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Nov 26, 2022 20:51:56   #
Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!
 
Triple G wrote:
You don’t recognize joy because you don’t seem to have any in your life. I’m sorry for you.


LOL <<< You see this? Looks like joy to me. I don't find joy in people like you who lie pathologically.

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Nov 26, 2022 23:08:30   #
FrumCA
 
Triple G wrote:
I already posted what many experts have said in comparing Trump's term to debts/deficits of other presidential terms. The main reason that Obama's dollar amount was more is because of being for two terms. I can do math and read; Rac has done neither and obviously you are equally incapable.

Your spin doesn't change the fact that the public debt more than doubled in the eight years of obama’s presidency, rising from $6.3 trillion to $14.4 trillion.

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Nov 26, 2022 23:14:27   #
Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!
 
FrumCA wrote:
Your spin doesn't change the fact that the public debt more than doubled in the eight years of obama’s presidency, rising from $6.3 trillion to $14.4 trillion.


Triple Lunatic doesn’t care about actual facts, only twisted facts.

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Nov 26, 2022 23:28:09   #
Wyantry Loc: SW Colorado
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
How is subsidizing efforts to prepare the planet for increased global warming an effort to “destroy our Country”?
Do you have any idea of the world wide ramifications?


Subsidizing other countries that require help is laudable.

Subsidizing countries that refuse to curtail their pollution is stupidity.

If we (America) are going to continue to do our part in driving down greenhouse gas emissions, that is a good thing. Even paying a PERCENTAGE based upon our percentage of pollution-output is acceptable.

However, requiring U.S. citizens to underwrite and pay WHEN OTHER COUNTRIES DO NOT is unfair, counterproductive, burdensome, and borders on socialism/communism.

I’ll tell you what: You can pay MY share for a few years, how is that?
Fair is fair!
I defended this country in wartime.
I spent 40+ years building and supporting infrastructure, resource-development and energy independence.
I dutifully paid taxes.

And I resent a government that is on an economic path to what appears to be insolvency and morally indefensible polices of racial-backlash, “wokeism”, misinformation, sexual inequality, and gender dis-functionality.
There may be various “Genders” and states of confusion — there are only two Sexes.
~~~~~~~~~~

As to the degree of pollution of various sorts:

The World Meteorological Organization (WMO) reported the most polluting countries:
https://climatetrade.com/which-countries-are-the-worlds-biggest-carbon-polluters/

”However, most of this pollution comes from just a few countries: China, for example, generates around 30% of all global emissions, while the United States is responsible for almost 14%.In the ranking below you can find the 10 countries that produce the most emissions, measured in millions of tons of CO2 in 2019.

Top 10 polluters
China, with more than 10,065 million tons of CO2 released. (10,065,000,000 Tons, 2.013E13 Pounds)
USA, with 5,416 million tons of CO2. (5,416,000,000 Tons, 1.083E13 Pounds)
India, with 2,654 million tons of CO2
Russia, with 1,711 million tons of CO2
Japan, 1,162 million tons of CO2
Germany, 759 million tons of CO2
Iran, 720 million tons of CO2
South Korea, 659 million tons of CO2
Saudi Arabia, 621 million tons of CO2
Indonesia, 615 million tons of CO2 . . .”
~~~~~~~~~~

Since this report in 2019, U.S. CO2 emission decreased by ~1.3%, then rebounded as travel increased. The country is on-track to decrease in 2023.

SOURCE: https://www.eia.gov/outlooks/steo/report/renew_co2.php
” We expect energy-related carbon dioxide emissions in the United States to increase by 1.5% in 2022 and then to decrease 2.3% in 2023 to just under 2021 levels.”
~~~~~~~~~~~

[World] Air Quality report, 2021. <[U.S. is number NINETY (90) ! ]]>
https://www.iqair.com/us/world-most-polluted-countries

”Rank …. Country/Region …….2021 …….. 2020 ….. 2019 …….. 2018 …….. Population
1 Bangladesh ……………….. 76.9 …….. 77.1 …… 83.3 …….. 97.1 ……… 164,689,383
2 Chad ………………………….. 75.9 ……….. - ………… - …………… - ……….….. 16,425,859
3 Pakistan ……………………. 66.8 ……… 59 ………. 65.8 …….. 74.3 ……… 220,892,331
4 Tajikistan …………………… 59.4 ……… 30.9 ……….. - …………. - …………….. 9,537,642
5 India ………………………….. 58.1 ……… 51.9 ……. 58.1 …….. 72.5 …. 1,380,004,385
6 Oman …………………………. 53.9 …….. 44.4 ……….. - …………. - …………….. 5,106,622
.
.
.
14 Afghanistan ……………….. 37.5 ……… 46.5 ……. 58.8 …….. 61.8 ……….. 38,928,341
15 United Arab Emirates …. 36 ……….. 29.2 ……. 38.9 …….. 49.9 …………. 9,890,400
16 Montenegro ……………….. 35.2 ……… 26.1 ……….. - ………….. - ………………. 628,062
17 Indonesia ……………………. 34.4 …….. 40.7 ……. 51.7 ……… 42 ……….. 273,523,621
18 Nigeria ………………………… 34 …………… - …………… - ………….. - ………... 206,139,587
19 Armenia ………………………. 33.9 …….. 24.9 ……. 25.5 ……….. - ……………. 2,963,234
20 Mongolia ……………………… 33.1 ……… 46.6 ……. 62 ………… 58.5 …………. 3,278,292
21 Saudi Arabia ……………….. 32.7 …….. 23.3 …… 22.1 ………… - …………… 34,813,867
22 China …………………………… 32.6 ……… 34.7 …… 39.1 ……… 41.2 ….. 1,439,323,774
.
.
.
89 Germany …………………….. 10.6 ……… 10.1 ……. 11 ……….. 13 ………….. 83,783,945
90 USA ……………………… 10.3 ……. 9.6 …..… 9 …….. 9.1 …….... 331,002,647
91 Denmark ………………………. 9.6 ……….. 9.4 …….. 9.6 …………. - ………….. 5,792,203
92 Japan …………………………….. 9.1 ………… 9.8 …… 11.4 ……… 12 ……….. 126,476,458
93 Luxembourg ………………….. 9 …………… 9 …………. 9.6 …….. 11.2 ……………. 625,976
94 United Kingdom …………….. 8.8 ……….. 8.3 …… 10.5 ……… 10.8 ……….. 67,886,004
95 Canada …………………………… 8.5 ……….. 7.3 ……… 7.7 ……….. 7.9 ………. 37,742,157
.
.
.”
~~~~~~~~~~~

The top 10 most polluting countries PER CAPITA according to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC): https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar6/wg1/

Qatar — 37.05 per capita
Kuwait — 23.49 per capita
Saudi Arabia — 19.39 per capita
Canada — 16.85 per capita
USA — 15.74 per capita
Germany — 9.7 per capita
China — 7.72 per capita
Spain — 6.09 per capita
France — 5.02 per capita
Thailand — 4.05 per capita”

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Nov 26, 2022 23:32:09   #
Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!
 
Wyantry wrote:
Subsidizing other countries that require help is laudable.

Subsidizing countries that refuse to curtail their pollution is stupidity.

If we (America) are going to continue to do our part in driving down greenhouse gas emissions, that is a good thing. Even paying a PERCENTAGE based upon our percentage of pollution-output is acceptable.

However, requiring U.S. citizens to underwrite and pay WHEN OTHER COUNTRIES DO NOT is unfair, counterproductive, burdensome, and borders on socialism/communism.

I’ll tell you what: You can pay MY share for a few years, how is that?
Fair is fair!
I defended this country in wartime.
I spent 40+ years building and supporting infrastructure, resource-development and energy independence.
I dutifully paid taxes.

And I resent a government that is on an economic path to what appears to be insolvency and morally indefensible polices of racial-backlash, “wokeism”, misinformation, sexual inequality, and gender dis-functionality.
There may be various “Genders” and states of confusion — there are only two Sexes.
~~~~~~~~~~

As to the degree of pollution of various sorts:

The World Meteorological Organization (WMO) reported the most polluting countries:
https://climatetrade.com/which-countries-are-the-worlds-biggest-carbon-polluters/

”However, most of this pollution comes from just a few countries: China, for example, generates around 30% of all global emissions, while the United States is responsible for almost 14%.In the ranking below you can find the 10 countries that produce the most emissions, measured in millions of tons of CO2 in 2019.

Top 10 polluters
China, with more than 10,065 million tons of CO2 released. (10,065,000,000 Tons, 2.013E13 Pounds)
USA, with 5,416 million tons of CO2. (5,416,000,000 Tons, 1.083E13 Pounds)
India, with 2,654 million tons of CO2
Russia, with 1,711 million tons of CO2
Japan, 1,162 million tons of CO2
Germany, 759 million tons of CO2
Iran, 720 million tons of CO2
South Korea, 659 million tons of CO2
Saudi Arabia, 621 million tons of CO2
Indonesia, 615 million tons of CO2 . . .”
~~~~~~~~~~

Since this report in 2019, U.S. CO2 emission decreased by ~1.3%, then rebounded as travel increased. The country is on-track to decrease in 2023.

SOURCE: https://www.eia.gov/outlooks/steo/report/renew_co2.php
” We expect energy-related carbon dioxide emissions in the United States to increase by 1.5% in 2022 and then to decrease 2.3% in 2023 to just under 2021 levels.”
~~~~~~~~~~~

[World] Air Quality report, 2021. <[U.S. is number NINETY (90) ! ]]>
https://www.iqair.com/us/world-most-polluted-countries

”Rank …. Country/Region …….2021 …….. 2020 ….. 2019 …….. 2018 …….. Population
1 Bangladesh ……………….. 76.9 …….. 77.1 …… 83.3 …….. 97.1 ……… 164,689,383
2 Chad ………………………….. 75.9 ……….. - ………… - …………… - ……….….. 16,425,859
3 Pakistan ……………………. 66.8 ……… 59 ………. 65.8 …….. 74.3 ……… 220,892,331
4 Tajikistan …………………… 59.4 ……… 30.9 ……….. - …………. - …………….. 9,537,642
5 India ………………………….. 58.1 ……… 51.9 ……. 58.1 …….. 72.5 …. 1,380,004,385
6 Oman …………………………. 53.9 …….. 44.4 ……….. - …………. - …………….. 5,106,622
.
.
.
14 Afghanistan ……………….. 37.5 ……… 46.5 ……. 58.8 …….. 61.8 ……….. 38,928,341
15 United Arab Emirates …. 36 ……….. 29.2 ……. 38.9 …….. 49.9 …………. 9,890,400
16 Montenegro ……………….. 35.2 ……… 26.1 ……….. - ………….. - ………………. 628,062
17 Indonesia ……………………. 34.4 …….. 40.7 ……. 51.7 ……… 42 ……….. 273,523,621
18 Nigeria ………………………… 34 …………… - …………… - ………….. - ………... 206,139,587
19 Armenia ………………………. 33.9 …….. 24.9 ……. 25.5 ……….. - ……………. 2,963,234
20 Mongolia ……………………… 33.1 ……… 46.6 ……. 62 ………… 58.5 …………. 3,278,292
21 Saudi Arabia ……………….. 32.7 …….. 23.3 …… 22.1 ………… - …………… 34,813,867
22 China …………………………… 32.6 ……… 34.7 …… 39.1 ……… 41.2 ….. 1,439,323,774
.
.
.
89 Germany …………………….. 10.6 ……… 10.1 ……. 11 ……….. 13 ………….. 83,783,945
90 USA ……………………… 10.3 ……. 9.6 …..… 9 …….. 9.1 …….... 331,002,647
91 Denmark ………………………. 9.6 ……….. 9.4 …….. 9.6 …………. - ………….. 5,792,203
92 Japan …………………………….. 9.1 ………… 9.8 …… 11.4 ……… 12 ……….. 126,476,458
93 Luxembourg ………………….. 9 …………… 9 …………. 9.6 …….. 11.2 ……………. 625,976
94 United Kingdom …………….. 8.8 ……….. 8.3 …… 10.5 ……… 10.8 ……….. 67,886,004
95 Canada …………………………… 8.5 ……….. 7.3 ……… 7.7 ……….. 7.9 ………. 37,742,157
.
.
.”
~~~~~~~~~~~

The top 10 most polluting countries PER CAPITA according to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC): https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar6/wg1/

Qatar — 37.05 per capita
Kuwait — 23.49 per capita
Saudi Arabia — 19.39 per capita
Canada — 16.85 per capita
USA — 15.74 per capita
Germany — 9.7 per capita
China — 7.72 per capita
Spain — 6.09 per capita
France — 5.02 per capita
Thailand — 4.05 per capita”
b Subsidizing other countries that require help i... (show quote)


My question is why do they falsely classify C02 as a pollutant when it is not?

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Nov 27, 2022 03:51:44   #
Triple G
 
FrumCA wrote:
Your spin doesn't change the fact that the public debt more than doubled in the eight years of obama’s presidency, rising from $6.3 trillion to $14.4 trillion.


You’re saying spin when I actually posted facts and Rac calls them twisted. Yet, what you’re really spouting is, “yeh, but” which is an acknowledgment that what I posted from reliable sources is correct.

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Nov 27, 2022 08:43:34   #
Bison Bud
 
Wyantry wrote:
Subsidizing other countries that require help is laudable.

Subsidizing countries that refuse to curtail their pollution is stupidity.

If we (America) are going to continue to do our part in driving down greenhouse gas emissions, that is a good thing. Even paying a PERCENTAGE based upon our percentage of pollution-output is acceptable.

However, requiring U.S. citizens to underwrite and pay WHEN OTHER COUNTRIES DO NOT is unfair, counterproductive, burdensome, and borders on socialism/communism.

I’ll tell you what: You can pay MY share for a few years, how is that?
Fair is fair!
I defended this country in wartime.
I spent 40+ years building and supporting infrastructure, resource-development and energy independence.
I dutifully paid taxes.

And I resent a government that is on an economic path to what appears to be insolvency and morally indefensible polices of racial-backlash, “wokeism”, misinformation, sexual inequality, and gender dis-functionality.
There may be various “Genders” and states of confusion — there are only two Sexes.
~~~~~~~~~~

As to the degree of pollution of various sorts:

The World Meteorological Organization (WMO) reported the most polluting countries:
https://climatetrade.com/which-countries-are-the-worlds-biggest-carbon-polluters/

”However, most of this pollution comes from just a few countries: China, for example, generates around 30% of all global emissions, while the United States is responsible for almost 14%.In the ranking below you can find the 10 countries that produce the most emissions, measured in millions of tons of CO2 in 2019.

Top 10 polluters
China, with more than 10,065 million tons of CO2 released. (10,065,000,000 Tons, 2.013E13 Pounds)
USA, with 5,416 million tons of CO2. (5,416,000,000 Tons, 1.083E13 Pounds)
India, with 2,654 million tons of CO2
Russia, with 1,711 million tons of CO2
Japan, 1,162 million tons of CO2
Germany, 759 million tons of CO2
Iran, 720 million tons of CO2
South Korea, 659 million tons of CO2
Saudi Arabia, 621 million tons of CO2
Indonesia, 615 million tons of CO2 . . .”
~~~~~~~~~~

Since this report in 2019, U.S. CO2 emission decreased by ~1.3%, then rebounded as travel increased. The country is on-track to decrease in 2023.

SOURCE: https://www.eia.gov/outlooks/steo/report/renew_co2.php
” We expect energy-related carbon dioxide emissions in the United States to increase by 1.5% in 2022 and then to decrease 2.3% in 2023 to just under 2021 levels.”
~~~~~~~~~~~

[World] Air Quality report, 2021. <[U.S. is number NINETY (90) ! ]]>
https://www.iqair.com/us/world-most-polluted-countries

”Rank …. Country/Region …….2021 …….. 2020 ….. 2019 …….. 2018 …….. Population
1 Bangladesh ……………….. 76.9 …….. 77.1 …… 83.3 …….. 97.1 ……… 164,689,383
2 Chad ………………………….. 75.9 ……….. - ………… - …………… - ……….….. 16,425,859
3 Pakistan ……………………. 66.8 ……… 59 ………. 65.8 …….. 74.3 ……… 220,892,331
4 Tajikistan …………………… 59.4 ……… 30.9 ……….. - …………. - …………….. 9,537,642
5 India ………………………….. 58.1 ……… 51.9 ……. 58.1 …….. 72.5 …. 1,380,004,385
6 Oman …………………………. 53.9 …….. 44.4 ……….. - …………. - …………….. 5,106,622
.
.
.
14 Afghanistan ……………….. 37.5 ……… 46.5 ……. 58.8 …….. 61.8 ……….. 38,928,341
15 United Arab Emirates …. 36 ……….. 29.2 ……. 38.9 …….. 49.9 …………. 9,890,400
16 Montenegro ……………….. 35.2 ……… 26.1 ……….. - ………….. - ………………. 628,062
17 Indonesia ……………………. 34.4 …….. 40.7 ……. 51.7 ……… 42 ……….. 273,523,621
18 Nigeria ………………………… 34 …………… - …………… - ………….. - ………... 206,139,587
19 Armenia ………………………. 33.9 …….. 24.9 ……. 25.5 ……….. - ……………. 2,963,234
20 Mongolia ……………………… 33.1 ……… 46.6 ……. 62 ………… 58.5 …………. 3,278,292
21 Saudi Arabia ……………….. 32.7 …….. 23.3 …… 22.1 ………… - …………… 34,813,867
22 China …………………………… 32.6 ……… 34.7 …… 39.1 ……… 41.2 ….. 1,439,323,774
.
.
.
89 Germany …………………….. 10.6 ……… 10.1 ……. 11 ……….. 13 ………….. 83,783,945
90 USA ……………………… 10.3 ……. 9.6 …..… 9 …….. 9.1 …….... 331,002,647
91 Denmark ………………………. 9.6 ……….. 9.4 …….. 9.6 …………. - ………….. 5,792,203
92 Japan …………………………….. 9.1 ………… 9.8 …… 11.4 ……… 12 ……….. 126,476,458
93 Luxembourg ………………….. 9 …………… 9 …………. 9.6 …….. 11.2 ……………. 625,976
94 United Kingdom …………….. 8.8 ……….. 8.3 …… 10.5 ……… 10.8 ……….. 67,886,004
95 Canada …………………………… 8.5 ……….. 7.3 ……… 7.7 ……….. 7.9 ………. 37,742,157
.
.
.”
~~~~~~~~~~~

The top 10 most polluting countries PER CAPITA according to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC): https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar6/wg1/

Qatar — 37.05 per capita
Kuwait — 23.49 per capita
Saudi Arabia — 19.39 per capita
Canada — 16.85 per capita
USA — 15.74 per capita
Germany — 9.7 per capita
China — 7.72 per capita
Spain — 6.09 per capita
France — 5.02 per capita
Thailand — 4.05 per capita”
b Subsidizing other countries that require help i... (show quote)


Thank you for posting subject related data! It seems rather difficult to have a meaningful discussion on here due to all the name calling, etc. I really wish we could actually have a real discussion about things like this, but I guess it's just a pipe-dream. In any case, if we (the USA) sends money to China due to these new promises to pay reparations for our part in "Climate Change/Global Warming" then we have to be the most stupid country that ever existed and I have little hope for our future. Is this really the way we want to go forward? Are there any restrictions on how this money can be used by those that receive it? This stuff is just so absurd!

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Nov 27, 2022 08:58:10   #
Triple G
 
Bison Bud wrote:
Thank you for posting subject related data! It seems rather difficult to have a meaningful discussion on here due to all the name calling, etc. I really wish we could actually have a real discussion about things like this, but I guess it's just a pipe-dream. In any case, if we (the USA) sends money to China due to these new promises to pay reparations for our part in "Climate Change/Global Warming" then we have to be the most stupid country that ever existed and I have little hope for our future. Is this really the way we want to go forward? Are there any restrictions on how this money can be used by those that receive it? This stuff is just so absurd!
Thank you for posting subject related data! It se... (show quote)


Here is some country specific info. No aid to China listed.

https://www.usaid.gov/climate/country-profiles

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Nov 27, 2022 09:42:39   #
Bison Bud
 
Triple G wrote:
Here is some country specific info. No aid to China listed.

https://www.usaid.gov/climate/country-profiles


Thank you, this is the kind of info and response I was hoping for when I started this post! Great information there that will take me some time to absorb, but I will.

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Nov 27, 2022 10:21:28   #
Triple G
 
Bison Bud wrote:
Thank you, this is the kind of info and response I was hoping for when I started this post! Great information there that will take me some time to absorb, but I will.


That kind of good information is not part of media or House communication efforts and should be.

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Nov 27, 2022 10:26:49   #
Bison Bud
 
Triple G wrote:
That kind of good information is not part of media or House communication efforts and should be.



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Nov 27, 2022 11:09:43   #
Checkmate Loc: Southern California
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
How is subsidizing efforts to prepare the planet for increased global warming an effort to “destroy our Country”?
Do you have any idea of the world wide ramifications?


Fool, you still have your head up (Lets Go Brandons) back end.

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Nov 27, 2022 11:19:59   #
Checkmate Loc: Southern California
 
Triple G wrote:
You’re a fool and obvious trumpette. What was his addition to national debt?


Typical answer from a Brandette Brown Shirt. Got your swastikas sewn on all your '(I Love Brandon)' shirts yet? If not Brandon has a large
supply that he will sell you.

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Nov 27, 2022 11:22:13   #
Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!
 
Checkmate wrote:
Typical answer from a Brandette Brown Shirt. Got your swastikas sewn on all your '(I Love Brandon)' shirts yet? If not Brandon has a large
supply that he will sell you.



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Nov 27, 2022 11:25:54   #
Checkmate Loc: Southern California
 
Triple G wrote:
According to all the facts in my posts, it shows that I have the intelligence and integrity to post valid support for my statements. You have nothing, but name calling. The Zero has zero.


FOS again as usual, BOY.

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