philo Loc: philo, ca

When I moved to SF in the 60's i marveled at how clean the city was. Now you are not safe to walk anywhere in this once great city. If I where younger I could move out of California.

gwilliams6

RickeyH

mrocki

Your pictures are “amazing”, I bet you have a really nice camera. Huh?

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

Craig Meyer Loc: Sparks, NV

I believe I've visited that store during my SF days. As important as the trauma and loss due to the criminal act, let's hope the Leica community has a way to avoid purchasing any of the stolen product. And, please let's hope the legit Used Vendors guard against selling this stuff, too.

This criminal behavior extended to the Apple Store in Reno--yup, Reno, NV this weekend. 2 guys in matching (no less) black hoodies took all they wanted with no threats or resistance.

While the Leica prices are laughter inducing, criminal acts like this will drive them higher.
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MrPhotog

I wonder if there is an underground market for camera parts, as there is for auto parts, catalytic converters, stereos, etc. I suppose they could disassemble those cameras and part them out--but that might not be so practical with a lens.

act Loc: Trussville, AL

When I was in the Army and going through Special Forces Intelligence training my issued camera was the Leica M3 with three lenses starting with the 35mm and as I remember the standard was a 50mm. The longer lens was the 135mm. I always liked that camera.
In Vietnam I carried a Pen EE half frame.
That was a long time ago as I retired in 1978.

gwilliams6

From Dallas, Texas today 11/30/22, perfectly illustrates my point of the deadly risks to civilians of everyone carrying guns and taking the law into their own hands. It isn't the way to stop robberies.

Dallas store customer facing murder charge for shooting unarmed robber:
https://www.fox4news.com/news/dallas-store-customer-facing-murder-charge-for-shooting-suspected-shoplifter

https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/crime/dallas-family-dollar-shooting-man-arrested/287-a2f514f4-bb99-4415-a6bb-c6b9f8e5007f

A gun-carrying civilian took it upon himself to intercede between store employess and an apparent shoplifter inside a Dollar Store. The gun-carrying civilian shot and killed the apparent shoplifter. Dallas Police arrested him and charged him with murder, with the Dallas Police chief citing there was no imminent danger to the store employees that justified the shooting.

Depending on what network you read this story on or who you listen to, some may try to say this shooting was justified.

But this self-appointed gunman could just have easily shot and killed another shopper or store employee with a arrant bullet or even a ricochet. I have witnessed this kind of shooting tragedy too many times in my news photojournalist career.

As I said in an earlier post in this thread, gun carrying by civilians in public isn't the way to stop robberies ,and puts innocent people at greater bodily risk anywhere they go with states like Texas that allow nearly total gun carrying in public places.

Cheers and best to you all.

moonhawk Loc: Land of Enchantment

Armed civilians protecting themselves prevent thousands of deliberate shootings every year. These are seldom reported on because they don't fir the narrative. The tragic examples like the one you cited here, however, are exploited to the max.

Sounds like an individual who was very poorly trained. The vast majority of CC holders know better than to shoot an unarmed shoplifter. You seem to have very little respect for your fellow citizens, if you think they are not generally capable of using firearms resposibly.

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

You might be surprised at how many people around you are armed everywhere you go in public.

dick ranez

Over 40 years ago a co-worker and I were asked to take photos at a company event. He had a Leica M3 with a 50mm f1.4 and I was using a Canon A1 with 50mm f1.4. We were using slide film from the same batch and both were sent to the Kodak lab in the same envelope. When we got the processed film back we intermixed the slides on a light table. There was no comparison - you could pick out the Leica slides easily - better contrast, better color and sharper detail. His camera was was at least 15 years older than mine but quite obviously “better”. Is it worth the price difference in today’s market - those red dots are expensive. Would love to compare Leica’ new mslr with equivalent Panasonic to see if there is a visual difference. There may be but it’s not worth it to test it myself.

dick ranez

Over 40 years ago a co-worker and I were asked to take photos at a company event. He had a Leica M3 with a 50mm f1.4 and I was using a Canon A1 with 50mm f1.4. We were using slide film from the same batch and both were sent to the Kodak lab in the same envelope. When we got the processed film back we intermixed the slides on a light table. There was no comparison - you could pick out the Leica slides easily - better contrast, better color and sharper detail. His camera was was at least 15 years older than mine but quite obviously “better”. Is it worth the price difference in today’s market - those red dots are expensive. Would love to compare Leica’ new mslr with equivalent Panasonic to see if there is a visual difference. There may be but it’s not worth it to test it myself.

gwilliams6

As a news journalist for the past four decades the reality is that you are incorrect and more civilian gun-carriers get shot with their own guns in confrontations than you would think, and have more tragic accidents with guns around the house played with, than are used to stop a home intruder.

I have lived this story on the streets of major cities across the USA, so I speak from personal experience, not from some pundits made up stories. Major Law Enforcement leaders will tell you and have told me that civilian gun carriers have a tiny effect on the rates and deterrent of crime in America. And most mass shootings are with legally obtained and carried weapons by civilians in the USA, a sad curse of our USA gun-society, that doesn't happen on this scale in other countries with tough gun-control laws, just a fact.

I have worked with Police on so many crime stories over the decades, have career decorated Police Officers and Police detectives in my family, and I did a major series on Crime in America for Newsweek. I took a hard look at what effect civilian gun carriers had on preventing and/or stopping crime, and it was not what you believe, just the facts.

But if it helps you justify carrying a loaded gun in public, there isn't much I can do legally to stop you. I just will stay out of your way. I live in the Dallas, Tx area and shop at Dollar stores, and I am just glad I wasn't there at that one. Hey I know a lot of gun-owners here in Texas and in other states I have lived in, and they mostly do not have the extensive training of a law enforcement officer which is more than just how to use the gun, but when NOT to use it. Gun-totting by civilians in public isn't the answer to stopping robberies, and a robbery is what this tread is about.

America's civilian gun tragedies will not stop with an estimated over 350-400 million guns in civilians hands (no one knows the real figure) in this country, and with people feeling free to take the law in their own hands, just because they have the means and opportunity to do so. Law Enforcement doesn't want this, and neither should you.

Cheers and best to you, and stay safe.

gwilliams6

I am not surprised at all. Cheers