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Mar 5, 2023 11:49:55   #
Steve DeMott Loc: St. Louis, Missouri (Oakville area)
 
ClarkJohnson wrote:
OK OK, comments that my friend is silly, misguided, etc., are all likely true, but that doesn't help the decision process. He's the type of guy who has gone back to school to get a doctorate just for fun, but he is not geeky by any means. He understands that he will be just dipping his toes in the water, and that is all he wants to do at this stage.

Bluntly, the cell phone, and any pocket camera, are too small (for him) to feel comfortable taking pictures. He has held one of my pocket cameras in his hands, and rejected it for size. So, please no more along those lines.

Let me re-frame the question. Can anyone recommend a point and shoot camera that is larger than a pocket camera that is easy to use to get satisfactory .jpegs? If he has a satisfactory experience, he would be happy to get more involved, but a poor experience will send him reluctantly back to his cell phone.

Thanks to the few who responded directly to the question.
OK OK, comments that my friend is silly, misguided... (show quote)


I can only comment about the Olympus bridge camera (don't remember the model) I used before migrating to a FF.
Had an excellent zoom function, Easy to use, Place in "P" mode for point & shoot yet had the "M", "A", "S" modes if needed. It even looked like a DSLR camera.

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Mar 5, 2023 11:53:39   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
ClarkJohnson wrote:
OK OK, comments that my friend is silly, misguided, etc., are all likely true, but that doesn't help the decision process. He's the type of guy who has gone back to school to get a doctorate just for fun, but he is not geeky by any means. He understands that he will be just dipping his toes in the water, and that is all he wants to do at this stage.

Bluntly, the cell phone, and any pocket camera, are too small (for him) to feel comfortable taking pictures. He has held one of my pocket cameras in his hands, and rejected it for size. So, please no more along those lines.

Let me re-frame the question. Can anyone recommend a point and shoot camera that is larger than a pocket camera that is easy to use to get satisfactory .jpegs? If he has a satisfactory experience, he would be happy to get more involved, but a poor experience will send him reluctantly back to his cell phone.

Thanks to the few who responded directly to the question.
OK OK, comments that my friend is silly, misguided... (show quote)



Just a thought for a small investment, less that some cameras with fixed lenses camera like the R50 with the RF-S 18-150mm. Leave the lens on and pretend it cannot be removed. But amazingly if the friend decides they like photography beyond the cell phone their investment can grow without ditching the camera and starting over. (What a concept!!!!!). If they do not like it then no loss beyond any other camera. Or if the R50 is too small the R10 w/18-150mm lens is a big step up and still relatively cheap.
Ease of use? set to the green A and shoot.
Either will not break the bank and are comparable in price to many fixed lens cameras with any sort of capability and just pretend the lens cannot be removed.

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Mar 5, 2023 11:56:20   #
PHRubin Loc: Nashville TN USA
 
If he must get a "real camera" but not a pocketable, how about the Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ2500? 1" sensor and similar to the RX10 IV at about 1/2 the price?

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Mar 5, 2023 11:57:34   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
gvarner wrote:
As already suggested, the Sony DSC-HX400 is still a good choice.


Is that even still being made?

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Mar 5, 2023 12:00:45   #
jjanovy Loc: Lincoln, Nebraska
 
Nikon P900

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Mar 5, 2023 12:58:45   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
ClarkJohnson wrote:
OK OK, comments that my friend is silly, misguided, etc., are all likely true, but that doesn't help the decision process. He's the type of guy who has gone back to school to get a doctorate just for fun, but he is not geeky by any means. He understands that he will be just dipping his toes in the water, and that is all he wants to do at this stage.

Bluntly, the cell phone, and any pocket camera, are too small (for him) to feel comfortable taking pictures. He has held one of my pocket cameras in his hands, and rejected it for size. So, please no more along those lines.

Let me re-frame the question. Can anyone recommend a point and shoot camera that is larger than a pocket camera that is easy to use to get satisfactory .jpegs? If he has a satisfactory experience, he would be happy to get more involved, but a poor experience will send him reluctantly back to his cell phone.

Thanks to the few who responded directly to the question.
OK OK, comments that my friend is silly, misguided... (show quote)


Alas, today in 2023, the market is for smaller and lighter. Getting rid of that flapping mirror has done a lot for still photography. Everyone doing video wants small and lighter they can hand hold with external mic and monitor. Your friend is trying to swim in the wrong direction, if rejecting an interchangeable lens camera, but wanting size.

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Mar 5, 2023 13:10:03   #
bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA
 
ClarkJohnson wrote:
OK OK, comments that my friend is silly, misguided, etc., are all likely true, but that doesn't help the decision process. He's the type of guy who has gone back to school to get a doctorate just for fun, but he is not geeky by any means. He understands that he will be just dipping his toes in the water, and that is all he wants to do at this stage.

Bluntly, the cell phone, and any pocket camera, are too small (for him) to feel comfortable taking pictures. He has held one of my pocket cameras in his hands, and rejected it for size. So, please no more along those lines.

Let me re-frame the question. Can anyone recommend a point and shoot camera that is larger than a pocket camera that is easy to use to get satisfactory .jpegs? If he has a satisfactory experience, he would be happy to get more involved, but a poor experience will send him reluctantly back to his cell phone.

Thanks to the few who responded directly to the question.
OK OK, comments that my friend is silly, misguided... (show quote)


"Can anyone recommend a point and shoot camera that is larger than a pocket camera that is easy to use to get satisfactory .jpegs?"

How about 6! I took that as an excuse to look at what is currently in production, readily available, with a good reputation and that I would enjoy shooting JPEGS.

Sony Cyber-shot DSC-RX10 IV at $1700. Tops in the category. My wife has one. She puts it on automatic and takes fantastic JPEGs.

Nikon COOLPIX P1000 at $1000. The previous P900 has lots of fans. Very good but not as good as the Sony above.

Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ2500 at $900. I like Panasonic cameras.

Canon PowerShot SX70 HS at $600. The previous SX50 was very popular and its a Canon.

Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ300 at $450. I had the FZ150 predecessor and my granddaughter still uses it well.

Panasonic Lumix DC-FZ80 at $400. Still a Panasonic and if all I had was $400 this would be my choice.

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Mar 5, 2023 13:21:26   #
kb6kgx Loc: Simi Valley, CA
 
fourlocks wrote:
Zeiss lens


Actually a “Carl Zeiss”. Reason I mention that is that I’ve seen some Sony (or other) camera where the lens is labeled as “Zeiss” only.

I’d like to know if there is a difference between “Zeiss” and “Carl Zeiss” or was that just a simple marketing decision and there isn’t any difference at all?

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Mar 5, 2023 15:45:12   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
If it doesn't have to be a fixed lens camera he could consider one of the smaller m4/3 cameras with a 12-100 lens (24-200mm FF equiv). If he liked it he has a system that he can add to as he wishes. If that lens was too big there's the 12-60mm (24-120 FF equiv).

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Mar 5, 2023 16:14:35   #
bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA
 
R.G. wrote:
If it doesn't have to be a fixed lens camera he could consider one of the smaller m4/3 cameras with a 12-100 lens (24-200mm FF equiv). If he liked it he has a system that he can add to as he wishes. If that lens was too big there's the 12-60mm (24-120 FF equiv).


That was my first thought on this thread. The sensor is enough bigger than a smart phone that there would be a difference. (Panasonic Lumix G85 Mirrorless Camera with 12-60mm Lens) But, the OP says no ILC!

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Mar 5, 2023 23:59:18   #
Cany143 Loc: SE Utah
 
While replies thus far have suggested one brand or other of 'bridge camera', I'd suggest something more substantial. I'd suggest you or your friend --who, owing to the fact that he/she acquired a PhD 'for fun', and whom I'd thus consider to be something other than a dunce-- look into any of the variety of the Fuji mirrorless digital cameras that can be had --new or used-- at reasonable rates. While I'd strongly 'suggest' one model or another that allows for the (eventual?) acquisition of longer/shorter lenses, one of the fixed lens models could certainly fit the bill. Why Fuji? why not something else when there are others equally capable? Hundreds of reasons, none of which much realistically matter so long as your friend has the intelligence to put whichever camera he chooses into Auto (or Program) mode, then begins to learn to see. And while beginning to see, he/she may become able to do a whole lot more, and will have a tool with which to expand.

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Mar 6, 2023 05:24:55   #
Capn_Dave
 
He could try the Sony Mavica It even stores photos on a floppy disk

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Mar 6, 2023 05:48:40   #
Captain Bernie
 
Clark, I jus sent you a private message.

Bernie
Bernie.Weiss.Photos@Gmail.com

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Mar 6, 2023 05:50:04   #
Captain Bernie
 
Clark, I just sent you a private message.

Bernie
Bernie.Weiss.Photos@Gmail.com

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Mar 6, 2023 07:43:32   #
rlv567 Loc: Baguio City, Philippines
 
ClarkJohnson wrote:
OK OK, comments that my friend is silly, misguided, etc., are all likely true, but that doesn't help the decision process. He's the type of guy who has gone back to school to get a doctorate just for fun, but he is not geeky by any means. He understands that he will be just dipping his toes in the water, and that is all he wants to do at this stage.

Bluntly, the cell phone, and any pocket camera, are too small (for him) to feel comfortable taking pictures. He has held one of my pocket cameras in his hands, and rejected it for size. So, please no more along those lines.

Let me re-frame the question. Can anyone recommend a point and shoot camera that is larger than a pocket camera that is easy to use to get satisfactory .jpegs? If he has a satisfactory experience, he would be happy to get more involved, but a poor experience will send him reluctantly back to his cell phone.

Thanks to the few who responded directly to the question.
OK OK, comments that my friend is silly, misguided... (show quote)


I can't comment directly on any of the newer cameras because both of mine are older (but very good!!!) - Canon 70D and Canon G16. Whatever the current equivalent of the G16 is would be perfect for his requirements. It takes excellent pictures in the fully auto mode, but has the capability of doing very much more - easily.

Loren - in Beautiful Baguio City

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