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Oct 20, 2022 12:11:48   #
JamesCurran Loc: Trenton ,NJ
 
Racmanaz wrote:
In fact the molar investigation proved that Trump did not collude with Russia as a matter of fact Mueller said not one American was found to collude with Russia. So if not one American that includes Trump.


Mueller never said that. He, in fact, said, "while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him."

In other words, there is a massive amount of evidence that he did and nothing to prove he didn't. There was just insufficient evidence to prove it conclusively (due to the illegal stonewalling by Trump & Co).

There is a very significant difference between "insufficient evidence to prove it conclusively" and "proved that someone did not do it". (Ask OJ Simpson)

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Oct 20, 2022 12:45:02   #
Triple G
 
JamesCurran wrote:
Mueller never said that. He, in fact, said, "while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him."

In other words, there is a massive amount of evidence that he did and nothing to prove he didn't. There was just insufficient evidence to prove it conclusively (due to the illegal stonewalling by Trump & Co).

There is a very significant difference between "insufficient evidence to prove it conclusively" and "proved that someone did not do it". (Ask OJ Simpson)
Mueller never said that. He, in fact, said, "... (show quote)


Plus the investigators were following DOJ guidance that a sitting president couldn’t be charged so they never went fully engaged on that path.

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Oct 20, 2022 12:57:44   #
Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!
 
JamesCurran wrote:
Mueller never said that. He, in fact, said, "while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him."

In other words, there is a massive amount of evidence that he did and nothing to prove he didn't. There was just insufficient evidence to prove it conclusively (due to the illegal stonewalling by Trump & Co).

There is a very significant difference between "insufficient evidence to prove it conclusively" and "proved that someone did not do it". (Ask OJ Simpson)
Mueller never said that. He, in fact, said, "... (show quote)


Lol just because Mueller said it does not exonerate him does not mean that it didn't which it absolutely did exonerate him. If someone is found not guilty then they're not guilty. If you have any evidence contrary then won't you please provide it here. You won't because you don't have any because there is no evidence. You also have to consider that not one American was found to know only colluded with Russia. What does that mean to you?

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Oct 20, 2022 13:44:15   #
srg
 
Racmanaz wrote:
Man you are dense, Igor Yurievich Danchenko is NOT an American citizen you illiterate. But here is a tidbit of info for you. See, you just proved what a Russian sympathizer you really are trying to defend a Russia citizen.

Igor Yurievich Danchenko is a Russian citizen and U.S. resident currently residing in Virginia who works as a Eurasia political risk, defense and economics analyst. Together with Clifford Gaddy he analyzed Vladimir Putin's 1996 university dissertation and presented examples of plagiarism. Wikipedia
Man you are dense, Igor Yurievich Danchenko is NOT... (show quote)


Rac. You are the master of the grade school "Yo Mamma" response.

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Oct 20, 2022 14:10:56   #
Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!
 
srg wrote:
Rac. You are the master of the grade school "Yo Mamma" response.


You make absolutely no sense.

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Oct 20, 2022 14:21:03   #
National Park
 
Racmanaz wrote:
Not at all surprised a Russian sympathizer such as yourself is pleased that two people got away with lying to the FBI. It really doesn't matter anyway, Durham's investigation succeeded in the intent of the investigation while Muellers investigation FAILED.


The full list of Mueller indictments and plea deals

1) George Papadopoulos, former Trump campaign foreign policy adviser, was arrested in July 2017 and pleaded guilty in October 2017 to making false statements to the FBI. He got a 14-day sentence.

2) Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign chair, was indicted on a total of 25 different counts by Mueller’s team, related mainly to his past work for Ukrainian politicians and his finances. He had two trials scheduled, and the first ended in a conviction on eight counts of financial crimes. To avert the second trial, Manafort struck a plea deal with Mueller in September 2018 (though Mueller’s team said in November that he breached that agreement by lying to them). He was sentenced to a combined seven and a half years in prison.

3) Rick Gates, a former Trump campaign aide and Manafort’s longtime junior business partner, was indicted on similar charges to Manafort. But in February 2018 he agreed to a plea deal with Mueller’s team, pleading guilty to just one false statements charge and one conspiracy charge. He was sentenced to 45 days in prison and 3 years of probation.

4) Michael Flynn, Trump’s former national security adviser, pleaded guilty in December 2017 to making false statements to the FBI.

5-20) 13 Russian nationals and three Russian companies were indicted on conspiracy charges, with some also being accused of identity theft. The charges related to a Russian propaganda effort designed to interfere with the 2016 campaign. The companies involved are the Internet Research Agency, often described as a “Russian troll farm,” and two other companies that helped finance it. The Russian nationals indicted include 12 of the agency’s employees and its alleged financier, Yevgeny Prigozhin.

21) Richard Pinedo: This California man pleaded guilty to an identity theft charge in connection with the Russian indictments, and has agreed to cooperate with Mueller. He was sentenced to 6 months in prison and 6 months of home detention in October 2018.

22) Alex van der Zwaan: This London lawyer pleaded guilty to making false statements to the FBI about his contacts with Rick Gates and another unnamed person based in Ukraine. He was sentenced to 30 days in jail and has completed his sentence.

23) Konstantin Kilimnik: This longtime business associate of Manafort and Gates, who’s currently based in Russia, was charged alongside Manafort with attempting to obstruct justice by tampering with witnesses in Manafort’s pending case last year.

24-35) 12 Russian GRU officers: These officers of Russia’s military intelligence service were charged with crimes related to the hacking and leaking of leading Democrats’ emails in 2016.

36) Michael Cohen: In August 2018, Trump’s former lawyer pleaded guilty to 8 counts — tax and bank charges, related to his finances and taxi business, and campaign finance violations — related to hush money payments to women who alleged affairs with Donald Trump, as part of a separate investigation in New York (that Mueller had handed off). But in November, he made a plea deal with Mueller too, for lying to Congress about efforts to build a Trump Tower in Moscow.

37) Roger Stone: In January 2019, Mueller indicted longtime Trump adviser Roger Stone on 7 counts. He accused Stone of lying to the House Intelligence Committee about his efforts to get in touch with WikiLeaks during the campaign, and tampering with a witness who could have debunked his story. He was convicted on all counts after a November 2019 trial.

Finally, there is one other person Mueller initially investigated, but handed over to others in the Justice Department to charge: Sam Patten. This Republican operative and lobbyist pleaded guilty to not registering as a foreign agent with his work for Ukrainian political bigwigs, and agreed to cooperate with the government.

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Oct 20, 2022 14:31:30   #
Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!
 
National Park wrote:
The full list of Mueller indictments and plea deals

1) George Papadopoulos, former Trump campaign foreign policy adviser, was arrested in July 2017 and pleaded guilty in October 2017 to making false statements to the FBI. He got a 14-day sentence.

2) Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign chair, was indicted on a total of 25 different counts by Mueller’s team, related mainly to his past work for Ukrainian politicians and his finances. He had two trials scheduled, and the first ended in a conviction on eight counts of financial crimes. To avert the second trial, Manafort struck a plea deal with Mueller in September 2018 (though Mueller’s team said in November that he breached that agreement by lying to them). He was sentenced to a combined seven and a half years in prison.

3) Rick Gates, a former Trump campaign aide and Manafort’s longtime junior business partner, was indicted on similar charges to Manafort. But in February 2018 he agreed to a plea deal with Mueller’s team, pleading guilty to just one false statements charge and one conspiracy charge. He was sentenced to 45 days in prison and 3 years of probation.

4) Michael Flynn, Trump’s former national security adviser, pleaded guilty in December 2017 to making false statements to the FBI.

5-20) 13 Russian nationals and three Russian companies were indicted on conspiracy charges, with some also being accused of identity theft. The charges related to a Russian propaganda effort designed to interfere with the 2016 campaign. The companies involved are the Internet Research Agency, often described as a “Russian troll farm,” and two other companies that helped finance it. The Russian nationals indicted include 12 of the agency’s employees and its alleged financier, Yevgeny Prigozhin.

21) Richard Pinedo: This California man pleaded guilty to an identity theft charge in connection with the Russian indictments, and has agreed to cooperate with Mueller. He was sentenced to 6 months in prison and 6 months of home detention in October 2018.

22) Alex van der Zwaan: This London lawyer pleaded guilty to making false statements to the FBI about his contacts with Rick Gates and another unnamed person based in Ukraine. He was sentenced to 30 days in jail and has completed his sentence.

23) Konstantin Kilimnik: This longtime business associate of Manafort and Gates, who’s currently based in Russia, was charged alongside Manafort with attempting to obstruct justice by tampering with witnesses in Manafort’s pending case last year.

24-35) 12 Russian GRU officers: These officers of Russia’s military intelligence service were charged with crimes related to the hacking and leaking of leading Democrats’ emails in 2016.

36) Michael Cohen: In August 2018, Trump’s former lawyer pleaded guilty to 8 counts — tax and bank charges, related to his finances and taxi business, and campaign finance violations — related to hush money payments to women who alleged affairs with Donald Trump, as part of a separate investigation in New York (that Mueller had handed off). But in November, he made a plea deal with Mueller too, for lying to Congress about efforts to build a Trump Tower in Moscow.

37) Roger Stone: In January 2019, Mueller indicted longtime Trump adviser Roger Stone on 7 counts. He accused Stone of lying to the House Intelligence Committee about his efforts to get in touch with WikiLeaks during the campaign, and tampering with a witness who could have debunked his story. He was convicted on all counts after a November 2019 trial.

Finally, there is one other person Mueller initially investigated, but handed over to others in the Justice Department to charge: Sam Patten. This Republican operative and lobbyist pleaded guilty to not registering as a foreign agent with his work for Ukrainian political bigwigs, and agreed to cooperate with the government.
The full list of Mueller indictments and plea deal... (show quote)


Again, what was the intent of the molar investigation and how many people were indicted convicted and or jailed for colluding with Russia? I'll give you a hint a big fat ZERO. Why are people on the left so freaking stupid? Have you ever noticed that those on the right that have lied to Congress or FBI are indicted and convicted but the ones on the left that have lied to the FBI or congress get away with it.

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Oct 20, 2022 14:34:32   #
JamesCurran Loc: Trenton ,NJ
 
Racmanaz wrote:
If someone is found not guilty then they're not guilty.


True enough, but Trump was never FOUND "Not Guilt".

And again, there's a rather hefty book of "evidence". Bob Barr claimed it wasn't enough to indict his boss, so he refused to, so we'll never know if it really was or not.

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Oct 20, 2022 14:34:40   #
National Park
 
Racmanaz wrote:
Again, what was the intent of the molar investigation and how many people were indicted convicted and or jailed for colluding with Russia? I'll give you a hint a big fat ZERO. Why are people on the left so freaking stupid? Have you ever noticed that those on the right that have lied to Congress or FBI are indicted and convicted but the ones on the left that have lied to the FBI or congress get away with it.


The full list of Dunham convictions:

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Oct 20, 2022 14:38:40   #
JamesCurran Loc: Trenton ,NJ
 
Racmanaz wrote:
Have you ever noticed that those on the right that have lied to Congress or FBI are indicted and convicted but the ones on the left that have lied to the FBI or congress get away with it.


That's because the ones on the right ACTUALLY lied to Congress/FBI, while those on the left didn't, despite wild (and slanderous) accusations by those on the right.

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Oct 20, 2022 14:40:48   #
Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!
 
National Park wrote:
The full list of Dunham convictions:


Are you that illiterate?? I really don't care about the convictions I care about the intent of Durham's investigation and what it found out and it was successful in what it found.

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Oct 20, 2022 14:41:59   #
Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!
 
JamesCurran wrote:
That's because the ones on the right ACTUALLY lied to Congress/FBI, while those on the left didn't, despite wild (and slanderous) accusations by those on the right.


You're such a lying Lefty hack. The ones on the left you believe didn't lie to the FBI or congress yet the right does? LOL you're more foolish than I thought. Both sides were lying the ones who got convicted on the right actually did lie to the FBI and Congress and the ones on the left actually lied to FBI in Congress and got away with it. It's a double standard.

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Oct 20, 2022 14:44:23   #
JamesCurran Loc: Trenton ,NJ
 
Racmanaz wrote:
Are you that illiterate?? I really don't care about the convictions I care about the intent of Durham's investigation and what it found out and it was successful in what it found.


No. We agreed that the Durham investigation's intent was to find impropriety in the origin of the Trump-Russia investigation. It found none. It failed.

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Oct 20, 2022 15:39:11   #
Shutterbug1697 Loc: Northeast
 
Racmanaz wrote:
Are you that illiterate?? I really don't care about the convictions I care about the intent of Durham's investigation and what it found out and it was successful in what it found.

Is that the same as you not caring that trump was Impeached TWICE?

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Oct 20, 2022 16:03:13   #
Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!
 
JamesCurran wrote:
No. We agreed that the Durham investigation's intent was to find impropriety in the origin of the Trump-Russia investigation. It found none. It failed.


Nope, you are wrong as you usually are. The intent was to find the origin of the Russia probe. The intent was not to convict anybody and DIDN'T start up as a criminal investigation.

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