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Apr 3, 2023 13:14:19   #
kb6kgx Loc: Simi Valley, CA
 
gvarner wrote:
When I used film I had to plan ahead. I was limited in money and couldn’t waste shots. No pictures of my dinner. No pictures taken "just because I could". I had to plan ahead and work at it. Film was a limited resource. Digital tends to make me lazy about planning ahead. Your thoughts.


That's exactly it. MY mindset is from back when processing labs, whether custom or the automated machines you'd find at Walgreen's, etc., they charged for all "printable" images, even if dark or blurry or whatever. That can get expensive. Especially when, if you load the roll right, you can get 39 photos out of a 36-exposure roll (the 24-exposure rolls were different, no extra film at the end of those, if you tried to get 25, you'd tear the film). What film taught us was to make every shot count. As you said, to "plan", as best you could.

But times are what they are. Progress is progress. Yes, we love the "look" of film, something that digital really lacks. Have you seen theatrical movies shot on film versus those shot on video? Which looks more pleasing to you?

It's also financial. For the price of a roll of film, 36-exposures, plus the cost of processing, prints (if you want) and images onto a DVD, you can get a 32 GB SD card that will hold THOUSANDS of images and you can reuse that card over and over.

Lastly, fewer and fewer places exist that can process your film. Even Costco finally got rid of their photo processing last year. My local camera shop will handle it, but they send everything out. It still takes a day or two. But what if you need the image NOW?

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Apr 3, 2023 13:18:54   #
kb6kgx Loc: Simi Valley, CA
 
Scruples wrote:
In truth, I could not take photos with that kind of subject. As a photographer, you would need a stomach of steel. I have been in operating rooms and seen some stuff that would make a person loose their lunch. I don’t think I could stand around with bullets flying by trying to take a photo and not having an accident in my shorts. I would rather schlep Mr. Ansel Adams gear up one side of the mountain and down the other side. I certainly don’t need to be a world renowned War photographer with a couple of bullet holes in my butt.
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Pretty sure that Matthew Brady was never shot while photographing the war, nor were any of his assistants, far as I know. Could be wrong, just never heard about it. Dangerous? Sure it was.

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Apr 3, 2023 13:20:55   #
kb6kgx Loc: Simi Valley, CA
 
agillot wrote:
On the other hand , digital make you better , because of trial and error .You see the mistakes on the spot and can correct .You cant do that with film .Also, a modern camera take the picture for you , except if you shoot in 100 % manual mode .


Right. "One-Hour Photo" places aside, usually you wouldn't know until as long as a week later if your shots came out or not. And, obviously, the chance to retake them was gone for good. At least with digital, out of a dozen or so shots, maybe ONE will be "the" shot.

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Apr 3, 2023 13:25:30   #
kb6kgx Loc: Simi Valley, CA
 
pdsdville wrote:
I sincerely believe that those of us who learned to shoot using film have an advantage over those learning with digital cameras. It taught us to think, to see the photo before we ever hit the shutter release. I hear of people going out on a morning shoot and taking hundreds of photos. I may take 50 or 60. If I can't see it in my mind, I don't take the shot. Saves a lot of time in post processing and eliminates a lot of junk photos. Just my opinion.


I would shoot air shows with fast-moving jets performing various aerobatic maneuvers, as the Blue Angels and Thunderbirds do. You have ONE chance to get "the" shot. I had no winder or motor drive, my "burst" was as fast as I could ratchet that advance lever. Oh, and manual focus, then, too. No AF for me at that time. Many times, I would get the film back and instead of seeing two jets crossing over each other, I'd get just their smoke trails. I learned to anticipate, to plan, and -- after a few decades of trying -- figured out how to do it. But, with digital, and since most cameras have "continuous shutter" speeds, getting "the" shot did get easier to do.

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Apr 3, 2023 13:25:31   #
Tote1940 Loc: Dallas
 
Totally agree! Used to return from trips with 30-50 rolls, quite a hassle with Xrays at customs
Over many years a few rolls lost in mail or by processor, now just a few cards even can upload to Cloud from ipad
My only concern is future ability to access formats Paper prints anyone can look at them , slides more difficult but no longer able to access photos saved on floppies or Beta tapes
Have asked my kids and grandkids to translate formats when current files become obsolete , I will not be around to worry anyway

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Apr 3, 2023 13:29:54   #
PhotogHobbyist Loc: Bradford, PA
 
BebuLamar wrote:
You can do the same with digital. To be truly free you shouldn't do things only when you have to.


Agreed, one can do the planning, just as we did with film. The other side of the coin is that because digital is so easily reviewed, photographers will chimp and decide to take another shot if they think the first (or second or third...) is unacceptable. I practiced this for a play that asked me to do cast and publicity shots. I took three different images of several cast members jumping, trying to get each and evey one in the air at the same time. My first shot was successful but I thought I could get a better one. After the third try I stopped. The first one was the best.

Another example, my youngest son was married a couple weeks ago. He and his husband had two photographers and a videographer. I personally witnessed each photographer take photos and check the review screen then take another pic or three or more. I realize that weddings call for excellent shots so taking a few extra is prudent.

Simply recalling film days and thinking about the settings then taking the time would also be prudent, in many cases.

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Apr 3, 2023 13:30:54   #
kb6kgx Loc: Simi Valley, CA
 
Picture Taker wrote:
I still think film. I do shoot a little more at times. But then I think I can check my pictures now, and check them.

I do shoot extra in situations that are action and can't ever be the same. The 20 and 36 roll is still in my brain.


I'm like that, also. I still think "film". Even though my camera -- as do nearly all -- have "continuous shutter burst" functions, I rarely use them. 98% of the time, I'm squeezing off that one shot. Either I get the shot or I don't. Rather than if I had four or five quick bursts, maybe ONE will be a good one. I'm STILL thinking that I have that one chance to get the shot.

I'll be at an air show or shooting a fire, or whatever, and the guy next to me will be click-click-click-click-click… and me, just one.

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Apr 3, 2023 13:35:16   #
Picture Taker Loc: Michigan Thumb
 
Every shot must count. random shooting because you can, is just sloppy

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Apr 3, 2023 13:37:26   #
kb6kgx Loc: Simi Valley, CA
 
Picture Taker wrote:
Every shot must count. random shooting because you can, is just sloppy


I try to do exactly that. Even to the point of shooting single-frame when I can easily go to continuous. Even scenics… I just doing take random photos of things. I'm looking around to see what interests me, what someone else might like to see. I try to frame it right, with proper composition.

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Apr 3, 2023 13:43:00   #
BebuLamar
 
PhotogHobbyist wrote:
Agreed, one can do the planning, just as we did with film. The other side of the coin is that because digital is so easily reviewed, photographers will chimp and decide to take another shot if they think the first (or second or third...) is unacceptable. I practiced this for a play that asked me to do cast and publicity shots. I took three different images of several cast members jumping, trying to get each and evey one in the air at the same time. My first shot was successful but I thought I could get a better one. After the third try I stopped. The first one was the best.

Another example, my youngest son was married a couple weeks ago. He and his husband had two photographers and a videographer. I personally witnessed each photographer take photos and check the review screen then take another pic or three or more. I realize that weddings call for excellent shots so taking a few extra is prudent.

Simply recalling film days and thinking about the settings then taking the time would also be prudent, in many cases.
Agreed, one can do the planning, just as we did wi... (show quote)


My point is that while I love using film but the high cost of film and slowing down isn't the good things about film. I don't shoot film for that because I can slow down, doing planning and all those things with digital and I can choose to do it differently. So digital would be better in this respect.

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Apr 3, 2023 14:00:11   #
jack schade Loc: La Pine Oregon
 
The temptation to waste images is great with digital. But does not have to be. I am trying to take more time with each image. Going back to the way I shot film.


jack

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Apr 3, 2023 14:10:58   #
joemcl1
 
larryepage wrote:
I grew up in a small town in an agricultural area. Like lots of other kids, I learned to shoot a 22 caliber rifle. My first rifle was a single shot model, and I eventually earned a reputation as a "deadeye" shot with it. That was mostly as a matter of necessity, since if you missed your target, there was a multi-step process required to reload and shoot again. It was highly likely that the complete opportunity for a second shot would be lost during the time required.

I eventually progressed on to a rifle with a multi-cartridge magazine and a slide action reload mechanism. A quick second shot was no problem if I missed with the first one. You can guess that my level of care dropped, and took my first shot success rate with it. Even with the convenient reload mechanism, there was no assurance that a second shot would be available. An adjustment to my mental attitude, focusing on making the first shot successful even though a second one was available, corrected the problem and allowed me to regain my proficiency.

In other words, I had to regain authority over my equipment, to control it and, not allow it to control me. I strongly believe and consistently advocate here that the same is true in photography, which is much more a mental game than many will admit.
I grew up in a small town in an agricultural area.... (show quote)


Well said....particularly the "mental game" aspect

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Apr 3, 2023 14:12:09   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
kb6kgx wrote:
Pretty sure that Matthew Brady was never shot while photographing the war, nor were any of his assistants, far as I know. Could be wrong, just never heard about it. Dangerous? Sure it was.


I don't think Brady and his associates were out photographing during actual combat, like today's photojournalists do. They were mostly set up shots and the aftermath of battles. Some dead bodies, but not dodging bullets.

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Apr 3, 2023 14:17:19   #
joemcl1
 
billnikon wrote:
In a college course in Photography we were each give a 4X5 NEG. with the professors special marking on it to make sure we could not use additional 4X5 negs.
We were given an assignment and we had one shot to get it. Yes, pre planning was important, I still carry these lessons with me when ever I take a shot.
Like the one below, I positioned myself where I knew the Roseate Spoonbill would be taking off, I was in a semi-back lite position so I pre exposed for the shot before he lifted off.
The result was pleasing.
In a college course in Photography we were each gi... (show quote)

Bill, Wellsaid

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Apr 3, 2023 14:22:29   #
joemcl1
 
pdsdville wrote:
I sincerely believe that those of us who learned to shoot using film have an advantage over those learning with digital cameras. It taught us to think, to see the photo before we ever hit the shutter release. I hear of people going out on a morning shoot and taking hundreds of photos. I may take 50 or 60. If I can't see it in my mind, I don't take the shot. Saves a lot of time in post processing and eliminates a lot of junk photos. Just my opinion.


Excellent points!

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