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Nov 14, 2022 09:00:48   #
steve_stoneblossom Loc: Rhode Island, USA
 
JohnSwanda wrote:
I don't believe photography must be captured by a camera. Photograms have been considered photographs. The defining characteristic of photography is that it is a image created as a result of the action of light on a light sensitive material.


Based on your definition this is not photography. Photogenesis? Photosynthetic? For that matter, since it does not involve light at all, it's not really photo-anything.

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Nov 14, 2022 09:25:43   #
alexol
 
JohnSwanda wrote:
One of the first forms of photo manipulation shortly after photography was invented was replacing skies in the darkroom, because the orthochromatic films of the day resulted in washed out skies. How can something which has been done from the very start of photography not be "real" photography?


I rely on your first sentence to explain, where you differentiate photo manipulation from photography.

Having been done for umpty years doesn't change the reality of what it is or isn't.

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Nov 14, 2022 09:27:01   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
alexol wrote:
The definition of photography is surely shifting considerably, and I see little difference between an artificially created CGI image and some Photoshop work.

Changing the sky is, to my mind and IMHO, not "real" photography as I originally understood.

Do I change out skies etc? Sure, but I can't say to anyone, here's my vacation shot of ______ , what a wonderful sunset.

It's just a question of degree, and we started down the slope a long time ago. But we aren't happy when the slope steepens beyond our perceived comfort level.

Even the venerable Ansel Adams generated his images through what can be arguably called artificial means - darkroom manipulations, dodging, burning etc., until the image said what he wanted it to say, not necessarily what the scene actually looked like.

Protective flame suit now on!
The definition of photography is surely shifting c... (show quote)


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Nov 14, 2022 09:28:16   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
JohnSwanda wrote:
One of the first forms of photo manipulation shortly after photography was invented was replacing skies in the darkroom, because the orthochromatic films of the day resulted in washed out skies. How can something which has been done from the very start of photography not be "real" photography?


Photography is not just the camera, it's the whole process, including the "darkroom".

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Nov 14, 2022 09:36:09   #
steve_stoneblossom Loc: Rhode Island, USA
 
alexol wrote:
The definition of photography is surely shifting considerably, and I see little difference between an artificially created CGI image and some Photoshop work.

Changing the sky is, to my mind and IMHO, not "real" photography as I originally understood.

Do I change out skies etc? Sure, but I can't say to anyone, here's my vacation shot of ______ , what a wonderful sunset.

It's just a question of degree, and we started down the slope a long time ago. But we aren't happy when the slope steepens beyond our perceived comfort level.

Even the venerable Ansel Adams generated his images through what can be arguably called artificial means - darkroom manipulations, dodging, burning etc., until the image said what he wanted it to say, not necessarily what the scene actually looked like.

Protective flame suit now on!
The definition of photography is surely shifting c... (show quote)


I'm curious, is the Matrix as good as they tell us?

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Nov 14, 2022 09:41:07   #
alexol
 
Depends on whether you take the blue or red pill;)

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Nov 14, 2022 10:37:56   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
jlg1000 wrote:
I don't know if this belongs or not to a photography forum, but here it goes.

The imaging AI's are getting better by the minute, I beieve (and many others too) that in short time they will be able to create images indistingible from reality...

For instante, look at this example I've created using Midjourney by using this simple sentence: "Sailboat at dusk with clouds hdr"

It is incredibly intelligent, but it is totally artificial. It has its place I suppose, but photography as we know it records actual experiences and this does not. For the creation of images In which actual or personal experience may be irrelevant, we may see more sophisticated versions of this software being used quite often.

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Nov 14, 2022 10:44:47   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
mwsilvers wrote:
It is incredibly intelligent, but it is totally artificial. It has its place I suppose, but photography as we know it records actual experiences and this does not.


Agreed.
While photography and AI are both image creation, AI is not photography, and photography is not AI.

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Nov 14, 2022 10:48:32   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
jlg1000 wrote:
I don't know if this belongs or not to a photography forum, but here it goes.

The imaging AI's are getting better by the minute, I beieve (and many others too) that in short time they will be able to create images indistingible from reality...

For instante, look at this example I've created using Midjourney by using this simple sentence: "Sailboat at dusk with clouds hdr"


Remember film photography is a different art form from film photography.

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Nov 14, 2022 12:10:53   #
gwilliams6
 
Architect1776 wrote:
It is not photography .
Just like painting is not photography or charcoal is not photography.
It IS a completely separate art form and not photography.
It will grow as there is no individual skill involved thus anyone can do it and will be for the masses.
It will be fun and interesting though and we shall see how this art form to develops.



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Nov 14, 2022 13:55:23   #
steve_stoneblossom Loc: Rhode Island, USA
 
Architect1776 wrote:
Remember film photography is a different art form from film photography.


Come again?

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Nov 14, 2022 16:08:40   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
steve_stoneblossom wrote:
Come again?


??????

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Nov 14, 2022 16:43:21   #
joecichjr Loc: Chicago S. Suburbs, Illinois, USA
 
jlg1000 wrote:
I don't know if this belongs or not to a photography forum, but here it goes.

The imaging AI's are getting better by the minute, I beieve (and many others too) that in short time they will be able to create images indistingible from reality...

For instante, look at this example I've created using Midjourney by using this simple sentence: "Sailboat at dusk with clouds hdr"


Breathtakingly beautiful and utterly eye-catching 🟣🔥🔥🔥🟣

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Nov 14, 2022 17:03:12   #
steve_stoneblossom Loc: Rhode Island, USA
 
Architect1776 wrote:
??????


"Remember film photography is a different art form from film photography."

What am I not understanding?

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Nov 14, 2022 19:49:26   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
steve_stoneblossom wrote:
"Remember film photography is a different art form from film photography."

What am I not understanding?


Two different mediums, duh.

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