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Feb 14, 2023 08:25:17   #
coolhanduke Loc: Redondo Beach, CA
 
Use a ladder to be higher than the group or try to find some bleachers.
Tell everyone to make sure they can see through the person in front of them.

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Feb 14, 2023 09:20:07   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
coolhanduke wrote:
Use a ladder to be higher than the group or try to find some bleachers.
Tell everyone to make sure they can see through past the person in front of them.

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Feb 14, 2023 10:05:38   #
mrozzoo Loc: Illinois
 
hello everyone... I do and have done several large groups in the past and currently.

tips:

groups of 50-60 use two rows of chairs, the front sits on the chairs even on the spaces between the chairs, cheek to cheek fill the seats. 2nd row stands behind the chairs... 3rd row stands on the chairs... the suggestion for 3rd-row chairs, turn the chairs backward to let the people step up on them. 1st row st on the floor in front of the people seated on the chairs. I usually ask for all the good-looking people to sit here this way they tend to volunteer to sit on the floor. For larger people, I make sure they sit or stand behind the sitting people.

If using a strobe make sure the right and left sides of the groups are exposed the same. Don't want your flash point to be one direction more. Standing on a chair or short ladder does help.

A 35mm focal length with an F stop of 11-13 for depth of field works great.

Double-check that everyone's face is between the people in front of them. DO NOT totem pole people's heads.

Slow down with your placement of people, double-check head placement take several images checking for exposure and head placement. Have glass wearing people tilt the glasses down a bit by raising their ear pieces or tippin their chin down.

TIP: "We have to do it again someone was scratching their nose" then take another. " one more time that good-looking person moved" etc.... just buying time to review and let the flash recycle.

good luck have fun

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Feb 14, 2023 10:16:56   #
Floyd Loc: Misplaced Texan in Florence, Alabama
 
To elaborate on a previous suggestion: Taking pictures of church groups from10 to 35 people), I've had very good luck in catching all eyes open. I tell the group that in a few minutes I'm going to ask everyone to close their eyes, then open their eyes on the count of "3". I then ask everyone to close their eyes, and immediately count 1, 2, Open! Try it.

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Feb 14, 2023 10:20:57   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
mrozzoo wrote:
hello everyone... I do and have done several large groups in the past and currently.

tips:

groups of 50-60 use two rows of chairs, the front sits on the chairs even on the spaces between the chairs, cheek to cheek fill the seats. 2nd row stands behind the chairs... 3rd row stands on the chairs... the suggestion for 3rd-row chairs, turn the chairs backward to let the people step up on them. 1st row st on the floor in front of the people seated on the chairs. I usually ask for all the good-looking people to sit here this way they tend to volunteer to sit on the floor. For larger people, I make sure they sit or stand behind the sitting people.

If using a strobe make sure the right and left sides of the groups are exposed the same. Don't want your flash point to be one direction more. Standing on a chair or short ladder does help.

A 35mm focal length with an F stop of 11-13 for depth of field works great.

Double-check that everyone's face is between the people in front of them. DO NOT totem pole people's heads.

Slow down with your placement of people, double-check head placement take several images checking for exposure and head placement. Have glass wearing people tilt the glasses down a bit by raising their ear pieces or tippin their chin down.

TIP: "We have to do it again someone was scratching their nose" then take another. " one more time that good-looking person moved" etc.... just buying time to review and let the flash recycle.

good luck have fun
hello everyone... I do and have done several large... (show quote)


I would be extremely cautious about having anyone stand on a chair.
They are not designed to stand on, depending on type can collapse or move etc.
This for liability is extremely foolish.

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Feb 14, 2023 10:43:05   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
mwsilvers wrote:
Keep in mind the potential of volume deformation or distortion towards the edges of the frame when capturing a large group with a wide angle lens. You don't want the folks towards the extreme left and right of the image to look like they gained a hundred pounds each for the photograph. You might want to stand far enough back so no one is near the left and right frame edge. You can always crop the photo later. Of course perhaps your lenses don't generate a lot of that type of distortion, but it's very common with very wide angle lenses and your 10-24mm may have it. And don't forget to stop down so everyone's in sharp focus.
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These people were posed in an arc to help prevent volume deformation.


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Feb 14, 2023 11:02:38   #
azted Loc: Las Vegas, NV.
 
Be sure there are no distractions like open doors, backpacks on floor, etc.
Take a half shot of the group of each side, so that later in editing you can replace someone who might have their eyes closed, or is distorted.
Make sure you have plenty of room to walk backwards to fit the group in.
Do not have a building behind the group that might reflect a lot of light.
If using on camera flash, have a large reflector to spread the light.

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Feb 14, 2023 11:02:53   #
rcarol
 
RobertH wrote:
Hey all,

I’ve been voluntold to take a couple of group photo’s to be able to present to my boss for his retirement. The largest group could be around 55 people. I’m an advanced enthusiast with a Nikon D7500 (crop sensor). Available lenses are a 10-24 wide, 50mm 1.8, and 18-140 kit. (I figure the 28-300 and the 150-600 won’t be much use for this. ).

For location, I’ll have to find someplace suitable in one of the Orlando theme parks, for an AM, outdoor shoot. Any useful suggestions on how to pose and shoot the group would be appreciated.
Hey all, br br I’ve been voluntold to take a coup... (show quote)


Tell all of the people "Make sure you can see me (the photographer). If you can't see me, I can't see you."

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Feb 14, 2023 11:09:32   #
manofhg Loc: Knoxville, TN
 
This past weekend, I shot a father-daughter dance. Other than candids and some portraits, I didn't know what would be expected. They asked for a group shot in a dark room, where I had been shooting the candids. I put on my 20mm and got up on the stage which was as high as I could have gotten and took the attached. Used my flash shooting straight up. Is it as good as it could have been? No, but it was adequately lit and the folks I shot it for were happy. I didn't pose them, but might should have moved them closer to the stage except then I would have probably had to shoot two shots and stitched them together to get everyone.


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Feb 14, 2023 11:21:44   #
photoman43
 
autofocus wrote:
If there's a way for you to shoot from an elevated position with you looking down on the group and all their faces looking up at you would be good. This way none of the faces will be hidden ~or~ what about a local school that might have outdoor bleachers, I've never done it that way, but it could work with a large crowd. Of course, watch your DOF, if you're setup is 3-4 rows deep, I think an aperture of between f/8- f/11 should be fine, and maybe focus on a person in the middle of the group and in the second row. As mentioned above, watch the distortion on wide angle lenses. Good luck!
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And another benefit from the shooting down vantage point is that any distracting backgrounds will disappear.

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Feb 14, 2023 11:30:03   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
manofhg wrote:
This past weekend, I shot a father-daughter dance. Other than candids and some portraits, I didn't know what would be expected. They asked for a group shot in a dark room, where I had been shooting the candids. I put on my 20mm and got up on the stage which was as high as I could have gotten and took the attached. Used my flash shooting straight up. Is it as good as it could have been? No, but it was adequately lit and the folks I shot it for were happy. I didn't pose them, but might should have moved them closer to the stage except then I would have probably had to shoot two shots and stitched them together to get everyone.
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Great shot!

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Feb 14, 2023 11:44:16   #
Desert Gecko Loc: desert southwest, USA
 
Use an intervalometer to shoot photo after photo, even when your group thinks a photo isn't being taken.

Consider camera angle. I set up mine on a tripod in the bed of my pickup for a informal group shot at a large family gathering. It's easier to get all the faces from a higher angle.

Have them do something. They can look up to the side and point at something in the distant sky. They can use a hand as a sun visor. They can glare at the camera instead of smiling -- a group wearing funny scowls makes for an interesting photo that's far more memorable than one with traditional smiles.

Again, take lots and lots of shots. You can still prep the group with a "say cheese," but you should already be shooting, so an intervalometer is key.

Finally, consider using Photoshop for a face swap or two. Let's say you have a perfect photo but for that one guy whose eyes are closed. What do you do? Choose between that photo and a lessor one that has everyone's eyes open? Or do you pull his eyes or face from another shot and slap it over his face on the eyes-closed shot? Even a novice can follow a YouTube tutorial and swap a face.

[edit: One more thing. Consider aperture to make sure all faces, front to rear, are in focus. Depending on focal length, distance to subjects, and focus point, something like two stops from the lens' max aperture (smallest f-number) is probably reasonable.]

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Feb 14, 2023 12:10:54   #
Luft93 Loc: Finger Lakes, NY
 
RobertH wrote:
Hey all,

I’ve been voluntold to take a couple of group photo’s to be able to present to my boss for his retirement. The largest group could be around 55 people. I’m an advanced enthusiast with a Nikon D7500 (crop sensor). Available lenses are a 10-24 wide, 50mm 1.8, and 18-140 kit. (I figure the 28-300 and the 150-600 won’t be much use for this. ).

For location, I’ll have to find someplace suitable in one of the Orlando theme parks, for an AM, outdoor shoot. Any useful suggestions on how to pose and shoot the group would be appreciated.
Hey all, br br I’ve been voluntold to take a coup... (show quote)


The first thing that comes to mind is to tell people that just because they cane see the camera doesn’t mean the camera sees them. Those in back rows need to ensure that there is an opening in front of them so their face will be seen.

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Feb 14, 2023 13:02:44   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
mrozzoo wrote:
.... just buying time to review and let the flash recycle.

good luck have fun


Since you're going to try a lot of shots, try this: set your ISO to the highest level compatible with image quality. Set your camera to a fast burst. Take 3-4 burst shots with your camera. At high ISO the flash should be able to loaf, so you can get several shots on one charge. The primary cause of blinking is the preflash. A burst will take a shot long enough after the preflash blink to get a shot with the eyes open.

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Feb 14, 2023 15:02:26   #
mrozzoo Loc: Illinois
 
full power on your strobe not auto all TTL....

standing on safe chairs....

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