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Dec 11, 2022 11:31:40   #
marine73 Loc: Modesto California
 
All the 737 Max aircraft with the Mcas installed have been returned to service. The Mcas equipped aircraft has had the code rewritten and they get air data from two sources instead of one source as in the previous versions.

They have been back in service for well over a year. My company has taken delivery of over 11 new 737 max's along with several new 787-10.

The projection of deliveries for new aircraft is 20 plus by the end of this year with the number of deliveries per year increasing over the next several years.

By the way my company is pro active about resolving problems/issues. They can not be solved with the snap of the finger overnight.

The process for resolving and issue is a multiple step process:

1. Problem is identified
2. Mfg is notified of the problem
3. Mfg looks at SDRs (service difficulty reports) or sends a letter to operators requesting information on the issue
4. Mfg compiles the data and sends a service letter or service bulletin to the operator detailing the fix and the number of aircraft affected and date it must be complied with.
5. A copy of the service letter or service bulletin is also sent to the FAA.
6. If the FAA determines that it is a safety of flight issue they will issue one of two types of AD's (Airworthiness Directives), Emergency which means immediate compliance and normal where there is a specified time frame it must be accomplished in. In the case of the 737 MAX the FAA grounded the entire fleet for all operators and only lifted the grounding order when the operators showed that their entire fleet was is in compliance with the AD and that they had complied with other provisions in the AD.

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Dec 11, 2022 11:40:36   #
marine73 Loc: Modesto California
 
BebuLamar wrote:
The use of MCAS is pure cheating in my opinion. Should redesign the airframe to accept larger engine that sit under the wing.


For an airframe that was designed in the late 50's early 60's, the 737 airframe has reached its maximum design limit. There may be a new design in the future but it will not be identified as a 737.

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Dec 11, 2022 12:04:39   #
BebuLamar
 
marine73 wrote:
For an airframe that was designed in the late 50's early 60's, the 737 airframe has reached its maximum design limit. There may be a new design in the future but it will not be identified as a 737.


Oh well I do understand after the 787 Boeing is kind of running out of number (got to save the 797 for something really great) but they should redesign the 737 airframe instead of using MCAS. The reason they didn't because it would make them too late to go to market and Airbus 320 Neo would take all of their business.

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Dec 11, 2022 22:42:46   #
Scruples Loc: Brooklyn, New York
 
Don W-37 wrote:
Disagree Jerry. I've flown hundreds of thousands of miles in Boeing aircraft and never a hiccup.


The most dangerous part of flying is driving to the airport! -My CFI

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Dec 12, 2022 03:22:06   #
Scruples Loc: Brooklyn, New York
 
I have always come to trust Boeing from the first time I looked up to the sky. Later on, I always believed that I would be rated to pilot one. Instead, I am disappointed to learn the truth.
We should be moving forward in aviation, not at a standstill.

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Dec 12, 2022 12:11:37   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Scruples wrote:
I have always come to trust Boeing from the first time I looked up to the sky. Later on, I always believed that I would be rated to pilot one. Instead, I am disappointed to learn the truth.
We should be moving forward in aviation, not at a standstill.


It was Boeing's attempt to match Air Bus that led them to the MCAS fiasco. Air Bus must be laughing all the way to the bank. They'd had some problems, too, but nothing like planes flying themselves into the ground.

I remember when the 707 came out. That was amazing. It's too bad about the de Haviland Comet. That was a beautiful plane with great potential - except for a minor design flaw. They did teach the world about metal fatigue, though.

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Dec 12, 2022 15:12:02   #
Scruples Loc: Brooklyn, New York
 
jerryc41 wrote:
It was Boeing's attempt to match Air Bus that led them to the MCAS fiasco….


I remember the Comet. It’s a shame that kids today don’t get a history lesson in aviation.

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Dec 13, 2022 02:39:15   #
mikee
 
jerryc41 wrote:
I'm not planning to fly anywhere, but if I do, it won't be on anything made by Boeing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cb6XJDs40pk&list=LL&index=13


Maybe drive a Chevy Corvair or Ford Pinto instead?? I prefer Boeing planes.

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Dec 13, 2022 07:58:28   #
Scruples Loc: Brooklyn, New York
 
Good old fashioned piloting sense will stand the test of time. Sadly, anything newfangled must prove itself and that takes time. Sometimes more than the manufacturer will invest.

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Dec 14, 2022 07:51:44   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Scruples wrote:
Good old fashioned piloting sense will stand the test of time. Sadly, anything newfangled must prove itself and that takes time. Sometimes more than the manufacturer will invest.


One problem is that pilots don't do as much actual flying as they used to, and in a panic situation - they panic. This is the exception, but crashing because of an exception is still crashing. A lot of the blame goes to the airlines and plane builders. Not enough pilot training and not building planes right.

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Dec 14, 2022 15:34:56   #
Scruples Loc: Brooklyn, New York
 
Piloting a plane is by the numbers. If you have checklist down, you can’t go wrong. I fill every prescription as the last. No variations! Everything is checked twice. After 30 years of doing the same thing you think I would be bored to tears. NOPE! The only variation in my life is what time is lunch and what I’m having.

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Dec 15, 2022 10:34:01   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Scruples wrote:
Piloting a plane is by the numbers.


Yes! Yet so many pilots think they can defy the laws of physics. I saw a video last night of a pilot who crashed a B-52 while practicing for an air show. He broke several rules, and the plane and gravity didn't let him get away with it. This pilot had a reputation for breaking the rules and doing stupid things, yet no one thought he shouldn't be flying an irreplaceable B52. He and four others died in the crash. The same video showed two other Air Force planes crashing while practicing for air shows.

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Dec 15, 2022 17:22:40   #
Sendai5355 Loc: On the banks of the Pedernales River, Texas
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Yes! Yet so many pilots think they can defy the laws of physics. I saw a video last night of a pilot who crashed a B-52 while practicing for an air show. He broke several rules, and the plane and gravity didn't let him get away with it. This pilot had a reputation for breaking the rules and doing stupid things, yet no one thought he shouldn't be flying an irreplaceable B52. He and four others died in the crash. The same video showed two other Air Force planes crashing while practicing for air shows.
Yes! Yet so many pilots think they can defy the l... (show quote)


There are old pilots and there are bold pilots but there are no old bold pilots.

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Dec 16, 2022 07:35:54   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Sendai5355 wrote:
There are old pilots and there are bold pilots but there are no old bold pilots.


Sad but true. Follow the rules or follow the plane into the ground.

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