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Dec 15, 2022 11:35:36   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
David Martin wrote:
You said that "RAW and JPEG are crutches to fix pictures".
But even if you do not perform any changes to "fix" your picture, like correcting settings or cropping, the picture will still be a file of some type, whether RAW or JPEG, or any other file type that cameras can produce (HEIF, TIFF, DNG, etc.)


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Dec 15, 2022 12:26:26   #
jlg1000 Loc: Uruguay / South America
 
BigDaddy wrote:
Well you are wrong about that! There is a LOT of windows contamination.

MS and DOS/Windows has set the world of computing back at least 50 years. And they did it with illegal market manipulation. MS was too dumb to develop OS/2 so IBM did it for them. OS/2 was the windows that actually worked. Windows today still hasn't caught up to OS/2 of 1995, and it never will because it is a BAD design. UNIX of course is an excellent design, developed by Ken Thompson and Dennis Ritchie and of course GOD.

Anyone intimately familiar with UNIX has to know there had to be some sort of Devine intervention to come up with something that well done, including inventing the C language just to aid in development.

It is just as clear that WIN had to be developed by Satan hisself. It's a tragic disaster.
Well you are wrong about that! There is a LOT of ... (show quote)


Yes,

And more tragic is to see how programmers and engineers are taught that they should develop in something stupid like C# which needs the idiotic Visual Studio and can run only on Windows.

Or that they have to purchase expensive Windows Server user based licenses when Linux servers are FREE and are 1000 times better.

BUT sysadmins know better, and that is why almost all web servers run on Linux

And, all industrial systems (PLC, etc) run Linux

And all Android Phones are Linux

And Macs and iPhones are a slightly different flavour of Unix

And all routers, switches, etc. are Linux

And all AI systems are Linux (Jetson, Coral, etc.)

And MS has been stealing Linux stuff to incorporate in in Windows.

All other OS's (OS/2, PS/2, AMigaOS...) have gone the way of the dodo. Only Unix and Windows exists...

If you count the raw (... or RAW??) number of CPUs worldwide, more that 98% run some sort of Unix.

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Dec 15, 2022 12:33:05   #
alberio Loc: Casa Grande AZ
 
Architect1776 wrote:
So it seems after 16 pages of pontification.


đź‘Ť

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Dec 15, 2022 13:41:25   #
rlv567 Loc: Baguio City, Philippines
 
BigDaddy wrote:
Well you are wrong about that! There is a LOT of windows contamination.

MS and DOS/Windows has set the world of computing back at least 50 years. And they did it with illegal market manipulation. MS was too dumb to develop OS/2 so IBM did it for them. OS/2 was the windows that actually worked. Windows today still hasn't caught up to OS/2 of 1995, and it never will because it is a BAD design. UNIX of course is an excellent design, developed by Ken Thompson and Dennis Ritchie and of course GOD.

Anyone intimately familiar with UNIX has to know there had to be some sort of Devine intervention to come up with something that well done, including inventing the C language just to aid in development.

It is just as clear that WIN had to be developed by Satan hisself. It's a tragic disaster.
Well you are wrong about that! There is a LOT of ... (show quote)


Always good to know something new - I was not aware that Andy Devine had a part in the development of UNIX. It's not right that he has not been given the recognition due him for that. Being a UNIX fancier, perhaps you could start the movement.

Loren - Beautiful Baguio City

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Dec 15, 2022 13:43:33   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
Longshadow wrote:
Correct.

And your point is???
I thought we were discussing "shoot".

You said cameras “shoot” (or record) raw. Cameras don’t record raw. They capture sensor data then a file is created. The file format could be raw, JPEG, or DNG or even, I think, TIFF for some cameras. Creation and formatting of the image file is a separate step from capturing the image data.

I am done with this now. If you wish to argue further be my guest but I will not respond.

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Dec 15, 2022 14:02:31   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
JD750 wrote:
You said cameras “shoot” (or record) raw. Cameras don’t record raw. They capture sensor data then a file is created. The file format could be raw, JPEG, or DNG or even, I think, TIFF for some cameras. Creation and formatting of the image file is a separate step from capturing the image data.

I am done with this now. If you wish to argue further be my guest but I will not respond.

So the sensor data is not raw information.....
I get it.

Actually, I don't.......

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Dec 15, 2022 14:06:27   #
rlv567 Loc: Baguio City, Philippines
 
alberio wrote:
đź‘Ť


Virtually this entire 16 plus pages has been so typical of that which seems prevalent here on the HOG. Someone posts a question - or a statement, it doesn't matter - and 98+% of the responses almost immediately have nothing to do with the original subject, connecting peripherally by the usage of some of the same or similar terminology, but only intended to display the subsequent poster's professed vast store of supposed knowledge. This, then, is contradicted - or supported - at great length by other self-proclaimed "experts". Added is a portion of the 98+% who typically respond without giving evidence of ever having read the original post and/or subsequent replies! So far, no bloodshed of which I am aware, but certainly plenty of laughs generated. And now I will close my contribution to the 98%!!!

Loren - in Beautiful Baguio City

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Dec 15, 2022 14:31:01   #
JimGray Loc: Albuquerque, New Mexico
 
saw615 wrote:
As others have said, RAW is not an acronym but rather refers to the unprocessed state of a photograph, hence raw. ... But the downside is RAW files are much larger than JPEG, and some cameras can’t even shoot in RAW.


I do not think that is true that some cameras cannot shoot in RAW. They just do not have the ability to write a raw file to the memory card.

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Dec 15, 2022 14:37:07   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
JimGray wrote:
I do not think that is true that some cameras cannot shoot in RAW. They just do not have the ability to write a raw file to the memory card.



Correct. They ALL get raw data from the sensor, not all cameras SAVE it though.
My Sony H-1 only saves JPEGs. The camera software converts the raw data to a JPEG, then puts the JPEG on the card.

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Dec 15, 2022 15:42:09   #
MrMophoto Loc: Rhode Island "The biggest little"
 
How about "Rendering All Wavelengths", as in colored light? since a RAW file has more data.
just a suggestion.

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Dec 15, 2022 16:15:15   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
MrMophoto wrote:
How about "Rendering All Wavelengths", as in colored light? since a RAW file has more data.
just a suggestion.

There ya go. It now has an acronym and can be "legally" capitalized.

(I did like the one article somebody quoted though.)

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Dec 15, 2022 16:32:07   #
jackebenton Loc: Marietta, GA
 
Bill_de wrote:
I wonder if admin would consider a new sub forum, one that actually limits it's discussions to photography.

Just a thought.

No way!

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What a magnificent idea.

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Dec 15, 2022 20:04:31   #
Silverman Loc: Michigan
 
Architect1776 wrote:
Why is raw capitalized on UHH?
Does RAW stand for 3 words?
Thx


No, just for emphasizing, A Person, Place, or Thing, and RAW is a Thing, So it I got capitalized.

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Dec 15, 2022 20:28:17   #
jlg1000 Loc: Uruguay / South America
 
rlv567 wrote:
Virtually this entire 16 plus pages has been so typical of that which seems prevalent here on the HOG. Someone posts a question - or a statement, it doesn't matter - and 98+% of the responses almost immediately have nothing to do with the original subject, connecting peripherally by the usage of some of the same or similar terminology, but only intended to display the subsequent poster's professed vast store of supposed knowledge. This, then, is contradicted - or supported - at great length by other self-proclaimed "experts". Added is a portion of the 98+% who typically respond without giving evidence of ever having read the original post and/or subsequent replies! So far, no bloodshed of which I am aware, but certainly plenty of laughs generated. And now I will close my contribution to the 98%!!!

Loren - in Beautiful Baguio City
Virtually this entire 16 plus pages has been so ty... (show quote)


Who cares !?

We are having fun !

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Dec 15, 2022 20:52:44   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
jlg1000 wrote:
Who cares !?

We are having fun !


(and learning various things.... )

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