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Oct 14, 2022 14:43:50   #
williejoha
 
We have taken water for granted way to long. Living in Winona Minnesota about 2 miles from the mighty we get to enjoy this resource for all kinds of activities without much thought of its deeper importance. Moving out of the Mississippi Valley by about 3 miles one can witness the wasteful use of this precious resource in very inefficient way of watering crops by proadcast sprinklers. There we pump water from aquifers deep down and only about 10% is doing any good for the crops. The mighty Oglala aquifer is 75% depleted because after the dustbowl we just drilled millions and millions of straws down there to suck up its resource. When will we ever learn?. JMTC
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Oct 14, 2022 19:07:30   #
PAR4DCR Loc: A Sunny Place
 
Having spent my working life in the maritime field I find your post spot on Gary. Our boats were 7,200 HP and would handle 30 barges S/B in good river conditions and 42 N/B. I can remember having this condition every few years and just the opposite in the spring when the snow began to melt and the river would reach flood stage in the New Orleans area. When it became very serious they would open the spillway and divert river water into the lake.
Hope your post was an education to those not familiar with the river system.

Don

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Oct 14, 2022 19:54:51   #
Dannj
 
PAR4DCR wrote:
Having spent my working life in the maritime field I find your post spot on Gary. Our boats were 7,200 HP and would handle 30 barges S/B in good river conditions and 42 N/B. I can remember having this condition every few years and just the opposite in the spring when the snow began to melt and the river would reach flood stage in the New Orleans area. When it became very serious they would open the spillway and divert river water into the lake.
Hope your post was an education to those not familiar with the river system.

Don
Having spent my working life in the maritime field... (show quote)


It was for me👍

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Oct 14, 2022 23:06:09   #
sippyjug104 Loc: Missouri
 
williejoha wrote:
We have taken water for granted way to long. Living in Winona Minnesota about 2 miles from the mighty we get to enjoy this resource for all kinds of activities without much thought of its deeper importance. Moving out of the Mississippi Valley by about 3 miles one can witness the wasteful use of this precious resource in very inefficient way of watering crops by proadcast sprinklers. There we pump water from aquifers deep down; only about 10% is doing good for the crops. The mighty Oglala aquifer is 75% depleted because after the dustbowl we just drilled millions and millions of straws down there to suck up its resource. When will we ever learn?. JMTC
WJH
We have taken water for granted way to long. Livin... (show quote)


Williejoha, I doubt that society will learn its lesson in time. Some things just have to be learned the hard way. There are cultures that have survived in the driest of conditions, however, the numbers in their groups are small and their way of life is simple if not primitive. I doubt that today's younger generation and future generations would be happy to live their lives in such ways....yet they may have no choice.

Conservation is essential and eliminating pollution in the world's waters is critical to survival and disease prevention. The pollution of the oceans and overfishing has resulted in the eatable marine resources of the world being exhausted by man beyond recovery. Mankind is the only species that has ever led itself to its own extinction.

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Oct 14, 2022 23:23:42   #
sippyjug104 Loc: Missouri
 
PAR4DCR wrote:
Having spent my working life in the maritime field I find your post spot on Gary. Our boats were 7,200 HP and would handle 30 barges S/B in good river conditions and 42 N/B. I can remember having this condition every few years and just the opposite in the spring when the snow began to melt and the river would reach flood stage in the New Orleans area. When it became very serious they would open the spillway and divert river water into the lake.
Hope your post was an education to those not familiar with the river system.

Don
Having spent my working life in the maritime field... (show quote)


Thanks, Don. I hoped to bring attention to other facets affecting the economy's short supply and rising prices. It is not what the mainstream media broadcasts about Russia, the Saudis, or the greed of the large oil companies. It's the impact of the political and environmental issues getting much-needed resources to market in mass and efficiently.

I laugh, and at times I cry, when I hear about the urgent need to electrify the automobile market yet a large cruise ship, that serves no purpose other than entertainment, burns 80,000 GALLONS PER DAY on average. not to mention the pollution expelled into the atmosphere and the ocean. To put this in perspective, that's about as much fuel as 100,000 cars burn on average per day..! Yet, there is no outcry about cruise ships for it is where the wealthy often entertain themselves.

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Oct 15, 2022 07:06:22   #
traderjohn Loc: New York City
 
sippyjug104 wrote:
Curmudgeon, Thanks for reading and for adding content. I added this post to voice that there are many things connected to inflation and the state of the economy other than the price of fuel. We are all like spiders living on a web where each thread affects us for they are all connected.

Water is a finite resource that constantly gets recycled. There will never be more and there will never be any less water on the planet. It just is somewhere else, including the water that makes up our bodies. When we die, even that water gets recycled.

As areas of the earth warm, the surface water evaporates into the atmosphere. Unfortunately, water vapor is one of the largest sources of "greenhouse gases" making the heat content of the air rise even higher, which drives more evaporation, which raises the temperature, and on and on.

The uneven heating and cooling of the earth along with its rotation and moisture content create pressure differences that drive the winds and carry away the moisture in the air. As it travels it condenses and rains down in areas most often not accustomed to such heavy downflows. This is a cycle that is presently impossible to control due to scientific and economic limitations.

The rivers are the backbone of life including commerce. Low rivers are a serious problem...including the higher density of pollution that becomes more and more concentrated.
Curmudgeon, Thanks for reading and for adding cont... (show quote)


The web of this inflation period will and the web of recession will soon follow. It is not expected to be a soft landing.

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Oct 15, 2022 08:12:05   #
ecobin Loc: Paoli, PA
 
Unfortunately, humans are generally more reactive than proactive, especially when "fake" news becomes widespread and so many believe it. I don't know where we're headed and am too old to find out but the outlook for our offspring is not what I was expecting when we had children. Thanks for your very informative piece and to those who augmented it. We can vote for politicians who profess to do work on projects that will help but the $ still seems to rule.

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Oct 15, 2022 11:43:19   #
sippyjug104 Loc: Missouri
 
ecobin wrote:
Unfortunately, humans are generally more reactive than proactive, especially when "fake" news becomes widespread and so many believe it. I don't know where we're headed and am too old to find out but the outlook for our offspring is not what I was expecting when we had children. Thanks for your very informative piece and to those who augmented it. We can vote for politicians who profess to do work on projects that will help but the $ still seems to rule.


Thanks for the reply, Elliott. It is said that a change in a society is only one generation away when the history of the past is not passed along. We are impacted today by the actions and decisions of those before us with many of them good and many of them bad. We are a long way from healing the wounds that were made before us as well as those we are presently making. Vast areas of wilderness and rainforest have been destroyed. Old growth has been removed for its resources or simply because it was in the way of "progress".

Hopefully, the next generations will have a better understanding of the delicate balance of all life on earth and being a good steward of the planet. The green of the earth is not only a source of food for life, it is the lungs that breathe in the bad air and expel the good air. When we pollute quicker than Mother Nature can clean, we have a problem. Many that have studied the natural environment believe that it will take as long as 10,000 years to heal the planet after mankind is gone.

Not only are we leaving an unpayable debt to future generations from our spending, but we are also leaving them all of our pollutions and raping the earth of its resources and ability to provide sustainable food and fresh water.

If we were to ask high school students that will graduate this year, "What profession do you want to be in?" I doubt that many of them would choose to be farmers....and that is a problem of the near future as we depend more and more on foreign sources to feed us.

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Oct 15, 2022 12:18:22   #
Don, the 2nd son Loc: Crowded Florida
 
sippyjug104 wrote:
We live within walking distance of the confluence of the Meramec and the Mississippi Rivers. I have seen both rivers through epic 100-year floods and droughts in my lifetime. This year, the low level of the Mississippi River, particularly south of Memphis all the way down to Vickburg, will significantly impact the already crushed economy.

Think of the Mississippi River as the trunk of a great tree with all of its branches reaching to the east and west. With the drought in the west, the Mississippi River is experiencing low levels that are causing closure to barge traffic in addition to causing the need to "short load" barges so that they won't draft more than eight feet (typically loaded barges draft eleven feet of water).

So, why will this be a big deal, and why even more so this time of year? I'm glad that you asked.

One towboat can move fifteen barges. Fifteen barges can displace 1,050 large semi-tractor trailers or six locomotives with 216 rail cars. THAT'S HUGE..! In addition, a barge crew normally consists of 10 to 12 men, not 1,050 truck drivers.

Now for the "Big Deal". This is harvest season and the barges move grain from America's bread basket to market both domestic and export. Winter is approaching and the amount of coal, again for domestic power plant generation and export, will be diminished (we've got to charge those electric cars too). Fertilizer moves UP the Mississippi River this time of year and the farmers that need to till and fertilize will have limited resources, and of course, increased prices. Also, many farmlands rely on the river for irrigation, municipal areas rely on the river for their source of potable water (St. Louis, MO is one of them) as well as a way to expel their municipal and industrial waste (YUK..!).

Barges are becoming grounded in the low river level. The U.S Corp of Engineers is dredging where areas have been filled with silt, however, dredging does little if there is not enough water to raise the level.

I've attached a graphic that shows the carrying capacity of a typical 15-barge that moves up and down the Mississippi River and a graphic that shows the nation's various river basin drainage. The purple in the middle is the Mighty Mississippi which provides a reference as to how much of the nation feeds this river along its way to the Gulf of Mexico.

Buckle up, it's going to be a bumpy ride and this is another link....a significant link...in the supply chain.
We live within walking distance of the confluence ... (show quote)


WOW! You know barges and bugs!! Very interesting and important as this low water will/does impact all of us nationwide. Thanks for another "eye opener" Sippy.

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Oct 16, 2022 06:30:30   #
TanglewodFarmer Loc: NW.Ar.
 
Thank you joe

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