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WHAT IS THE CONCENCUS OF THE BEST MIRRORLESS CAMERA, CANON R5 OR EQUIVILENT SONY.
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Jan 15, 2023 13:44:37   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
burkphoto wrote:
There is nothing wrong with JPEGs, other than how some people misuse them.

JPEG is a tool, just as raw data formats are tools. It has its place in the tool box. Used correctly, it can serve a valuable purpose.

JPEG was primarily conceived as a distribution format for finished image files. The idea was to export a JPEG from a TIFF or other bitmap format, and use that to display on the Internet or to order prints from a lab. That was before digital cameras got popular.

When digital cameras were developed, at first there was an absolute need to retrieve and process raw files. But it wasn't long before camera companies put a processor in the camera and saved JPEGs there. They were meant to be previews that would not be post-processed. But users got lazy, and demanded better JPEGs.

Today, we have pretty decent in-camera processors that churn out pretty good JPEGs — if you set the exposure and white balance and other menu parameters correctly. But you still have more control over output when you process a raw file. The bad news is that, because you have that control, you have to process raw files.

Many folks just have an aversion to computers and all the complexity and expense that good post-processing entails.
There is nothing wrong with JPEGs, other than how ... (show quote)


I didn't really have to go through that since my second and third digital cameras (after a small bridge camera that put out TIFF of all things) were a Sigma SD10 which only did raw and a SD14 which did jpeg, but I set it to raw only so I didn't have to change things or remember which camera an image came from. I had 8 lenses for the two of them. When I switched to Canon, I traded the SD14 and 5 lenses toward a 6D & 24-105 f/4L. They didn't want the SD10, so I pulled 3 lenses back out of the trade to be able to use it as an emergency back up camera. A few times when I was going somewhere my camera might get damaged, I took the SD10 and a small Panasonic pocket zoom-in my shirt pocket.

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Jan 15, 2023 13:47:23   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
"More lenses" doesn't get my attention. Do I need a hundred lenses? As long as I have wide, normal, and tele, I'm satisfied.

As I always say, read reviews and comparisons. Look for comparisons of the two models you're considering and see what advantages each has. One might have a higher FPS rate, but if that doesn't matter to you, then disregard it. Ultimately, you could flip a coin, and the pictures you take would be very good.

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Jan 15, 2023 14:06:52   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
burkphoto wrote:
Many folks just have an aversion to computers and all the complexity and expense that good post-processing entails.


Yes, I would venture to say most raw promoters are computer geeks who incidentally happen to take pictures vs photographers who incidentally use a computer .....

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Jan 15, 2023 14:11:01   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
SIMIBILL wrote:
I am considering buying a high-quality mirrorless camera. Being a Canon user for many years, of course, I am considering the Canon R5. But many reviews online say Sony mirrorless cameras are superior, and more lenses, including Tamron and Sigma, are available.
Please share your experience and opinions with me.


IOW, what makes the best mirrorless camera the best is HIGHLY dependant on the available lenses in use .....IMO.

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Jan 15, 2023 14:21:27   #
tgreenhaw
 
Few people except maybe for potentially biased reviewers have used both cameras extensively. Like you, I have an investment in Canon lenses and went with the R5. I am absolutely delighted. I've seen the results from Sony cameras and they are excellent but I personally have no remorse or envy.

My R5 has replaced a 5Ds and I wanted better autofocus and video capability. It has accomplished that and much more.

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Jan 15, 2023 15:17:06   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
imagemeister wrote:
Yes, I would venture to say most raw promoters are computer geeks who incidentally happen to take pictures vs photographers who incidentally use a computer .....


Not necessarily. 8 bit JPEGs severely limit what post processing can be done. Take a noisy or unsharp image and export both a raw and a JPEG and then try to “fix” it with sophisticated sharpening and/or noise reduction tools such as Topaz AI products, and the difference will be obvious. Not saying that every image needs to be raw (there’s certainly a place for JPEGs), but JPEGs do limit what can be done in post processing.

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Jan 15, 2023 15:22:06   #
steveo52 Loc: Rhode Island and Ocala Florida
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Michael Jordon got better in the gym, not in the shoe store.


You make a good point!!

Off topic, I just noticed the photos of the prime rib you took for your Christmas dinner. Never mind the camera cut me piece of that rib roast.


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Jan 15, 2023 16:02:28   #
OwlHarbor Loc: Pacific North West USA
 
The one that's not out yet. Tony Northrup a strong supporter of Sony posted this about the rumored new Canon R5 Mark II https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAoDHKkRJtU I'm a long-time Canon owner current camera is a 90D.

It comes down to what you want and what you need and the money you can or will spend. If you make your living on taking photos it's a return on investment and a business expense. If it's a hobby it can be the same thing, do it just for the joy in life.

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Jan 15, 2023 16:16:42   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
jerryc41 wrote:
"More lenses" doesn't get my attention. Do I need a hundred lenses? As long as I have wide, normal, and tele, I'm satisfied.

As I always say, read reviews and comparisons. Look for comparisons of the two models you're considering and see what advantages each has. One might have a higher FPS rate, but if that doesn't matter to you, then disregard it. Ultimately, you could flip a coin, and the pictures you take would be very good.


Most people do use one lens most of the time. After all, you can use just one lens AT a time. If you tend to photograph the same sort of material most of the time, the same lens tends to get used for that.

I have two of the "holy trinity" zoom ranges for Micro 4/3 — 12-35mm f/2.8, and 35-100mm f/2.8, plus a 30mm f/2.8 macro lens and a 42.5mm f/1.7 portrait lens. (Double all those numbers to get the equivalent field of view on full frame.) Since I don't photograph birds and wildlife or sports, I normally don't need anything longer than 200mm equivalent full frame focal length.

All of my copy work (prints, negatives, slides, art) is photographed with the macro lens. If I'm not working on the copy stand, I use the 12-35mm about 65% of the time. For portraits and video interviews, the 42.5mm gets a lot of work, but the 35-100mm gets some, too. The macro is super-sharp, so it makes a good general purpose walk-around lens and a full-length portrait and small group portrait lens.

I linked a bunch of review sites on Page 7. There are dozens (maybe hundreds) more. The better reviewers have tried dozens of cameras, so they have a keen perspective on what does, and doesn't work very well.

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Jan 15, 2023 18:32:25   #
davyboy Loc: Anoka Mn.
 
jlg1000 wrote:
I also loved my 8-bit Commodore 64 in 1981

Move on, obsolete tech.


No way pal it make’s beautiful photos! Why do camera companies make cameras with crappy jpegs?

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Jan 15, 2023 18:41:49   #
davyboy Loc: Anoka Mn.
 
[quote=jlg1000]I also loved my 8-bit Commodore 64 in 1981

Move on ! Why they make beautiful photos

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Jan 15, 2023 18:43:45   #
davyboy Loc: Anoka Mn.
 
Why do camera makers deliberately make shitty cameras? With jpegs

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Jan 15, 2023 22:38:45   #
JacksonHD Loc: NorCal
 
imagemeister wrote:
Yes, I would venture to say most raw promoters are computer geeks who incidentally happen to take pictures vs photographers who incidentally use a computer .....


👍👍😎

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Jan 16, 2023 14:12:16   #
Old Coot
 
SIMIBILL wrote:
I am considering buying a high-quality mirrorless camera. Being a Canon user for many years, of course, I am considering the Canon R5. But many reviews online say Sony mirrorless cameras are superior, and more lenses, including Tamron and Sigma, are available.
Please share your experience and opinions with me.


Fuji

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Jan 16, 2023 14:53:09   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
And if we must have these (worthless) “Chevy vs Ford” conversations where fanboys for one brand call other brand advocates fanboys. Let’s at least not put the title in all caps and spell consensus correctly.

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