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Sep 15, 2022 08:14:07   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
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Meantime, the hidden question arises: Assuming that 21 million citizens lack an identification document for the usual purposes, then which political party benefits the most from this situation? This onlooker senses that the Democrat Party would gain the most from these unidentified individuals who decline to obtain an ID document.

Given so much at stake, a survey of this cohort appears in order to describe its makeup by political party, economic status, and social standing.

Further, consider that the Congress passed the Real ID program, requiring verification of identity to qualify for this national ID for travelers and for entrance to federal buildings. See more here: https://www.dhs.gov/real-id

This government program has stirred less controversy -- perhaps because it includes individuals used to more scrutiny since the Muslim terrorists attacked office buildings back east.
BooIsMyCat wrote:
You are very narrow minded.


As stated earlier:

Accord­ing to its own website, the Texas Secret­ary of State’s office has held only one event this year where elec­tion offi­cials have gone into communit­ies to provide free photo IDs to voters that need them, despite a legal require­ment that the state estab­lish a program to do so. Voter Suppression!


Millions of Americans Lack ID. 11% of U.S. citizens – or more than 21 million Americans – do not have government-issued photo identification.

Obtaining ID Costs Money. Even if ID is offered for free, voters must incur numerous costs (such as paying for birth certificates) to apply for a government-issued ID.

Underlying documents required to obtain ID cost money, a significant expense for lower-income Americans. The combined cost of document fees, travel expenses and waiting time are estimated to range from $75 to $175.

The travel required is often a major burden on people with disabilities, the elderly, or those in rural areas without access to a car or public transportation. In Texas, some people in rural areas must travel approximately 170 miles to reach the nearest ID office.

Voter ID Requirements are a Solution in Search of a Problem

In-person fraud is vanishingly rare. A recent study found that, since 2000, there were only 31 credible allegations of voter impersonation – the only type of fraud that photo IDs could prevent – during a period of time in which over 1 billion ballots were cast.

Identified instances of “fraud” are honest mistakes. So-called cases of in-person impersonation voter “fraud” are almost always the product of an elections worker or a voter making an honest mistake, and that even these mistakes are extremely infrequent.

Voter ID laws are a waste of taxpayer dollars. States incur sizeable costs when implementing voter ID laws, including the cost of educating the public, training poll workers, and providing IDs to voters.

Texas spent nearly $2 million on voter education and outreach efforts following passage of its Voter ID law.

Indiana spent over $10 million to produce free ID cards between 2007 and 2010.

And, YOU are one of many who cries about TOO MUCH GOVERNMENT SPENDING?

I even bet that YOU support a national ID card.
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Sep 15, 2022 08:16:49   #
BooIsMyCat Loc: Somewhere
 
btbg wrote:
I am opposed to too much government spending. They shouldn't have spent any money on producing free ID cards or outreach efforts. If people can't get ID on their own and can't understand the rules then why should they be allowed to vote? Don't we want an educated electorate?

No I don't support a national ID card. Elections are the purview of the states. Federal government should largely butt out.


You want everyone to get their own ID card... yet, you say NOTHING about ND not requiring one for a person to vote.

You "claim" voter fraud but, to date, I have provided YOU with statistics that indicate voter fraud is no where near what you, on the right, claim it is. I have YET to see any statistics OR proof from the right that voter fraud IS an important issue.

Smoke and Mirrors is all you got.

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Sep 15, 2022 12:06:50   #
btbg
 
BooIsMyCat wrote:
You want everyone to get their own ID card... yet, you say NOTHING about ND not requiring one for a person to vote.

You "claim" voter fraud but, to date, I have provided YOU with statistics that indicate voter fraud is no where near what you, on the right, claim it is. I have YET to see any statistics OR proof from the right that voter fraud IS an important issue.

Smoke and Mirrors is all you got.


If you go back and look I have never claimed voter fraud. I have consistently claimed that the election was stolen by illegal changes in voting rules that governors and secretaries of state did in the name of covid as well as social media that lied about the Hunter Biden lap top. You will not find anything from me about voter fraud other than one or two comments about 2000 Mules.

As for North Dakota. Look at my last statement in the previous post. Voting is the purview of the individual states. So, if North Dakota wants to run things one way and Texas wants to do it a different way, that's up to them. My assertion about voter I.D. has nothing to do with who does what, only that if a state wants to require it they should be allowed to require it, and it is on the individual voter to get the required I.D., not the state.

It's called personal responsibility.

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Sep 15, 2022 12:41:05   #
soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca
 
ArtzDarkroom wrote:
That phrase on flagged bumper stickers was aimed at us leftist, anti-"pig", anti-war, anti-racist, pro-Farmworker's union, Berkeley free-speech, pro-women's equality protesters, by the right-wing conservative (Dem/Republican) side. My how things turned out.

"The Revolution Will Not Be Televised" according to Gil Scott Heron. lol, it was televised on Jan 6th. But it wasn't the radical leftist attacking Washington, it was those same conservative radicals that packed weapons and killed Capitol Police. My how things turned out.

Even I thought my side would be armed to overthrow the gov't. My how things turned out.
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Lol the dogs are in the street.
Gil Scott Heron ok

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Sep 15, 2022 13:04:52   #
BooIsMyCat Loc: Somewhere
 
btbg wrote:
If you go back and look I have never claimed voter fraud. I have consistently claimed that the election was stolen by illegal changes in voting rules that governors and secretaries of state did in the name of covid as well as social media that lied about the Hunter Biden lap top. You will not find anything from me about voter fraud other than one or two comments about 2000 Mules.

As for North Dakota. Look at my last statement in the previous post. Voting is the purview of the individual states. So, if North Dakota wants to run things one way and Texas wants to do it a different way, that's up to them. My assertion about voter I.D. has nothing to do with who does what, only that if a state wants to require it they should be allowed to require it, and it is on the individual voter to get the required I.D., not the state.

It's called personal responsibility.
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Well then, you want the government to turn things over to the states, you want fewer taxes, you want, you want, you want.... Why not take some PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY and go talk to the people who can properly address your "wants"?

It seems like you think telling everyone in the Attic what you think should be... will make a difference.

Do you eat cheese with your whine?

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Sep 15, 2022 15:26:22   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
I understand that the Constitution authorizes the individual states to arrange and run national elections.

The Democrats want to federalize this election business, according to recent news reports.
btbg wrote:
If you go back and look I have never claimed voter fraud. I have consistently claimed that the election was stolen by illegal changes in voting rules that governors and secretaries of state did in the name of covid as well as social media that lied about the Hunter Biden lap top. You will not find anything from me about voter fraud other than one or two comments about 2000 Mules.

As for North Dakota. Look at my last statement in the previous post. Voting is the purview of the individual states. So, if North Dakota wants to run things one way and Texas wants to do it a different way, that's up to them. My assertion about voter I.D. has nothing to do with who does what, only that if a state wants to require it they should be allowed to require it, and it is on the individual voter to get the required I.D., not the state.

It's called personal responsibility.
If you go back and look I have never claimed voter... (show quote)

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Sep 22, 2022 13:17:17   #
Penny MG Loc: Fresno, Texas
 
BooIsMyCat wrote:
Making it harder for people in poor areas to vote does NOT improve voter integrity, not one bit.

Trying to take control of election outcomes does NOT support your claim.

IF the GOP truly wanted voter integrity, then why don't they do away with the electoral college?


Your comment about the democrats is BS.

If you don't use voter ID then, what exactly do you propose to use to prove you are a legal citizen?

In this year’s elec­tion, Texas voters are facing a new voter iden­ti­fic­a­tion law. For many of them, it’ll mean present­ing one of a short list of photo IDs at the polls before cast­ing a ballot. But voters who face obstacles to obtain­ing one of those photo IDs are still able to vote. Those voters need to present another accept­able docu­ment veri­fy­ing their iden­tity, like a current util­ity bill, and sign a sworn state­ment indic­at­ing the reason that they were unable to obtain one of the accep­ted photo IDs.

Yet, accord­ing to its own website, the Texas Secret­ary of State’s office has held only one event this year where elec­tion offi­cials have gone into communit­ies to provide free photo IDs to voters that need them, despite a legal require­ment that the state estab­lish a program to do so.

As you drive the highways of Houston, you might also have seen a billboard indicating you need a passport in order to vote. That's simply NOT true!

That is NOT trying to establish voting integrity! Just the opposite!
Making it harder for people in poor areas to vote ... (show quote)


I have not seen any such billboard in Houston. Also it is not difficult for a person in Texas to get a valid I.D. regardless of their circumstances. Many churches offer to help people get to where they need to go for those who do not have transportation. Some of us from the church have even offered to pay for those who are poor. In every aspect of everyone's life there is a need for proper I.D., so the I.D. issue is just beating a dead horse.

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Sep 22, 2022 14:02:24   #
hondo812 Loc: Massachusetts
 
Penny MG wrote:
I have not seen any such billboard in Houston. Also it is not difficult for a person in Texas to get a valid I.D. regardless of their circumstances. Many churches offer to help people get to where they need to go for those who do not have transportation. Some of us from the church have even offered to pay for those who are poor. In every aspect of everyone's life there is a need for proper I.D., so the I.D. issue is just beating a dead horse.



I don't want to work
I want to bang on the drum all day

Todd Rundgren

Drums use dead animal skin. Goats, cows, and I'd imagine horses too.

The lyrics are the mantra of the Left. I am not surprised they beat a dead horse....

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Sep 23, 2022 09:48:36   #
BooIsMyCat Loc: Somewhere
 
Penny MG wrote:
I have not seen any such billboard in Houston. Also it is not difficult for a person in Texas to get a valid I.D. regardless of their circumstances. Many churches offer to help people get to where they need to go for those who do not have transportation. Some of us from the church have even offered to pay for those who are poor. In every aspect of everyone's life there is a need for proper I.D., so the I.D. issue is just beating a dead horse.


Well, at least you admit you are a hypocrite.

I cannot produce a birth certificate. That is something that is asked for when applying for an ID. Sometimes, in places like Texas, it's almost impossible to get an ID w/o a birth certificate.

PS... Texas is NOT the only state in the union... there are a couple more.

I also bring up ND.... NO ID needed to vote there so, why not the same in other red states?

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Sep 24, 2022 08:41:03   #
Penny MG Loc: Fresno, Texas
 
BooIsMyCat wrote:
Well, at least you admit you are a hypocrite.

I cannot produce a birth certificate. That is something that is asked for when applying for an ID. Sometimes, in places like Texas, it's almost impossible to get an ID w/o a birth certificate.

PS... Texas is NOT the only state in the union... there are a couple more.

I also bring up ND.... NO ID needed to vote there so, why not the same in other red states?


What does your unique circumstances have to do with me being a hypocrite. Since you were throwing insults that means You have no real argument

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Sep 24, 2022 08:53:54   #
BooIsMyCat Loc: Somewhere
 
Penny MG wrote:
What does your unique circumstances have to do with me being a hypocrite. Since you were throwing insults that means You have no real argument


Deflect much?

Can't answer simple questions?

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Sep 24, 2022 09:15:56   #
Penny MG Loc: Fresno, Texas
 
BooIsMyCat wrote:
Deflect much?

Can't answer simple questions?


Without living there and knowing ALL of their protocols I cannot answer that question. But I am sure YOU think it’s because everyone there is so honest, LOL.

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Sep 24, 2022 10:28:31   #
BooIsMyCat Loc: Somewhere
 
Penny MG wrote:
Without living there and knowing ALL of their protocols I cannot answer that question. But I am sure YOU think it’s because everyone there is so honest, LOL.


Now, you are just blowing smoke....

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Sep 24, 2022 20:31:36   #
rwoodvira
 
[quote=dennis2146]

I guess you missed this:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/capitol-riot-weapons-deadly-dangerous/

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Sep 24, 2022 20:36:53   #
BooIsMyCat Loc: Somewhere
 
[quote=rwoodvira]

He misses an awful lot. That explains why he makes things up as he goes.

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