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Nov 7, 2022 07:56:53   #
KenCan Loc: Allen, TX
 
Thank you!
July cannot come soon enough.
AS long as we can see 'some' fjords it'll be better than none at all.
Ken

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Nov 7, 2022 08:08:04   #
raymondh Loc: Walker, MI
 
Superb image!!!

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Nov 7, 2022 08:14:01   #
jaymatt Loc: Alexandria, Indiana
 
Your photo is beautiful!

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Nov 7, 2022 11:18:40   #
Haenzel Loc: South Holland, The Netherlands
 
traderjohn wrote:
A nice picture. When I look at the picture those two cruise ships combined may have about two thousand people. What is there? I'm guessing those affected UNESCO sites will lose a lot of money and those dependent on the tourist income will be in world of hurt. This is one way electricity is produced;


Fact:
Average annual hydropower generation capacity of Noreway in 2019 was around 131 TWh, about 95% of total electricity production...

They don't need that nasty black stuff you're referring to...

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Nov 7, 2022 12:51:45   #
Fredrick Loc: Former NYC, now San Francisco Bay Area
 
traderjohn wrote:
A nice picture. When I look at the picture those two cruise ships combined may have about two thousand people. What is there? I'm guessing those affected UNESCO sites will lose a lot of money and those dependent on the tourist income will be in world of hurt. This is one way electricity is produced;

The Queen Victoria had 2,000 passengers, and the other cruise ship had 2,000+ passengers. Many modern cruise ships today hold 3,000 - 6,000 passengers. So, yes they will lose a lot of business.
In general, I’ve read where about 40% of electricity produced today is from coal. If we’re going electric for transportation I would think that number would have to increase to keep up with demand. Wind farms to produce electricity have exorbitant maintenance costs. Where do we get all the precious metals needed for car batteries? Where do all the old batteries go, landfill?
It’s going to take us a lot longer to go all electric than we currently think.

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Nov 7, 2022 19:46:50   #
PAR4DCR Loc: A Sunny Place
 
Beautiful shots Fredrick.

Don

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Nov 7, 2022 21:27:11   #
Fredrick Loc: Former NYC, now San Francisco Bay Area
 
PAR4DCR wrote:
Beautiful shots Fredrick.

Don


Thanks, Don. I mentioned to someone else that with scenery like that it’s not too hard to take a good photo.

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Nov 8, 2022 06:47:58   #
traderjohn Loc: New York City
 
Fredrick wrote:
The Queen Victoria had 2,000 passengers, and the other cruise ship had 2,000+ passengers. Many modern cruise ships today hold 3,000 - 6,000 passengers. So, yes they will lose a lot of business.
In general, I’ve read where about 40% of electricity produced today is from coal. If we’re going electric for transportation I would think that number would have to increase to keep up with demand. Wind farms to produce electricity have exorbitant maintenance costs. Where do we get all the precious metals needed for car batteries? Where do all the old batteries go, landfill?
It’s going to take us a lot longer to go all electric than we currently think.
The Queen Victoria had 2,000 passengers, and the o... (show quote)


I know way too many people. About 7 years ago we went on a 12-day cruise on a ship the same size from Venice to the port city of Rome. Way too many people. Just before Covid, we did a cruise on Silversea. About 500 people soooo much nicer. I would think the 40% number produced by cola is low. I'm going to look into that...Thanks

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Nov 8, 2022 06:52:38   #
traderjohn Loc: New York City
 
Haenzel wrote:
Fact:
Average annual hydropower generation capacity of Noreway in 2019 was around 131 TWh, about 95% of total electricity production...

They don't need that nasty black stuff you're referring to...


Great. What about the rest of the world? China, India, and that whole region. Big polluters, where does that air travel to? What direction?

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Nov 8, 2022 08:31:39   #
Haenzel Loc: South Holland, The Netherlands
 
traderjohn wrote:
Great. What about the rest of the world? China, India, and that whole region. Big polluters, where does that air travel to? What direction?


What does this have to do with the current topic?

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Nov 9, 2022 06:57:07   #
traderjohn Loc: New York City
 
Haenzel wrote:
What does this have to do with the current topic?


They were going to ban fossil-fueled ships in their waters. Someone mentioned Norway's declining use of fossil fuels.

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Nov 9, 2022 08:12:34   #
Haenzel Loc: South Holland, The Netherlands
 
traderjohn wrote:
They were going to ban fossil-fueled ships in their waters. Someone mentioned Norway's declining use of fossil fuels.


Don't twist words. They don't have to use coal to produce electricity as somebody suggested.

The cruise ships will only be banned in specific fjords, not "in their waters".
Electric powered tug boats will do to overcome this problem. Think in solutions...

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Nov 10, 2022 15:11:37   #
Bubalola Loc: Big Apple, NY
 
Fredrick wrote:
If you’re planning on seeing the Geirangfjord or Naeroyfjord via cruise ship, you’ve got two years left to do it.
Per Gary Bembridge, on the YouTube channel “Tips for Travellers,” he mentioned yesterday in a video that Norway will only allow electric powered cruise ships and ferries into these UNESCO designated world heritage sites starting in 2025. All current cruise ships are diesel powered or natural gas powered, so they will be banned. BTW, there are another 1198 fjords in Norway, so it’s not the end of the world!
Here’s a photo I took with an iPhone 8 in 2018 of the Geirangfjord while cruising the fjords on the Queen Victoria (pictured on the left). These fjords are magical, and should be on everyone’s bucket list. I’ll go back one more time before the ban goes into place.
If you’re planning on seeing the Geirangfjord or N... (show quote)



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Nov 10, 2022 15:29:37   #
Fredrick Loc: Former NYC, now San Francisco Bay Area
 
Bubalola wrote:


Thanks! BTW, I have fond memories of NYC. I was born in Manhattan and grew up in Queens. Still love to go back for visits.

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Nov 11, 2022 15:25:05   #
topcat Loc: Alameda, CA
 
Nice

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