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Jan 24, 2023 19:00:21   #
alberio Loc: Casa Grande AZ
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
Unless you have an Olympus with Starry Night Focus.


Interesting.

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Jan 24, 2023 21:09:33   #
delder Loc: Maryland
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Manual exposure and manual focus have nothing in common other than they both involve cameras.


I agree! Manual Focus is far more initiative to me than Auto Exposure.

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Jan 24, 2023 21:19:32   #
Charles 46277 Loc: Fulton County, KY
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
Unless you have an Olympus with Starry Night Focus.


Hey--excellent cameras could be made cheaply with no adjustments at all. Each camera would work just for one situation, such as sunny beaches or snow scenes, birthday cakes with flash, night skies, etc. Just use the one with the right aperture, shutter speed, focus distance, etc. Nothing to set.

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Jan 24, 2023 22:17:46   #
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druthven wrote:
I personally think this is a brilliant idea. Very few people carry around a hyperfocal distance chart so the photographer is forced to guesstimate a setting. It might not be a commonly used setting but could be quite valuable for landscape photography.

If you cant guesstimate, you will almost certainly misuse the hard data.

Valuable for landscapes ?!? ROTFLMFAO. Just use your digital Polaroid. Press the button and then pixel peep the playback.

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Jan 24, 2023 22:30:47   #
delder Loc: Maryland
 
Charles 46277 wrote:
Hey--excellent cameras could be made cheaply with no adjustments at all. Each camera would work just for one situation, such as sunny beaches or snow scenes, birthday cakes with flash, night skies, etc. Just use the one with the right aperture, shutter speed, focus distance, etc. Nothing to set.


YES, Pinhole Cameras!
We made them out of Coffee Cans!

Nice bright sunny day, adjust apature with a nail, Special Paper produced a finished upside down photo.

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Jan 24, 2023 23:05:08   #
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delder wrote:
YES, Pinhole Cameras!
We made them out of Coffee Cans!

Nice bright sunny day, adjust apature with a nail, Special Paper produced a finished upside down photo.

When I did that, pix were not upside down. But they were mirror imaged. Perhaps you had your coffee can set upside down ? OTOH it might be your Special Paper. Im unfamiliar with that.

Acoarst most any pic will appear to be upside down if youre holding it upside down. Sometimes that happens.

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Jan 24, 2023 23:13:08   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
druthven wrote:
I personally think this is a brilliant idea. Very few people carry around a hyperfocal distance chart so the photographer is forced to guesstimate a setting. It might not be a commonly used setting but could be quite valuable for landscape photography.


The thing with that chart is it’s only as valuable as your knowledge of the scene. Unless you know how far away the front is and how far the back is it’s just guesswork anyway. Just pick a spot between 30-40% of the way in and focus there. It’ll be close enough.

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Jan 24, 2023 23:15:51   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
Charles 46277 wrote:
Hey--excellent cameras could be made cheaply with no adjustments at all. Each camera would work just for one situation, such as sunny beaches or snow scenes, birthday cakes with flash, night skies, etc. Just use the one with the right aperture, shutter speed, focus distance, etc. Nothing to set.


So I’d have to carry a camera for each type of scene I might come across. No thanks. I’ll just carry one of my cameras that excel in many different situations.

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Jan 25, 2023 01:43:23   #
kymarto Loc: Portland OR and Milan Italy
 
Charles 46277 wrote:
Ah, now I understand you.

The lens in question can be manually focused, but you select it in the camera menu, not a switch on the lens.
For most photographers, I assume focus is hardly critical in a 17mm full frame camera, as most planes will be quite sharp, even if approximate. That is a great advantage of the lens for a start, for everyday use.

I accept what you say about video--not my thing--but I assume when you are shooting video it is no problem to set that in the camera controls? If you are frequently switching back and forth, I can see how a switch on the lens is better. If I ever try video, I can set it in the camera--but surely when everything looks sharp in the frame, it is hard to focus manually with any degree of precision? (I can set the view screen to 10x magnification, if that helps.)

On the other hand, if there is a switch that can be set wrong, I am prone to have it set wrong. That is a reason not to have it if you can leave it out. My one and only wedding was my brother's, and no one else took pictures, and I had the camera set on the wrong shutter speed for flash synchronization with that model (not my usual camera)--no pictures. (It was a surprise wedding--we thought it was a birthday party--so I was trying out a different camera and only had Kodachrome 25 in dim evening light outside.) I had no desire to go into that field, but as it happened nobody ever asked me to.

I have some great Canon L lenses with a close-up switch for macro, so that is something else to go wrong, even if in theory it is a great feature.
Ah, now I understand you. br br The lens in quest... (show quote)


It is impossible to accurately follow focus using camera controls. I sometimes use very wide lenses, down to 12mm, in video, and even then hyper focal distance is not absolute. 17mm is not that wide. Obviously Canon wanted to save money by eliminating the focus ring. I'm just saying that this is a lens that is not suitable for video work. People who only use AF, which is many, will have no problem and will appreciate the cost saving, no doubt. After all, phones are used for everything and have no focus rings either.

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Jan 25, 2023 02:06:00   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
kymarto wrote:
It is impossible to accurately follow focus using camera controls. I sometimes use very wide lenses, down to 12mm, in video, and even then hyper focal distance is not absolute. 17mm is not that wide. Obviously Canon wanted to save money by eliminating the focus ring. I'm just saying that this is a lens that is not suitable for video work. People who only use AF, which is many, will have no problem and will appreciate the cost saving, no doubt. After all, phones are used for everything and have no focus rings either.
It is impossible to accurately follow focus using ... (show quote)


I’m pretty sure it wasn’t designed for pro video work.

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Jan 25, 2023 10:41:06   #
Charles 46277 Loc: Fulton County, KY
 
delder wrote:
YES, Pinhole Cameras!
We made them out of Coffee Cans!

Nice bright sunny day, adjust apature with a nail, Special Paper produced a finished upside down photo.


Sadly, who wants upside down photos?

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Jan 25, 2023 10:50:48   #
Charles 46277 Loc: Fulton County, KY
 
User ID wrote:
If you cant guesstimate, you will almost certainly misuse the hard data.

Valuable for landscapes ?!? ROTFLMFAO. Just use your digital Polaroid. Press the button and then pixel peep the playback.


When lenses had hyperfocal guides on the focus ring, I used them mainly for outdoor scenes... Using large format, I used a chart or wheel for the data. It is not always easy to see the focus when stopped way down, so I compose and focus wide open, or partly stopped down...

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Jan 25, 2023 11:00:55   #
Charles 46277 Loc: Fulton County, KY
 
kymarto wrote:
It is impossible to accurately follow focus using camera controls. I sometimes use very wide lenses, down to 12mm, in video, and even then hyper focal distance is not absolute. 17mm is not that wide. Obviously Canon wanted to save money by eliminating the focus ring. I'm just saying that this is a lens that is not suitable for video work. People who only use AF, which is many, will have no problem and will appreciate the cost saving, no doubt. After all, phones are used for everything and have no focus rings either.
It is impossible to accurately follow focus using ... (show quote)


They did not eliminate the focus ring--just the switch to manual (the override from autofocus). Instead of the lens switch, the switch is in the camera. Naturally we like a focus ring that responds to manual without any switch, but I still believe that I will almost never manually focus it unless it is on a tripod for carefully composed shots, in which case the change to manual is a piece of cake.

One feature it has that is good for video is STM focus, which is quieter. (Yes, it is cheaper, and I don't mind that they made the lens a lot cheaper by skipping the rarely used features while still being super-sharp. Even IS is for me unnecessary for a lens so wide that hand-holding is easy even at 1/20 second).

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Jan 25, 2023 11:23:46   #
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Charles 46277 wrote:
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Even IS is for me unnecessary for a lens so wide that hand-holding is easy even at 1/20 second).

Isnt that 17 intended for use on a line of cameras with IBIS anywho ? You wouldnt be limited to 1/20 sec. Effective IS (IBIS, OIS, or dual) should get you 1/8 or 1/4.

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Jan 25, 2023 14:27:13   #
Charles 46277 Loc: Fulton County, KY
 
User ID wrote:
Isnt that 17 intended for use on a line of cameras with IBIS anywho ? You wouldnt be limited to 1/20 sec. Effective IS (IBIS, OIS, or dual) should get you 1/8 or 1/4.


No, apparently it does not have IS. But I would not use such low speeds without a tripod anyway--I would resort to ISO rather than shutter speeds that slow. Even with high shutter speeds, I prefer a tripod for that bit of extra edge. I guess it is a habit from the old days.

Oh, wait--you mean IBIS in the camera? I had not thought about that (not a feature of my Rebel series 650D). Yes, it is made for the mirrorless cameras. Does it assist automatically or do you have to do something in the camera for IBIS? Mine is just the R model, their first mirrorless, so it may not have it.

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