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Apr 24, 2023 09:18:50   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
JohnFrim wrote:
Guns by themselves are not the problem. But similar to how one disciplines children who misbehave, sometimes the toys get taken away or restricted until the bad behaviour is changed and it is safe to bring out the toys again.

As you said, America has "societal problems" that are at the root of the mass killings, and those problems DO need addressing and correcting. But EASY ACCESS to firearms contributes heavily toward the mass killings, so restricting access to those firearms is a helpful step in the right direction. Law-abiding gun owners would not be overly (negatively) impacted by tighter gun controls (as in new laws OR simply better enforcement of existing laws), but perhaps loonies and crazies would have a tougher time getting their hands on weapons. Removing opportunity and temptation surely would help.
Guns by themselves are not the problem. But simila... (show quote)


John you have pointed out one of the worst supervisorial concepts known to the business world as well as in the parenting world. YES, guns by themselves are not the problem. People are the problem, soaring crime rates and lowered prison sentences or other punitive are one of the problems. Allowing people to commit crimes but not hold them responsible is another problem. The two tiered system of justice from the Left is another problem. I wonder how many people see the Biden crime family at work and then allow themselves the very same privilege to do as they want. Increased violence toward police and authority is another problem but that is sanctioned by the Left. Students beating the shit out of teachers in schools is far more than it has ever been and yet seldom does the student to to a reformatory. He might not be allowed in school for a week or so maybe until the teacher gets out of the hospital. Increased drug use is another factor in the culture wars here in America. Can anybody tell me what Biden has done against Mexico and China for bringing fentanyl into America where citizens die by the thousands?

But then you make a ridiculous comment about taking toys away or restrict them until behavior changes. The HUGE common sense point you are missing is, your side wants to take toys/guns away from law abiding citizens while you give criminals who use firearms a pass in lowered sentences. The object of punishment such as taking things away is to take them away from those who are misusing them.

I can only imagine you as a supervisor with one employee who comes in late every day. You would make EVERYBODY come in an hour early to teach that miscreant a lesson.

Dennis

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Apr 24, 2023 09:24:55   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
JohnFrim wrote:
Of course criminals commit crimes (duh!!!). But criminals and their crimes are NOT what people are concerned about when calling for tighter gun regulations. When will THAT concept sink into your noggin?

America ABSOLUTELY DOES have a problem with honest law-abiding citizens owning firearms, because it is those very law-abiding citizens who do stupid things with their firearms and then become criminals that need their easy access to firearms restricted or curtailed completely. When there is a recognized posted road hazard ahead do you ignore the detour signs and barrel through the barrier, or do you take a few minutes to drive more carefully around the hazard... still getting to your destination safely?

Your arguments of criminals not obeying laws, cars/knives/clubs killing more people, and restricting firearms being a first step to confiscating ALL firearms... these are all nonsense arguments that are either irrelevant or that have a workable solution... but ya gotta wanna!!!!
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John your first paragraph absolutely SUCKS in the realm of common sense. Are you telling us then that citizens do not care about firearms used in bank robberies, street crime/muggings, burglaries, home invasions and the common, wife shoots cheating husband, murders; they only care about mass shootings, which are the lowest number most likely of all murders committed in America?

Hmmmm, someone is coming at me with a knife, vehicle, club, whatever and it is my job at that point to think of a workable solution. Here in America the workable solution when that happens is to shoot to stop their lawless behavior. Everyone I know likes that type of solution.

Sorry my BFF but your pussified comments just ain't doing it for me or most other Americans who value our freedoms. Do you still play with dolls or was only until you reached 20?

Dennis

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Apr 24, 2023 09:33:56   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
gorgehiker wrote:
Denny - Just keep parroting the Fox News talking point about gun violence in Chicago as if you actually care about those black kids. All gun deaths are tragic. All gun deaths occur because someone pointed a gun at a human and pulled the trigger whether in Chicago or in Podunk County. All of those deaths have one thing in common - guns. Do you realize that about 18 of the top 20 per capita gun death states are your red states? Why can't your Republican state leaders do a better job of controlling gun violence in your red states?
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Well look at you and your idiotic comment right out of the chute. Here you rightly admit Fox News talking about gun violence in Chicago. Hell, I thought as a loyal Marxist you would deny that even happening. But then you ASSUME as a good Race Baiter would, that I would not actually care about those black kids. Now where the F'k you would get that asinine, stupid, dumb ass, ridiculous remark is far beyond my comprehension. But there it is.

The facts are clear. There are far more BLACK on BLACK murders in Chicago, Detroit and look at your dumb ass comment, All gun deaths occur because someone pointed a gun at a human and pulled the trigger whether in Chicago or in Podunk County. All of those deaths have one thing in common - guns. Well you sure got that one right, didn't you. Yup, most gun deaths occur because someone had a, you guessed it, GUN. DAMN!!!!! Are you one right on the ball lying corrupt Left Winger, or what?

When your lying corrupt DEMOCRATIC leaders do something about gun deaths in the inner cities maybe my side will follow. Barack Obama was from Chicago's became President and not one time did he ever give a speech in Chicago or call for a parade to help stop gun violence there. Look at all he might have done as POTUS to stop gun violence run that city but he did nothing but whine and bitch just as you do.

Dennis

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Apr 24, 2023 09:41:57   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
JohnFrim wrote:
What's next... armed guards at every church, movie theatre, dance hall, concert hall, arena, shopping centre, restaurant, bus/train stop, individual store, ...

Do you not see that the problem IS GUNS??? TOO MANY GUNS??? Your country has too many of them, too many people feeling they need to own them for personal safety (because everyone else has them), and too many people eager to shoot first and talk later. If the instances I posted about at the top of this thread don't scream INSANITY to you then nothing obviously will. And the insanity is not just with those who pulled the triggers... it is with those who refuse to do something about the problem ("easy access cannot be stopped" is a copout response)... or worse, those who suggest more guns and armed guards at all public facilities is the best solution.
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Holy SHIT John. You are really going off the deep end here. Give me your address so I can send you a box of hankies to dry those little tears. How you forget that in many of those venues you listed there have been armed citizens who have shot mass shooters to stop the bloodshed. You don't mention those things do you? You fail to mention the use of firearms to stop crimes. Why is that?

Basically my friend you have gotten your trolling orders to continue on pushing for your lying corrupt Left Wing agenda even though you are in Canada. Most people worry about their own country but not you. You pretend to care so much about all of us poor Americans who value our rights more than the concept of a few people getting murdered. Once you on the Left take away our 2nd Amendment RIGHT then it will ONLY be criminals who will have firearms. No little sissy, I will carry my own firearm and take my chances. You just stay right there in Canada and enjoy your life. But be careful you don't get hit by a murderer taking out people with an automobile or a knife, maybe a lumberjack will come after you with a double bit axe. Just plead with him not to take your head off. Good luck.

Dennis

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Apr 24, 2023 09:43:47   #
JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.
 
dennis2146 wrote:
John you have pointed out one of the worst supervisorial concepts known to the business world as well as in the parenting world. YES, guns by themselves are not the problem. People are the problem, soaring crime rates and lowered prison sentences or other punitive are one of the problems. Allowing people to commit crimes but not hold them responsible is another problem. The two tiered system of justice from the Left is another problem. I wonder how many people see the Biden crime family at work and then allow themselves the very same privilege to do as they want. Increased violence toward police and authority is another problem but that is sanctioned by the Left. Students beating the shit out of teachers in schools is far more than it has ever been and yet seldom does the student to to a reformatory. He might not be allowed in school for a week or so maybe until the teacher gets out of the hospital. Increased drug use is another factor in the culture wars here in America. Can anybody tell me what Biden has done against Mexico and China for bringing fentanyl into America where citizens die by the thousands?

But then you make a ridiculous comment about taking toys away or restrict them until behavior changes. The HUGE common sense point you are missing is, your side wants to take toys/guns away from law abiding citizens while you give criminals who use firearms a pass in lowered sentences. The object of punishment such as taking things away is to take them away from those who are misusing them.

I can only imagine you as a supervisor with one employee who comes in late every day. You would make EVERYBODY come in an hour early to teach that miscreant a lesson.

Dennis
John you have pointed out one of the worst supervi... (show quote)

I have never advocated anything that would prevent law-abiding citizens from using any kind of weapon they want as long as they are used in the right places under the right conditions. You are clearly one of the paranoid people who fear for their life not only when they leave the house, but when they answer the door. Why? Because there might be a nutcase out there with a gun. And you would be correct that someone out there has a gun, because they fear YOU might be the nutcase with the gun. More guns, guns for everyone… that’s the solution!!!

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Apr 24, 2023 09:55:50   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
JohnFrim wrote:
I have never advocated anything that would prevent law-abiding citizens from using any kind of weapon they want as long as they are used in the right places under the right conditions. You are clearly one of the paranoid people who fear for their life not only when they leave the house, but when they answer the door. Why? Because there might be a nutcase out there with a gun. And you would be correct that someone out there has a gun, because they fear YOU might be the nutcase with the gun. More guns, guns for everyone… that’s the solution!!!
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John there you go once again like a typical Left Winger, throwing out insults but not having a clue what you are talking about. I have carried a firearm since I was 17 years old. I feel comfortable carrying a firearm, not because I am scared. I am not scared at all. I have arrested people with guns, taken guns away from people, a couple really crazy people, but scared for my life, NO. Now compare me to you, every day you are here, not even an American citizen, whining and bitching about firearm deaths in America when you don't even live here. You have nothing to do with America except live North of my country. Please don't give us the bullshit you CARE about us and only want us to be safe because we are neighbors. BULLSHIT!!!!! You are a Left Winger and feel the need to pass on your Left Wing theories to make us all a shithole country just like yours and many others. That is it in a nutshell and you know it.

I have never said more guns for everyone, not once in my life. But you should know that in America even women are purchasing more and more firearms for personal protection; yes John, women of all ages. Women take a look at the rising crime rates, they see the Left Wing district attorneys are doing nothing to put criminals in prison and then also see the Left continues to take money from police departments to give benefits to the homeless and other bullshit programs to sooth the Left's desire to give EQUITY to us all rather than everyone having equal opportunity. Women want and need protection and they are learning to protect themselves with their own firearms.

Either honest citizens with firearms will dominate the crime problem here or criminals will dominate. Now given that choice which would you choose?

Dennis

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Apr 24, 2023 10:27:54   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
JohnFrim wrote:
Let me pose an operational "free... and safer... America" scenario to you.

Mommy takes her little darling to school in the morning. Before she leaves the house she packs her gun into her purse... in case it is needed to gun down some crazy pedophile who wants to take her daughter, or in case she has to save the world from a mad mass murderer shooting up the school, or in case she just wants to "butt in" at the gas station that has rationed fuel. She cannot go into the school with her purse because the armed guard won't let her past the metal detector. But that's OK, her little girl is now safely in the hands of the armed guard, and maybe even the armed teachers in the classrooms (could a teacher "lose it" and become a crazy killer? Nah, never will happen...).

She leaves the school to have morning coffee with her friend at Starbucks, but she cannot enter the cafe because the armed guard won't let her past the metal detector with her gun; so she picks up coffee at the drive-in window and meets her friend in the nearby park, where they have coffee together (both with guns in their purses) giving the evil eye(s) to all the potential bad guys (with guns, of course) strolling through the park (can't trust anyone these days, can you).

After coffee she wants to buy come clothes in the mall, but the armed guard won't let her into the mall because her purse sets off the metal detector. Unable to be separated from her gun she decides she will order the clothes from Amazon and have them delivered. Much safer than entering the mall WHERE NO ONE HAS A GUN because thanks to the guard and metal detector the mall is effectively a gun-free zone; as was the inside of Starbuck's cafe.

She wants to pick up some groceries on the way home, but she can't get into the store because it is protected by an armed guard and a metal detector. So she and her gun go home and she orders groceries on-line. Now, when the groceries arrive she meets the delivery guy at the door, opening it carefully with her left hand while she has the cocked and loaded gun in her right hand... just in case the delivery boy is out for MILF (or in case she wants to drag him into the bedroom for MILF).

At the end of the day hubby comes home. He has forgotten his house key, so he plans to ring the doorbell to be let in. But he knows wifey has a gun and doesn't trust anyone knocking on her door, so he pulls his gun from his hip holster and has it at the ready when he rings the doorbell. When wifey opens the door the two of them meet each other eye-to-eye staring down gun barrels. Luckily they recognize each other before pulling the triggers, and they head up to the bedroom for some "fun"... with loaded guns on the headboards... 'cuz they get off better with guns at the ready.

WELCOME TO FREE AMERICA!!! Man... what a great life! A truly free society, where you can live The American Dream and do almost anything you like... as long as you pack a sidearm. BTW, wifey bought her gun online with her American Express card, and when the package arrived it was labelled, "American Express... don't leave home without it."
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What the HELL are you talking about. I go into every business you speak of as well as malls all the time and there are no armed guards. Where the HELL do you live? Every example you posted is nothing but Left Wing lying corrupt agenda that is completely wrong. Yet you continue posting your bullshit. Give it a rest John. You don't need to convert us all to the lying corrupt Left Wing TODAY. Work at it slowly so you don't get a heart attack from the stress of knowing almost every one of us who owns a firearm considers you an ASS.

Dennis

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Apr 24, 2023 10:28:48   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
JohnFrim wrote:
Like I said, it has been happening for many years.


OMG!!! You people are idiots. You really do need to get a life.

Dennis

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Apr 24, 2023 10:36:19   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
wilpharm wrote:
you have only changed minds about YOU...quite tiring with the BS that aint your business




You are correct. John has nobody riled up except to continue thinking he and other Left Winger idiots haven't a clue what they are talking about. I am not riled up but more accurately TIRED of the constant whining and crying from a little pussy who has not once offered any common sense thoughts about stopping mass killings in America. The ONLY comments I have seen are from Conservatives who want our schools protected and tougher ENFORCEMENT of laws toward criminals. The Left has softened their approach to putting criminals in prison with their idiotic Goody Two Shoes approach of plea bargaining down violent crimes to misdemeanors and then letting prisoners off the hook. This isn't a gun problem so much as it is a culture problem of the Left wanting and doing its best to bring America down. John Frim is all about promoting that theory.

Dennis

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Apr 24, 2023 10:51:10   #
Checkmate Loc: Southern California
 
JohnFrim wrote:
A kid rings the wrong doorbell and gets shot.
A car turns into the wrong driveway and a woman is shot and killed.
A basketball rolls into someone’s yard and he shoots a man and a child.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/19/politics/deadly-shootings-wrong-place-what-matters/index.html

Notice that my thread title is not blaming the weapon… but your gun-loving society sure is f#*ked up!!!


The most hate we hear today is generated by you far left wing DemoKKKraps starting with F JB.

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Apr 24, 2023 10:58:14   #
Checkmate Loc: Southern California
 
JohnFrim wrote:
I would not dispute that the NRA probably serves a purpose in educating people in gun safety, and that many stupid gun deaths are by people who are not members of the NRA.

But what I find a bit irresponsible is the resistance from the NRA to do something about the gun problem in the US. Yes, there probably is a big mental health issue behind a lot of the senseless violence, but the 3 instances I mentioned are not likely the result of "mental health issues." I see them as "attitude" issues.
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It is a lack of morals and principals that you left wing DemoKKKraps who have foisted on society.

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Apr 24, 2023 12:18:26   #
Effate Loc: El Dorado Hills, Ca.
 
Frank T wrote:
I think you may be wrong about this. I checked the statistics for the per-capita homicide rate by states and the top five are all red states.

Mississippi 20.50
Louisiana 19.90
Alabama 14.20
Missouri 14
Arkansas 13
Note: The above figures denote homicides per 100,000 people.
Have a nice day.


I don’t think I am wrong as if you reread my words, I wasn’t arguing the point of who runs the states. Look at my list of cities in those very states you list. I was merely arguing attribution as the cities that overwhelmingly contribute to those murder rates are all run by democrats hence my suggestion that one dive a little deeper than the overused talking point of they are republican run states.

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Apr 24, 2023 12:19:51   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Checkmate wrote:
It is a lack of morals and principals that you left wing DemoKKKraps who have foisted on society.




Dennis

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Apr 24, 2023 12:39:25   #
JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.
 
dennis2146 wrote:
What the HELL are you talking about. I go into every business you speak of as well as malls all the time and there are no armed guards. Where the HELL do you live? Every example you posted is nothing but Left Wing lying corrupt agenda that is completely wrong. Yet you continue posting your bullshit. Give it a rest John. You don't need to convert us all to the lying corrupt Left Wing TODAY. Work at it slowly so you don't get a heart attack from the stress of knowing almost every one of us who owns a firearm considers you an ASS.

Dennis
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You clearly have trouble following a thread. My post was in response to the notion that more armed guards and security around schools will better protect children; to which I suggested that soon there will be a perceived need to add more security to other public places like shopping malls. I then presented a hypothetical scenario that wrapped all those concepts together. I guess you can't follow a train of thought very well.

Was my scenario far-fetched? Sure it was. But no more far fetched than the BS mistaken NRA talking point that the government wants to take all your guns away, and that is the first step to then take away all of your freedoms. In case you didn't get the gist of my scenario, more guns and more security at public places could lead to less freedom to live a life free of the fear of being shot by someone with a gun because everyone is armed. As you pointed out in another post (see, I can connect dots) more women are now buying guns for self-protection; but the very fact that they feel so unsafe in your country makes a strong statement of why I feel much safer in a country like Canada where people do not walk the streets armed.

I suspect that as a life-long gun owner/user and then a LEO you feel naked without a gun at the ready. I guess that might give you some peace of mind, but my peace of mind comes from not being afraid of being shot when I go out or when I answer the door. When a stranger approaches me my thoughts go toward "How can I help you?" as opposed to "Show me both hands and tell me WTF you want."

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Apr 24, 2023 13:18:03   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
JohnFrim wrote:
You clearly have trouble following a thread. My post was in response to the notion that more armed guards and security around schools will better protect children; to which I suggested that soon there will be a perceived need to add more security to other public places like shopping malls. I then presented a hypothetical scenario that wrapped all those concepts together. I guess you can't follow a train of thought very well.

Was my scenario far-fetched? Sure it was. But no more far fetched than the BS mistaken NRA talking point that the government wants to take all your guns away, and that is the first step to then take away all of your freedoms. In case you didn't get the gist of my scenario, more guns and more security at public places could lead to less freedom to live a life free of the fear of being shot by someone with a gun because everyone is armed. As you pointed out in another post (see, I can connect dots) more women are now buying guns for self-protection; but the very fact that they feel so unsafe in your country makes a strong statement of why I feel much safer in a country like Canada where people do not walk the streets armed.

I suspect that as a life-long gun owner/user and then a LEO you feel naked without a gun at the ready. I guess that might give you some peace of mind, but my peace of mind comes from not being afraid of being shot when I go out or when I answer the door. When a stranger approaches me my thoughts go toward "How can I help you?" as opposed to "Show me both hands and tell me WTF you want."
You clearly have trouble following a thread. My po... (show quote)


NO John!!! You are nothing but a typical Left Winger doing your best, more and more lately, spreading bullshit. Nothing in your post was true. Yes there should be more safeguards at schools to protect children and teachers. But let's not forget the idea of Gun Free Zones has never once worked when a shooter wanted to attack people inside that school. Even the idea itself is completely STUPID on the face of it, you on the Left thinking some mass murder won't take a firearm onto school grounds, OR ANY OTHER GROUNDS, because it is not allowed. What a crock of dumb ass shit that is. Here is someone bent on committing murder and you on the idiotic Left think limiting magazine capacities, enacting laws against taking firearms on school grounds, doing away with AR and AK platform rifles will do anything at all to stop that shooting from taking place. That is the mentality of the Left and it just plain sucks.

You did not just point out schools heavily guarded but a number of other areas where people congregate as well, malls, stores and so on. That is not happening in America today but leave it to a LIAR such as yourself to say it is.
Then you bring up your self concocted fantasy land idea of the mother being armed to do all sort of mayhem etc., another bunch of bullshit that is not true except in the cartoon brain you display right here.

"John, John, time to wake up now. You are not in Left Wing lying bullshit land anymore. Wake up".

As you and others have pointed out non stop there are millions of firearms in the hands of Americans now. If we were really a problem you would know it. There are not that many mass murders that take place in America. Many have been committed by those from the Left side of the aisle. Yup, it's true. It is NOT always or even mostly someone from the Right Wing that commits mass murders. You Left Wingers contribute your share as well.

Something I have said before but you may want to take a good look at it again. There are a few, comparatively, mass murders in America. But there is always Black on Black crime in the inner cities, many of which are run by Democrats and many are completely run by Blacks. Yet the murder rate is through the roof, in the thousands. Why don't you or any other Left Winger whine, bitch and complain about those people being murdered and nothing done about it??? Is it because you on the Left completely support whatever Blacks do and think, no harm-no foul because the murderers and victims are Black? How do you put those people aside like that as if they mean nothing while contributing all your energy to those murdered in a school. Don't Blacks count for anything to you on the Left? Are they all just useful idiots to the Democratic Party to be used as pawns? I haven't looked it up as I don't feel the need but I believe there perhaps hundreds killed in mass murders against thousands killed in Black on Black crime. Yet you stick with mass murders. Why is that John?

Your idiotic last paragraph says it all and it is all a LIE. I have already explained I am not afraid of anything. That is not why I carry a firearm when I can. There is evil out there and I have no problem being prepared for it if it happens to come my way. I have no desire to ever shoot anyone let alone kill them. But let's face it, it is one of the Left Wing strategies to portray LEO's as gun happy, always hoping to kill someone especially if they are black. In over 30 years of LEO and corrections work I have never met even one person who feels that way and yet you on the Left tell that bullshit story whenever convenient, that we are just looking to kill someone. Again, you are a LIAR only pushing the Left Wing agenda.

Dennis

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