Trump Wins Bigly
Sep 23, 2022 20:05:36 #
Wyantry
Loc: SW Colorado
The Aardvark Is Ready wrote:
Bad law is always subject to be overturned. If not... (show quote)
AH! But the problem, as I view it, is that Hillary WAS NOT prosecuted — for the same things (or worse) than what Trump is accused of.
I predict that in the present political atmosphere, (and Democrat-controlled ‘system’) Trump is more likely to be charged with “something”.
However to claim Trump should somehow “get-away-with-it” because Hillary “got-away-with-it” seems exceptionally far fetched! And more than a little stupid.
Sep 23, 2022 20:09:31 #
The Aardvark Is Ready wrote:
Sorry, you are the one who is wrong. In Comey's televised statement and/or report, he said Hillary had over a hundred emails that were classified at the time of sending or receipt even though they bore no markings. Are you contradicting the FBI?
As to your second point, how could anybody find it true of Trump? Your statement talks of sending, not receiving or having. I haven;t heard of Trump sending any classified material to anyone.
As to your second point, how could anybody find it true of Trump? Your statement talks of sending, not receiving or having. I haven;t heard of Trump sending any classified material to anyone.
Source please and that’s the difference in Clinton case they were deemed that the info “should have been classified” but wasn’t.
In trumps case they were distinctly classified under cover sheets so stated.
Am I. Wrong?
Sep 23, 2022 20:27:15 #
DennyT wrote:
I understood that after the fact review it was deemed they “ should have been classified “ but Wernt .
Concerning your comment about removing the classification marking. Did she do it.
I don’t like her but honesty counts
Concerning your comment about removing the classification marking. Did she do it.
I don’t like her but honesty counts
No those were separate emails that were upclassified after the fact. No harm, no foul, in my book. That is not these emails we're talking about. We don't know who removed the markings. I don't know why the FBI was not more interested in that. I haven't heard of them even trying to find out.
Sep 23, 2022 20:39:28 #
DennyT wrote:
Source please and that’s the difference in Clinton case they were deemed that the info “should have been classified” but wasn’t.
In trumps case they were distinctly classified under cover sheets so stated.
Am I. Wrong?
In trumps case they were distinctly classified under cover sheets so stated.
Am I. Wrong?
The source is Comey himself and most reporting on the matter. He said she had emails that were classified at the time of receipt. And some others 3 or 4 I think actually did have markings. And some others were upclassified later. Now wether somebody just never put the markings on them or they were removed, we don't know cause I don't know if the FBI ever looked into that. But I find it hard to believe that someone just forgot to put the markings on all of them. Kinda absurd IMHO.
Sep 23, 2022 21:14:50 #
Wyantry
Loc: SW Colorado
DennyT wrote:
I understood that after the fact review it was deemed they “ should have been classified “ but Wernt .
Concerning your comment about removing the classification marking. Did she do it.
I don’t like her but honesty counts
Concerning your comment about removing the classification marking. Did she do it.
I don’t like her but honesty counts
One of the greatest problems with the Hillary matter is: Hillary evidently DID have SOME declassification authority, but only regarding documents originated by the State Department — not documents classified by other government agencies.
Those regulations applying to the State Department and Secretary of State are:
“5 FAM 480 — CLASSIFYING AND DECLASSIFYING NATIONAL SECURITY INFORMATION—EXECUTIVE ORDER 13526
(CT:IM-226; 10-31-2018)(Office of Origin: A/GIS/IPS)
5 FAM 484.2 Declassification Authority
(CT:IM-117; 06-16-2011)
a. Information generally may be declassified by:
(1) The official who authorized the original classification, if that official is still serving in the same position and has original classification authority;
(2) The originator’s successor in function if that official has original classification authority;
(3) A supervisory official of either if that official has original classification authority; or
(4) Officials delegated declassification authority in writing by the Secretary of State or the Under Secretary for Management.
b. The Department’s primary declassification authority is A/GIS/IPS which has been delegated declassification authority by the Under Secretary for Management. It is advisable to consult A/GIS/IPS on all declassification questions in order to ensure consistency in declassification decisions and updates of archival records in electronic systems. In all cases, A/GIS/IPS should be consulted on declassification determinations that may involve the equities of other agencies, foreign governments, or multiple offices within the Department. Diplomatic Security should be consulted for information sharing decisions for tribal, State, and local governments.
5 FAM 484.3 Declassification Marking
(CT:IM-205; 11-22-2017)
All declassified records, regardless of media format, must be marked in such a manner as to leave no doubt about the declassified status of the information and the identity of the declassification authority. Specifically, the classification marking must be marked through by Xs or a line and include:
(1) The word “Declassified;”
(2) The name or personal identifier and the position title of the declassification authority or Declassification Guide; and
(3) The date of declassification.
EXAMPLE OF DECLASSIFICATION MARKING:
CONFIDENTIAL
Declassified by John Jones,DAS,
Office of Foreign Missions, M/OFM,
08/17/05 [20050817]”
_________________
Trump was required to follow the same declassification schema, as set forth in:
CLASSIFYING AND DECLASSIFYING NATIONAL SECURITY INFORMATION—EXECUTIVE ORDER 13526
(CT:IM-226; 10-31-2018)
This EO is still in effect — it has not been revoked or superseded. Not by Trump. Not by Biden.
Trump was required to follow the declassification procedures described in the EO. Alternatively, Trump could have Revoked the EO, by Executive Order!
He did not do so, so he was legally bound to follow the order.
Sep 23, 2022 21:33:04 #
The Aardvark Is Ready wrote:
No those were separate emails that were upclassified after the fact. No harm, no foul, in my book. That is not these emails we're talking about. We don't know who removed the markings. I don't know why the FBI was not more interested in that. I haven't heard of them even trying to find out.
“ I think..”
“ We don't know who removed the markings..,””
Trump documented we’re clearing mark .
Totally different.
Source please ! That’s why I asked! Where they marked classified when clinton got them ?
Sep 23, 2022 21:34:15 #
Wyantry wrote:
One of the greatest problems with the Hillary matt... (show quote)
That doesn’t answer does it?
Sep 23, 2022 21:45:02 #
Wyantry
Loc: SW Colorado
DennyT wrote:
Source please and that’s the difference in Clinton case they were deemed that the info “should have been classified” but wasn’t.
In trumps case they were distinctly classified under cover sheets so stated.
Am I. Wrong?
In trumps case they were distinctly classified under cover sheets so stated.
Am I. Wrong?
In the Hillary case, there were some documents/e-mails that WERE classified. But removed/destroyed.
In Trumpf’s case, there ARE classified documents that were NOT properly declassified. Found and removed.
Sep 23, 2022 21:47:34 #
DennyT wrote:
That doesn’t answer does it?
Twenty eight pages of this bullshit is quite enough.....move on.....!!!
Sep 24, 2022 08:24:25 #
BooIsMyCat
Loc: Somewhere
The Aardvark Is Ready wrote:
I've read it 20 times already. It's been posted here already. I don't see where it counters anything.
OK then, get someone close to you to explain it.
Sep 24, 2022 08:26:28 #
BooIsMyCat
Loc: Somewhere
DennyT wrote:
That doesn’t answer does it?
He "thought" about revoking the previous EO so, in his mind, it WAS revoked.
Sep 24, 2022 08:57:27 #
BooIsMyCat wrote:
Totally disagree.... on all counts.
All you have are "but Hillary" responses.
Her case was NOT worse than Chump's. This isn't a childish response of "well he did it so, I should be able to do it to".
Point out the corrupt Democrats... line them up against your lily-white Republicans and then we'll compare.
All you have are "but Hillary" responses.
Her case was NOT worse than Chump's. This isn't a childish response of "well he did it so, I should be able to do it to".
Point out the corrupt Democrats... line them up against your lily-white Republicans and then we'll compare.
I don’t see any politician as being lily white. There will always be comparisons, that will never end. That’s the human nature way of comparing the magnitude of any situation.
Sep 24, 2022 09:15:08 #
BooIsMyCat
Loc: Somewhere
Penny MG wrote:
I don’t see any politician as being lily white. There will always be comparisons, that will never end. That’s the human nature way of comparing the magnitude of any situation.
Then why the "but, what about Hillary"?
Sep 24, 2022 09:17:38 #
BooIsMyCat wrote:
Then why the "but, what about Hillary"?
Is that not a term of comparison? I think that was just answered
Sep 24, 2022 15:11:29 #
DennyT wrote:
“ I think..”
“ We don't know who removed the markings..,””
Trump documented we’re clearing mark .
Totally different.
Source please ! That’s why I asked! Where they marked classified when clinton got them ?
“ We don't know who removed the markings..,””
Trump documented we’re clearing mark .
Totally different.
Source please ! That’s why I asked! Where they marked classified when clinton got them ?
I TOLD you the source. Comey's televised address on the subject. And I also already told you that most of the emails we're talking about were unmarked but still classified. I don't know how I can make it any clearer. And there were a few that were marked classified.
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