollars.

2019 - 5.14
2020. - 7.47
2021 - 7.38
2022 - 6.27

Well then both your state and the federal governme... (show quote)

Enjoy your reduced flight capacity all across the country, but put the blame squarely on the shoulders of the GOP when you start seeing massive flight delays just as you're planning to fly away on that business or vacation trip!

That's what happens when there aren't enough air traffic controllers on duty!

Triple G

Blurryeyed wrote:

I have not seen one liberal express any concern ab... (show quote)

Then you only see what you want to see. You are blind to the comments and suggestions about separate bills, zero based budgeting, critical path analysis, process improvement, etc. that many liberals and progressives have offered.

Effate Loc: El Dorado Hills, Ca.

Shutterbug1697 wrote:

Enjoy your reduced flight capacity all across the country, but put the blame squarely on the shoulders of the GOP when you start seeing massive flight delays just as you're planning to fly away on that business or vacation trip!

That's what happens when there aren't enough air traffic controllers on duty!

Are you kidding me? How could it get any worse than the current level of service and runway/tarmac near misses. We need more equity in the industry. Don’t worry Mayor Pete’s in charge.

Shutterbug1697 Loc: Northeast

Effate wrote:

Are you kidding me? How could it get any worse than the current level of service and runway/tarmac near misses. We need more equity in the industry. Don’t worry Mayor Pete’s in charge.

Without funding there will not be any "more" equity!

Effate Loc: El Dorado Hills, Ca.

Shutterbug1697 wrote:

Without funding there will not be any "more" equity!

And that’s a problem why?

DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods

Blurryeyed wrote:

Well then both your state and the federal government need to reprioritize their spending and move some of that money around to where it is most effective. The federal government is still not requiring much of its workforce to show up to work, maybe we could find some savings there. I guess you will now tell me that they are just if not more productive working from home as they were when they actually reported to the workplace and to that I will say BS.

The other reporting is also BS, the legislation that came out of the House simply holds spending at 2022 levels, according to the treasury that was 6.27 Trillion dollars. As far as all this cutting that the president and all you liberals are claiming it is just ridiculous but sound bites do in modern America make for a good argument.

Here is a quote out of a CNN article....

"The package does not list any specific cuts. However, House Appropriations Committee Ranking Member Rosa DeLauro, a Democrat from Connecticut, asked government agencies earlier this year about the potential impact of reducing fiscal 2024 discretionary, non-defense spending (with the exception of veterans’ medical care) to fiscal 2022 levels.

Examples the agencies gave included shutting down 125 air traffic control towers, slashing nutrition services for 1 million senior citizens and eliminating affordable housing assistance for close to 1.1 million families.

Also, the reduction would impact the 6.6 million students who rely on Pell Grants and the 1.2 million women, infants and children who receive nutrition assistance through WIC, DeLauro said. Plus, 200,000 children would lose access to Head Start and 100,000 children would lose access to child care.

I call BS on this as well, just more leftwing lies, are you going to tell me that those 125 air traffic control towers were not funded in 2022, or that 1 million needy senior citizens were not fed in 2022, or that Pell Grants, WIC programs, and Head Start and Child Care programs were not funded in 2022?

It is all Bullshit and lies coming from the big government proponents on the democrat side of the aisle.... All McCarthy has asked for is to hold spending at 2022 levels and claw back unspent Covid relief monies.

The break down of federal spending is as follows over the last 4 years in trillions of dollars.

2019 - 5.14
2020. - 7.47
2021 - 7.38
2022 - 6.27

Well then both your state and the federal governme... (show quote)

You ignored these facts

Blurryeyed wrote:
WTF are you talking about Denny, maybe you can list them line by line.

to name a few
- Rescind new Internal Revenue Service funding
- Repeal green energy tax credits
-Rescind unobligated Covid-19 relief funds

Effate Loc: El Dorado Hills, Ca.

DennyT wrote:

You ignored these facts

Blurryeyed wrote:
WTF are you talking about Denny, maybe you can list them line by line.

to name a few
- Rescind new Internal Revenue Service funding
- Repeal green energy tax credits
-Rescind unobligated Covid-19 relief funds

All three examples hurt no average citizen just the entities vying for that remaining Covid pork and the green energy lobby. As I told you in an earlier topic. That IRS money should be on the border for enough judges to turn these bogus claims around in days and increased security.

Triple G

Blurryeyed wrote:

Well then both your state and the federal government need to reprioritize their spending and move some of that money around to where it is most effective. The federal government is still not requiring much of its workforce to show up to work, maybe we could find some savings there. I guess you will now tell me that they are just if not more productive working from home as they were when they actually reported to the workplace and to that I will say BS.

The other reporting is also BS, the legislation that came out of the House simply holds spending at 2022 levels, according to the treasury that was 6.27 Trillion dollars. As far as all this cutting that the president and all you liberals are claiming it is just ridiculous but sound bites do in modern America make for a good argument.

Here is a quote out of a CNN article....

"The package does not list any specific cuts. However, House Appropriations Committee Ranking Member Rosa DeLauro, a Democrat from Connecticut, asked government agencies earlier this year about the potential impact of reducing fiscal 2024 discretionary, non-defense spending (with the exception of veterans’ medical care) to fiscal 2022 levels.

Examples the agencies gave included shutting down 125 air traffic control towers, slashing nutrition services for 1 million senior citizens and eliminating affordable housing assistance for close to 1.1 million families.

Also, the reduction would impact the 6.6 million students who rely on Pell Grants and the 1.2 million women, infants and children who receive nutrition assistance through WIC, DeLauro said. Plus, 200,000 children would lose access to Head Start and 100,000 children would lose access to child care.

I call BS on this as well, just more leftwing lies, are you going to tell me that those 125 air traffic control towers were not funded in 2022, or that 1 million needy senior citizens were not fed in 2022, or that Pell Grants, WIC programs, and Head Start and Child Care programs were not funded in 2022?

It is all Bullshit and lies coming from the big government proponents on the democrat side of the aisle.... All McCarthy has asked for is to hold spending at 2022 levels and claw back unspent Covid relief monies.

The break down of federal spending is as follows over the last 4 years in trillions of dollars.

2019 - 5.14
2020. - 7.47
2021 - 7.38
2022 - 6.27

Well then both your state and the federal governme... (show quote)

I can tell you unequivocally that not all fed employees need to be in a workplace to be productive. Yes, those who do transactional or paper processes need to be centralized, but accounting, process flow, collaborative writing/research are all done better through online processes. I solicited 20 RFP responses for review and recommendation (similar to government purchasing activity) for 3 different corporations for 5 different employee benefit plans. All was accomplished via telecommuting and file sharing earlier than timeline with anticipated savings from current benefit costs totaling over $20 mil. I know people in accounting who do complete quarterly reporting via telecommuting (IRS type activity), and also see applicant and human resource change processes go completely paperless through levels of approval. etc. I believe telecommuting should be expanded and take the overhead savings.

https://www.govexec.com/management/2020/07/expanded-telework-could-save-individual-feds-25k-4k-annually/167307/

Effate Loc: El Dorado Hills, Ca.

Triple G wrote:

I can tell you unequivocally that not all fed empl... (show quote)

I am sure it can be done if everyone is as self motivated as you but not all are. I also question the ability to secure sensitive data offsite (caveat: I know nothing about cybersecurity). If as you state it can be efficiently and securely accomplished then the government should downsize and divest itself of many of the physical plants designed to facilitate a full in-house workforce.