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Dec 14, 2022 08:05:34   #
starlifter Loc: Towson, MD
 
Silverman wrote:
As a continuing amateur Photographer, I want to capture moving vehicles in a Sharp frozen position, with a blurry environment around the Vehicle. What settings must I set on my Camera? I have attempted this with negative results, and no good Captures at all.


Panning with a smooth follow thru. If your panning, you would want a slower shutter so you background is blurry. Also if you are panning a aircraft with propellers you don't want so fast a shutter speed that it freezes the props. you want 125th to 250th of a second.

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Dec 14, 2022 08:10:55   #
LFingar Loc: Claverack, NY
 
Grahame wrote:
There are two options available to you that will each give a 'different' type of blur.

a) You can simply use a high shutter speed, that necessary to freeze the motion of the vehicle, and a wide aperture. This gives normal out of focus blur to the background/foreground.

or

b) You can 'pan' the vehicle, moving your camera to follow the vehicle, and using a 'slower' shutter speed to give motion bur to everything but the vehicle. Personally I find this best done handholding the camera, a tripod/monopod being a hindrance. These cars were fast, for slower cars a slower shutter speed say 1/60s you may find preferable.

Here's a couple of examples,
There are two options available to you that will e... (show quote)


Excellent examples! The blurred wheels and background convey motion while the cars are perfectly frozen!

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Dec 14, 2022 09:26:53   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
One thing I have discovered panning - the speed you use depends on how far you are away from the subject. I used to shoot a lot of bicycle racing, and often I would get inside a turn and shoot the riders from only a few feet away. I found I had to use shutter speeds of up to 1/250 to stop the bikes and get motion blur in the background. The faster you move the camera, the higher speed you need to pan.

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Dec 14, 2022 09:43:11   #
John N Loc: HP14 3QF Stokenchurch, UK
 

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Dec 14, 2022 10:34:23   #
StanMac Loc: Tennessee
 
Grahame wrote:
There are two options available to you that will each give a 'different' type of blur.

a) You can simply use a high shutter speed, that necessary to freeze the motion of the vehicle, and a wide aperture. This gives normal out of focus blur to the background/foreground.

or

b) You can 'pan' the vehicle, moving your camera to follow the vehicle, and using a 'slower' shutter speed to give motion bur to everything but the vehicle. Personally I find this best done handholding the camera, a tripod/monopod being a hindrance. These cars were fast, for slower cars a slower shutter speed say 1/60s you may find preferable.

Here's a couple of examples,
There are two options available to you that will e... (show quote)


Good examples of the results from panning shots, Graham.

That is a cute little two-seater in the second photo - what car is that?

Stan

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Dec 14, 2022 10:37:17   #
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robertjerl wrote:
I don't mean ultra-high SS, just high enough that wobbles while panning/tracking the subject don't blur the subject but the foreground and background blur just fine.

Thank you for more clarity !

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Dec 14, 2022 10:38:03   #
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MrPhotog wrote:
Be prepared to discard a lot of attempts.

Even when you have practiced the technique of panning, and experimented to get the best shutter speed, getting one good result out of 5 attempts is a good day.

Amen. SOP.

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Dec 14, 2022 10:42:34   #
maxlieberman Loc: 19027
 
There is one other option that some might call cheating. If you have a sharp subject (car, plane, boat, bird), but the background is not sufficiently blurred, you can use software to select the subject, then inverse the selection, then blur the background. You can also use a layer mask or Topaz Mask AI to achieve the same effect.

By the way, I agree with coolhanduke that a shutter speed of about 1/250 to 1/320 is good to get motion blur on the propeller of an aircraft while keeping the plane sharp.

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Dec 14, 2022 10:43:00   #
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billnikon wrote:
When I taught PANNING I recommended that my students practiced moving there camera side to side and tripping the shutter while CONTINUING THE PAN and not stopping the camera during the pushing of the shutter. That is the most important thing about shooting while panning, do not stop your movement while pressing the shutter.
You can use any slow shutter speed you want. The slower the shutter, the more background blur you will get, and the slower the shutter, the more your main subject will show movement. Your job is to find that balance between shutter speed, subject speed, and background blur.
I suggested my students use shutter speeds of 1/15 to 1/60 sec. and see what shutter speed they liked best, your effect will also depend on the speed of the subject, the faster the subject, the greater the background blur because you are panning more quickly to keep up with the subject, also depends on how close you are to the moving subject. Also the effect depends on the lens you are using, wide creates an interesting blur, but you should be close.
And to be honest, everyone will have there own favorite blur.
Below is an image of a king fisher in a full out dive, they dive very quickly, the lens was a 600 mm and I was shooting at 1/2000 sec. but the background blur was created by the speed of the Kingfisher and the distance of the background from the subject. There are so many variables that experimenting is sometimes the best way to do it. I would suggest a digital camera as you can see the results right away.
I also suggest you get a volunteer to run past you at various speeds and you at various shutter settings. If your shooting film you must record you shooting data yourself, if your shooting digital this information will be recorded for you.
Good luck and keep on shooting until the end.
When I taught PANNING I recommended that my studen... (show quote)


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Dec 14, 2022 10:52:26   #
wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
 
Silverman wrote:
As a continuing amateur Photographer, I want to capture moving vehicles in a Sharp frozen position, with a blurry environment around the Vehicle. What settings must I set on my Camera? I have attempted this with negative results, and no good Captures at all.


A relatively fast shutter speed with panning. I do it with my longer lenses using an Olympus EE-1 Viewsight to track the subject. Works really well.

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Dec 14, 2022 11:56:00   #
tcthome Loc: NJ
 
rmalarz wrote:
It will depend on the speed of the vehicle/aircraft. Too fast a shutter speed will freeze the motion of both the subject and the background. So, the subject speed will play a part in the shutter speed selection. This will take some effort and experimentation on your part.
--Bob



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Dec 14, 2022 12:01:11   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
billnikon wrote:
When I taught PANNING I recommended that my students practiced moving there camera side to side and tripping the shutter while CONTINUING THE PAN and not stopping the camera during the pushing of the shutter. That is the most important thing about shooting while panning, do not stop your movement while pressing the shutter.
You can use any slow shutter speed you want. The slower the shutter, the more background blur you will get, and the slower the shutter, the more your main subject will show movement. Your job is to find that balance between shutter speed, subject speed, and background blur.
I suggested my students use shutter speeds of 1/15 to 1/60 sec. and see what shutter speed they liked best, your effect will also depend on the speed of the subject, the faster the subject, the greater the background blur because you are panning more quickly to keep up with the subject, also depends on how close you are to the moving subject. Also the effect depends on the lens you are using, wide creates an interesting blur, but you should be close.
And to be honest, everyone will have there own favorite blur.
Below is an image of a king fisher in a full out dive, they dive very quickly, the lens was a 600 mm and I was shooting at 1/2000 sec. but the background blur was created by the speed of the Kingfisher and the distance of the background from the subject. There are so many variables that experimenting is sometimes the best way to do it. I would suggest a digital camera as you can see the results right away.
I also suggest you get a volunteer to run past you at various speeds and you at various shutter settings. If your shooting film you must record you shooting data yourself, if your shooting digital this information will be recorded for you.
Good luck and keep on shooting until the end.
When I taught PANNING I recommended that my studen... (show quote)



What do you think of:
1. Panning video head with a long handle.
2. Camera set to burst
3. Shutter speed varies according to subject=human runner or horse/animal about 1/500 or more because of moving body parts,
slow vehicle 1/100 or less, fast vehicle like a dragster/low plane/flying or diving bird 1/1000and up
4. Pan with one hand while tripping shutter with a remote/cable and hold for several shots while still panning

I do a lot of birds, some planes. I belong to a Railway Museum, but the trains seldom go much over 20-30 mph. But if I want to make one look like it is high balling I can do that in post-processing.

I did experiment with an alternate to give an impression of speed


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Dec 14, 2022 12:03:07   #
williejoha
 
Practice your panning motion. Practice, Practice, Practice. IMHO
WJH

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Dec 14, 2022 13:17:46   #
JohnR Loc: The Gates of Hell
 
therwol wrote:
It's called panning. You follow the subject with your camera and use a shutter speed that will blur the background. If you get lucky, your subject will be sharp because you're moving the camera along with it. It takes practice, and it's still a crapshoot. The second article recommends taking a burst of shots when you do this.

https://www.canon-europe.com/get-inspired/tips-and-techniques/action-panning/

https://digital-photography-school.com/6-tips-master-panning-photography/


Don't stop moving (panning) the camera when you press the shutter - keep following your subject for a few more seconds!

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Dec 14, 2022 13:56:39   #
nikon123 Loc: Toronto, Canada
 
Silverman wrote:
As a continuing amateur Photographer, I want to capture moving vehicles in a Sharp frozen position, with a blurry environment around the Vehicle. What settings must I set on my Camera? I have attempted this with negative results, and no good Captures at all.


Requires lots of practice. Here is what I do and teach my students for panning.
1. Shutter speed priority
2. Shutter speed from 1/40 to 1/100
3. Lens choice as to focal length will influence your distance from camera to subject
4. Subject should be moving perpendicular to the camera
5. Hand held
6. Prefocus to the spot where the subject will be directly in front of you
7. Depress thr shutter at this point - I use back button focus
8. Pan - follow the subject trying to match the speed of the pan with the spee of the subject. The closer you are to the subject, the faster your pan will have to be
9. Release the shutter at the end of your pan, typically when your body cannot turn any further
10. Keep adjusting the shutter speed and the speed of your pan once you have achieved your objective.

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