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Feb 5, 2023 05:49:58   #
... meanwhile somewhere in Norway Loc: none
 
jcboy3 wrote:
Most digital cameras do not have shutters; it's the DSLR that is the exception. And it has both a shutter and a mirror. It makes quite a racket. Mirrorless interchangable lens cameras (MILCs) have eliminated the mirror, and provide an option to eliminate the shutter. Older MILC cameras had slow sensor readouts, serious rolling shutter effects, and needed a mechanical shutter. Newer camera have faster sensor readouts, with less need for a mechanical shutter.

I shoot many shows, especially acoustic concerts, and primarily use MILC electronic shutter to avoid making noise. It is the noise pollution that is the problem, and yes, one day, we may see restrictions on the use of DSLRs due to the noise.
Most digital cameras do not have shutters; it's th... (show quote)


Another misconception...
All DLSR'S are not created equal. The Canon 1DXMk3 has a choice of electronic, first curtain, and mechanical. In live view you can use a monitor or an external EVF.

If you really want to see the differences between the three shutter modes, take a shot of your television screen with shutter speed above and below 200/ sec... Each will reveal their shortcomings.

Mirrorless are wonderful, but it's not the shutter that makes them desirable, it's the built in EVF live view and the lens mount.

The Global shutter will make all current mirrorless obsolete, and that will be sooner than later from what I suspect.

Mirrorless are like the music CD ... mirrorless will evolve into a whole new animal someday soon...

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Feb 5, 2023 06:19:27   #
jcboy3
 
... meanwhile somewhere in Norway wrote:
Another misconception...
All DLSR'S are not created equal. The Canon 1DXMk3 has a choice of electronic, first curtain, and mechanical. In live view you can use a monitor or an external EVF.

If you really want to see the differences between the three shutter modes, take a shot of your television screen with shutter speed above and below 200/ sec... Each will reveal their shortcomings.

Mirrorless are wonderful, but it's not the shutter that makes them desirable, it's the built in EVF live view and the lens mount.

The Global shutter will make all current mirrorless obsolete, and that will be sooner than later from what I suspect.

Mirrorless are like the music CD ... mirrorless will evolve into a whole new animal someday soon...
Another misconception... br All DLSR'S are not cre... (show quote)


The Canon 1DXMk3 has a mirror and a shutter. No misconception. Yes, DSLRs can be shot in Live View, and can be quite effective for video. But, they lose AF capability, as well as the use of the viewfinder, and then you have to contend with the LCD monitor (which can be quite distracting in low light situations).

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Feb 5, 2023 08:04:48   #
pj81156 Loc: St. Petersburg, FL
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Those who don't want a mirrorless camera don't want to succeed.

You can self-select for failure. Your choice.


Sometimes I think you believe what you write. You really can’t mean this.

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Feb 5, 2023 09:18:57   #
StanMac Loc: Tennessee
 
... meanwhile somewhere in Norway wrote:
. . . Are we being fed as consumers to drive profits? ...


Well, yeah! Isn’t that what capitalism and commerce are about?

Stan

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Feb 5, 2023 09:33:30   #
petrochemist Loc: UK
 
Longshadow wrote:
What's a digit or three between friends....


That very much depends on the location of the digit or three
1/125 or 1/128 is pretty much always meaningless.
f/1.7 or f/1.4 is likely to be over $100 (& f/2 to f/1 much more)

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Feb 5, 2023 09:46:01   #
HRBIEL Loc: Rapid City, SD
 
Give me the AR-15 staccato bark of my D500 over the wussy whining of a mirrorless camera any day! Now that’s a MAN’s camera!

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Feb 5, 2023 09:47:20   #
... meanwhile somewhere in Norway Loc: none
 
jcboy3 wrote:
The Canon 1DXMk3 has a mirror and a shutter. No misconception. Yes, DSLRs can be shot in Live View, and can be quite effective for video. But, they lose AF capability, as well as the use of the viewfinder, and then you have to contend with the LCD monitor (which can be quite distracting in low light situations).


True, but it works fine for me. My 2200 nit monitor has performed perfectly in the brightest conditions and can be dimmed for the lowest light. I do also have a mechanical shutter for fast action with no buffer limit, unlike most mirrorless... autofocus is 100& accurate and does a spectacular job with the eye AI.

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Feb 5, 2023 12:21:34   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
HRBIEL wrote:
Give me the AR-15 staccato bark of my D500 over the wussy whining of a mirrorless camera any day! Now that’s a MAN’s camera!


Sillier bravado was never written. You would stand out like a turd in a punch bowl if you fired off a loud dSLR burst at a wedding ceremony, or during a stage play (even if you had permission to photograph the play).

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Feb 5, 2023 12:51:56   #
jcboy3
 
burkphoto wrote:
Sillier bravado was never written. You would stand out like a turd in a punch bowl if you fired off a loud dSLR burst at a wedding ceremony, or during a stage play (even if you had permission to photograph the play).


I just point to White House press conferences, where it's impossible to hear what's being said over the constant clacking of DSLR burst shooting. They need to ban them.

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Feb 5, 2023 13:10:21   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
jcboy3 wrote:
I just point to White House press conferences, where it's impossible to hear what's being said over the constant clacking of DSLR burst shooting. They need to ban them.


It is Feb 2023 and gwilliams6 points out most everyday, all these news organizations have supposedly gone to Sony mirrorless. Even though, we see (hear) the news to the contrary on a daily basis ...

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Feb 5, 2023 14:07:26   #
HRBIEL Loc: Rapid City, SD
 
burkphoto wrote:
Sillier bravado was never written. You would stand out like a turd in a punch bowl if you fired off a loud dSLR burst at a wedding ceremony, or during a stage play (even if you had permission to photograph the play).


Oh, you thought I was serious? No, I just wanted to inject a little levity to emphasize a serious topic. Can we lighten up a little? I mostly shoot with a Z6ii. In silent mode I have no idea how many shots I just took.

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Feb 5, 2023 14:50:36   #
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HRBIEL wrote:
Give me the AR-15 staccato bark of my D500 over the wussy whining of a mirrorless camera any day! Now that’s a MAN’s camera!

You loooove being a magnet for our most humor impaired hogsters. Good for you. Keep on keepin on !!!

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Feb 5, 2023 14:51:50   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
jcboy3 wrote:
I just point to White House press conferences, where it's impossible to hear what's being said over the constant clacking of DSLR burst shooting. They need to ban them.


I'll agree to that! By the time the network and local TV broadcasters compress the hell out of the audio, the shutters are almost as loud as the folks at the podium or in the Oval Office!

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Feb 5, 2023 14:51:54   #
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burkphoto wrote:
Sillier bravado was never written. You would stand out like a turd in a punch bowl if you fired off a loud dSLR burst at a wedding ceremony, or during a stage play (even if you had permission to photograph the play).

Humor impaired much ?

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Feb 5, 2023 14:53:27   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
User ID wrote:
Humor impaired much ?


Yeah, probably...

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