DirtFarmer
Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
f8lee wrote:
...One thing to be VERY aware of is the new push (by the gub'ment, of course) to movfe to what is innocently referred to as "CBDC - Central Bank Digital Currency - this is something to run, not walk, away from as fast as possible. We need to never allow our "leaders" to institute CBDCs, because it enables a level of constant surveillance and control that we have not seen in the west. China uses CBDCs and that. along with 24/7 facial recognition surveillance gives the Communist government a detailed view of every individual's behavior - which leads to their social score (something I can comfortably say that NOBODY here wants to have implemented). Further, CBDCs enable the government to put expiration dates on "YOUR" money - as in "here's your tax return but if you don't spend it by August 1 it will automatically be reduced by 10%" as well as make it impossible to purchase things on their naughty list.
And for those who bray "hey - I'm not worried - I'm not doing anything wrong" as the excuse to think this technology is acceptable in any way, I must point out that things that are "wrong" are defined by those at the top. SO, today - child porn is bad, sure (well, perhaps except to the Epstein crowd). But tomorrow, guns and ammo might be on the naughty list...and after that, soda pop - or whatever. So think it through before you get sold on the "but it's just so convenient and makes life so much easier!" BS that those who push it try to use.
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The Covid experience raised the level of credit card use. Nobody wanted to handle cash. Coins were in short supply. Credit cards can be touchless so they had the advantage. The use of credit cards has dropped a bit as things relax but it is still significantly higher than it was before Covid forced it on us. Since credit cards take a cut from every purchase, businesses didn't like to use them for small purchases, since it added paperwork and cost. Now credit cards are used for almost anything, regardless of the size of the purchase.
Tracking is here.
f8lee wrote:
As for FTX - that was a case where Sam Bankman Fried just scammed the company and took out billions of dollars to feed it back to donations to Democratic politicians - just the newest flavor of outright fraud.
I did a little checking. Apparently the political donations went to republicans, too.
f8lee wrote:
As @Dirtfarmer points out, crypto is fiat money, which is pretty much the case with all currencies (although China is planning to make the Yuan gold based in their efforts to take over the world). The 'thing' about current crypto currencies (and there are hundreds of them, Bitcoin, Dogcoin and Etherium are merely the most well known) is that they are not controlled by a central entity, like the Fed or some other central government...that is what has made them appealing for those who get excited about them.
The so-called "mining" of crypto takes an enormous amount of electricity, though - it is said that Bitcoin mining consumes as much electricity as the country of Austria...let that sink in a minute. But certainly crypto has been at the top of the hype-cycle in the past couple of years.
As for FTX - that was a case where Sam Bankman Fried just scammed the company and took out billions of dollars to feed it back to donations to Democratic politicians - just the newest flavor of outright fraud.
One thing to be VERY aware of is the new push (by the gub'ment, of course) to movfe to what is innocently referred to as "CBDC - Central Bank Digital Currency - this is something to run, not walk, away from as fast as possible. We need to never allow our "leaders" to institute CBDCs, because it enables a level of constant surveillance and control that we have not seen in the west. China uses CBDCs and that. along with 24/7 facial recognition surveillance gives the Communist government a detailed view of every individual's behavior - which leads to their social score (something I can comfortably say that NOBODY here wants to have implemented). Further, CBDCs enable the government to put expiration dates on "YOUR" money - as in "here's your tax return but if you don't spend it by August 1 it will automatically be reduced by 10%" as well as make it impossible to purchase things on their naughty list.
And for those who bray "hey - I'm not worried - I'm not doing anything wrong" as the excuse to think this technology is acceptable in any way, I must point out that things that are "wrong" are defined by those at the top. SO, today - child porn is bad, sure (well, perhaps except to the Epstein crowd). But tomorrow, guns and ammo might be on the naughty list...and after that, soda pop - or whatever. So think it through before you get sold on the "but it's just so convenient and makes life so much easier!" BS that those who push it try to use.
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CBDC is an abomination that would end our individual autonomy and provide for surveillance and oversight on a person by person basis. How much do any of us really trust our government?
Even conventional investing is "imaginary money". I've already had a significant amount disappear from my retirement accounts even though there isn't an official recession yet.
Soul Dr.
Loc: Beautiful Shenandoah Valley
Any doubts about crypto currency?
Ask El Salvador how well crypto currency worked out for their country.
will
DirtFarmer
Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
JohnSwanda wrote:
Even conventional investing is "imaginary money". I've already had a significant amount disappear from my retirement accounts even though there isn't an official recession yet.
Depends on what you call 'conventional investing'. If you take control of your investments rather than put them into an account run by someone else, you can make money when the market goes up and you can make money when the market goes down. But of course if you don't know how to do it properly you can lose money in both directions also.
There are 8 ways to invest in the stock market.
Buy and hold. (What most people think the market is).
Sell and hold. (Shorting stocks).
Buy mutual funds. (Someone else controls the action).
Buy ETFs (Exchange Traded Fund - a combination of stocks forming an indexed fund)
Buy calls
Buy puts
Sell calls
Sell puts
All these things have different results when the market goes up or down.
When dealing with individual stocks you have to keep up with the news about that particular company because the stock frequently moves as a result of good or bad news. When dealing with indexed funds or commodity groups you have to keep up with the macroeconomic state of affairs.
Investing is work. It takes skill and attention to detail.
And, of course, there is "Past performance is no guarantee of future results".
cbabcock wrote:
I did a little checking. Apparently the political donations went to republicans, too.
Just shy of $40 million to the Dems, second only to Soros.
I just received this in an email. Very appropriate.
jerryc41 wrote:
Lots of people have made a fortune by investing in cryptocurrency, what I like to call imaginary money. Lots of people have also lost a fortune trying to get rich with crypto. Now, the government has to deal with the guy who lost millions of other people's money - Bankman-Fried. I think it's funny that his name is "Bankman."
My life is ruled by credit cards and cash. That's a theoretical as I want to get.
And the other part of his name rhymes with "Fraud"
Robertl594 wrote:
I am a pretty conservative guy when it comes to investing. There is something to be said for early adoption and departure of new things, like crypto. Those who got it and out early, made a fortune. Those who stayed in, still made money, but lost a lot of it. Those who got in late and stayed, lost a ton.
My experience with crypto was not a good one. I did not actually buy crypto, I sold a Nikon Z7II and the guy who I sold it to asked me if I wanted cash or crypto. I chose to gamble. The amount wasn’t huge and I figured, what the hell, a little gamble with money I didn’t actually have to outlay, was a decent risk.
Well, I got in at a value of 3x of what it is worth today. Have not lost anything yet because I have not sold yet, just happy that I did not actually spend a lot to buy crypto.
Like stocks or any other investment, better know what you’re doing, or you will likely lose, unless you’re really lucky.
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Remember that with stocks, crypto, or any other nontangible investment, you have neither lost nor gained until you sell it. Its value is totally dependent on what someone will pay for it.
Fredrick
Loc: Former NYC, now San Francisco Bay Area
Robertl594 wrote:
I am a pretty conservative guy when it comes to investing. There is something to be said for early adoption and departure of new things, like crypto. Those who got it and out early, made a fortune. Those who stayed in, still made money, but lost a lot of it. Those who got in late and stayed, lost a ton.
My experience with crypto was not a good one. I did not actually buy crypto, I sold a Nikon Z7II and the guy who I sold it to asked me if I wanted cash or crypto. I chose to gamble. The amount wasn’t huge and I figured, what the hell, a little gamble with money I didn’t actually have to outlay, was a decent risk.
Well, I got in at a value of 3x of what it is worth today. Have not lost anything yet because I have not sold yet, just happy that I did not actually spend a lot to buy crypto.
Like stocks or any other investment, better know what you’re doing, or you will likely lose, unless you’re really lucky.
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A good acid test is, would you invest additional money into crypto? If the answer is no, you may want to sell your crypto. Right now you only have a paper gain.
Longshadow wrote:
Yup - I won't touch crypto...
You can't touch it even if you wanted 😊
Robertl594 wrote:
I am a pretty conservative guy when it comes to investing. There is something to be said for early adoption and departure of new things, like crypto. Those who got it and out early, made a fortune. Those who stayed in, still made money, but lost a lot of it. Those who got in late and stayed, lost a ton.
My experience with crypto was not a good one. I did not actually buy crypto, I sold a Nikon Z7II and the guy who I sold it to asked me if I wanted cash or crypto. I chose to gamble. The amount wasn’t huge and I figured, what the hell, a little gamble with money I didn’t actually have to outlay, was a decent risk.
Well, I got in at a value of 3x of what it is worth today. Have not lost anything yet because I have not sold yet, just happy that I did not actually spend a lot to buy crypto.
Like stocks or any other investment, better know what you’re doing, or you will likely lose, unless you’re really lucky.
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Crypto, a modern Ponzi scheme.
I'd invest in crypto currency...
But I have all of my assets tied up in Dutch Tulips.
One disaster at a time please...
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