Lightroom version 12 is a great update (Page 7): Are you saying with LR and PS rental, you stop renting and you lose all your edits? I guess IF your edits are all contained in the...

BigDaddy Loc: Pittsburgh, PA

Vanderpix wrote:

And yet when they announced LR 5 some years back a... (show quote)

Are you saying with LR and PS rental, you stop renting and you lose all your edits? I guess IF your edits are all contained in the catalogue section of LR, then lose LR, lose your edits. That would deep six it for me for sure. I use Affinity now, and it reads old PS PSD files and saves development files in PSD format if you wish. I assume PS can read Affinity PSD files as well.

IMNSHO, this is a critical issue?

bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA

tcthome wrote:

I don't know. For existing subscribers, it still 10 a month. For new subs, 20 a month. Missed the boat is more like it. Capture one have smart masking?

There are three plans currently available.

1. The Lightrooms, Photoshop and 20 gig of cloud storage for $10
2. Lightroom cloudy version, no Photoshop and 1 TB storage for $10
3. The Lightrooms, Classic and cloudy, Photoshop and 1 TB of cloud storage for $20

BigDaddy Loc: Pittsburgh, PA

tcthome wrote:

I don't know. For existing subscribers, it still 10 a month. For new subs, 20 a month. Missed the boat is more like it. Capture one have smart masking?

PS is now $20/mo?
First I heard this, that I recall... I'm recalling less and less as time goes on...

Affinity is all the way up to $55. I heard it was on sale this month though. Trust me, it is a steal at $55 anyway.

Vanderpix Loc: New Jersey

BigDaddy wrote:

Are you saying with LR and PS rental, you stop renting and you lose all your edits? I guess IF your edits are all contained in the catalogue section of LR, then lose LR, lose your edits. That would deep six it for me for sure. I use Affinity now, and it reads old PS PSD files and saves development files in PSD format if you wish. I assume PS can read Affinity PSD files as well.

IMNSHO, this is a critical issue?

Since LR is catalogue based once the subscription is ended you have no access to the develop module. Your RAW files still exist but in an unedited form. I have heard on Joseph Cristina's website that without the subscription LR will not even open. I have heard from others that the library module will open but I am not sure if you can export these edited photos. Needless to say once you subscribe to Adobe you are committed or maybe you should be committed!😎The is one alternative that you could subscribe on a as need basis but I find that method does not suit my workflow since as a hobbyist I am always editing

bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA

No, you don't loose your edits when you quit. If you quit, you loose only the Develop and Map modules. The Library and Print modules still work and will continue to work with all of your past edits. The Export system, in the Library module, will continue to work.

BigDaddy Loc: Pittsburgh, PA

bsprague wrote:

No, you don't loose your edits when you quit. If you quit, you loose only the Develop and Map modules. The Library and Print modules still work and will continue to work with all of your past edits. The Export system, in the Library module, will continue to work.

PSD is the develop module, correct? I don't know what the Map module is? I assume If the "develop" module remains (as a file) I could then open it with Affinity if I dumped LR and PS. Not perfectly clear to me how LR maintains all your edited jpg files. For example I have multiple separate jpg files in various sizes stored in appropriate folders. If I use LR, I understand I no longer would need these separate files, and the LR "database" would somehow keep track of all the edits, sizes etc. with no need for individual files?
What would happen to all that "data" if I quit PS or Adobe went out to lunch?

sodapop Loc: Bel Air, MD

BigDaddy wrote:

PSD is the develop module, correct? I don't know ... (show quote)

You really need to read up on Lightroom. The map module can show where you took the photo on a google map.
Lightroom has keywords which can identify any photo you have. It does not have its filing system, it looks at yours in your computer. I don't know why this concept is so hard for people to grasp. Lightroom does not store you photos.

fantom Loc: Colorado

jdub82 wrote:

Yes, LR has editing capabilities that are quite different than Photoshop. Photoshop is a creative tool that was designed to manipulate photos, Lightroom is for processing and editing. The editing sliders are very easy to use, and the results are great. I've used several other programs for processing, but Lightroom is by far my favorite tool. If you haven't used Lightroom, you wouldn't know why it is so popular.

bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA

BigDaddy wrote:

PSD is the develop module, correct? I don't know ... (show quote)

PSD? Photoshop is a separate program that edits the actual files. It can be reached from inside Lightroom Classic. Lightroom Classic does not "edit" the master image file. It is "non destructive". Unlike Photoshop, the Develop Module stores edits in a catalog system or in optional "XMP Sidecar" files for each image.

If Adobe goes out to lunch, all of your original files remain unchanged.

Even Affinity can do it. From Infinity, "Can affinity open XMP files? Affinity Photo can import metadata from an XMP sidecar file automatically when opening the corresponding image, provided they have the same base filename and the sidecar file has the . xmp file extension (in lower case)."

And, if Adobe really did go out to lunch, Affinity and others would be configuring to grab the many millions of customers leaving the table.

BigDaddy, stick with what you know. You might be reading too many web pages that aren't completely correct about how Lightroom and Adobe work.

mikeroetex Loc: Lafayette, LA

Vanderpix wrote:

Since LR is catalogue based once the subscription ... (show quote)

Most readers know that Joseph Cristina never let facts get in the way of an online click and bait. Sadly, you and BigDaddy are making assumptions and conclusions without full knowledge. Take some time to oull your heads out of the sand and read up. If you discontinue your subscription, you do not lose all your edits or jpegs. That's because they are never in LR, LR is a catalog that points to the files location and the edits are saved in a sidecar file. Since you are so fascinated by life 20 years ago, think of it as if someone removed the card from the Dewey Decimal system at the library. The card may be gone, but the book is still on the shelf. True, the Develop module stops, so you can not go back and re-edit or create new edits, but you don't lose previous work. It's still right there on your hard drive.

BigDaddy Loc: Pittsburgh, PA

sodapop wrote:

You really need to read up on Lightroom. The map module can show where you took the photo on a google map.
Lightroom has keywords which can identify any photo you have. It does not have its filing system, it looks at yours in your computer. I don't know why this concept is so hard for people to grasp. Lightroom does not store you photos.

Every viewer that reads the EXIF data, which include most everything can show me where I took the picture if it's contained in the metadata. For example IrfanView, a simple viewer will take you straight to google maps to show you where the pic was taken. I only needed to know what was meant by map module. The info is in the metadata, so should NOT be lost, period.

Believe me I FULLY understand keywords. I think I have around 500 indexed in my photo catalogue (database). Past that, it seems LR makes it unnecessary to have multiple jpg files, for different edits, file sizes and so on. I've heard that a number of times on the Hog. On that note, if I stop renting LR, will I lose all the keywords I created with LR?

Rather than read up on LR, I find more interesting to hear from the friendly fellow hoggers what's going on. That way the information can be clarified and spread around to more than just me.

frankraney Loc: Clovis, Ca.

DirtFarmer wrote:

Only £10/month. Every hobby worth its salt has expenses. Most people spend more than that in a month on frivolous things that have no lasting value. A trip to Starbucks every other week?

Vanderpix Loc: New Jersey

mikeroetex wrote:

Most readers know that Joseph Cristina never let f... (show quote)

Of course if you had read further you would have seen that I cited another reference to show I was not sure of the veracity of his statement. You will also note that I did not say pictures would be lost since yes LR does not store the picture. For the record I have using LR for about 14 years so I am pretty familiar on to how it works. I understand your point of view but it would be nice if you could come off you high horse and appreciate other viewpoints, Because in the end the final product is all that matters, how you get there is up to you. And most people will not know if you used an old version of software or a new one. You must please you client if you are a pro and please yourself if you are hobbyist.

frankraney Loc: Clovis, Ca.

via the lens wrote:

Just to clarify: THE CURRENT VERSION DOES USE LAYERS. $9.99 a month does not equal $600.

SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA

R.G. wrote:

Regular payments have always been a way to obscure the real cost of things. Seen individually they can look almost trivial but the accumulated effect can be a very different story. And they add to the burden of ongoing commitments.

It can be paid for yearly.