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Sep 8, 2022 15:57:21   #
Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal
 
Penny MG wrote:
Dershowitz, the liberal lawyer, said that when Trump was president (and this goes for all presidents as well) he had the right to declassify any document either verbally or in writing.


Why is Trump's current legal team not making that argument in wither the court filings or in oral arguments?

AD us hardly a liberal and whether he is or is not makes no difference. If you want to quote a liberal, try Lawrence Tribe, Professor of Constitute Law, Harvard. Need some links? I got thousands of them.

You also might want to check out what William Barr has been saying all over Fox this week.

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Sep 8, 2022 16:08:02   #
Penny MG Loc: Fresno, Texas
 
mwalsh wrote:
Aardvark knows the attic well...it is Rac.


ya think? It may be someone from the past, but I truly don't think it is Rac.

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Sep 8, 2022 16:10:59   #
Penny MG Loc: Fresno, Texas
 
Bazbo wrote:
Trump swore that he returned all of the materials covered by the subpoena--which was necessary because would not hand over the documents when he was asked nicely. Then he lied under oath about returning all the documents. The search--which was necessary because he lied in the affidavit-- proved that he did not. That looks like Trump is in jeopardy for charges of obstruction and perjury and thats before we even get to the violations of the Espionage Act. I admire the mental and logical gymnastics you are putting yourself through to defend Trump, but it won't change the facts.

Face it--if Biden or Obama had done even half of this, Trump Town would have a collective pants crap you could smell from space.

But feel free to keep obsessing about Hunter. Out here where facts and evidence and rule of law actually matters, there's bigger fish to fry.
Trump swore that he returned all of the materials ... (show quote)


I never said anything about that POS Hunter. We'll see what happens. Hunter will go down and most likely so will his POS pathological liar father.

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Sep 8, 2022 16:14:41   #
Penny MG Loc: Fresno, Texas
 
Bazbo wrote:
You saying so does not make it true. I would love to see whatever evidence backs up your opinion.Why did he not return the docs when he was first asked? Why dis he have them in the first place? Why did the judge sign off the search warrant?

Please read the Espionage Act and the Presidential Records Act before you respond.


I heard that on the mainstream news, it is not me "saying so". Why don't you ask Obama or other prior presidents why they still has government documents? Listen to the interviews of the lawyers of past presidents..... they are the ones stating that ALL presidents take documents before exiting their position.

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Sep 8, 2022 16:18:46   #
Penny MG Loc: Fresno, Texas
 
Bazbo wrote:
Why is Trump's current legal team not making that argument in wither the court filings or in oral arguments?

AD us hardly a liberal and whether he is or is not makes no difference. If you want to quote a liberal, try Lawrence Tribe, Professor of Constitute Law, Harvard. Need some links? I got thousands of them.

You also might want to check out what William Barr has been saying all over Fox this week.


Are you involved in all the current proceedings? you have NO idea the extent of the conversations or arguments being made behind closed doors.

Barr is bought and paid for. He will try to distance himself from anything to do with Trump to keep the lefties from haunting him like everyone else they have persecuted because they worked for Trump.

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Sep 9, 2022 13:56:18   #
Frank T Loc: New York, NY
 
Penny MG wrote:
Frank.....how about you post a picture of yourself so we can see how old and FAT you most likely are?


I am neither, but I'd love to see a picture of you that was taken in the last 10 years.
I bet I could use it to design a Halloween mask.

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Sep 9, 2022 14:00:03   #
Frank T Loc: New York, NY
 
Penny MG wrote:
I heard that on the mainstream news, it is not me "saying so". Why don't you ask Obama or other prior presidents why they still has government documents? Listen to the interviews of the lawyers of past presidents..... they are the ones stating that ALL presidents take documents before exiting their position.


Why don't you tell us what former Presidents, other than Fat Donny have Classified material in their homes?

While you're at it, riddle me this:

Empty folders that may have contained nuclear secrets are found in Fat Donny's Office but the files are missing.
Meanwhile, Don Trump Jr and Jared have received three billion dollars from the Saudis.
Do you think that's suspicious, or are you as dense as I believe you are?

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Sep 9, 2022 16:25:41   #
Bill 45
 
Frank T wrote:
Why don't you tell us what former Presidents, other than Fat Donny have Classified material in their homes?

While you're at it, riddle me this:

Empty folders that may have contained nuclear secrets are found in Fat Donny's Office but the files are missing.
Meanwhile, Don Trump Jr and Jared have received three billion dollars from the Saudis.
Do you think that's suspicious, or are you as dense as I believe you are?


If that is true, Don Trump Jr. & Jared could end up hanging from a yard arm.

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Sep 9, 2022 16:37:04   #
Shutterbug1697 Loc: Northeast
 
The Aardvark Is Ready wrote:
Just cause you have TDS doesn't mean his Constitutional rights can be violated.

WHAT Constitutional rights are you alluding to as being violated?

Specifics please.

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Sep 9, 2022 16:37:14   #
Frank T Loc: New York, NY
 
Bill 45 wrote:
If that is true, Don Trump Jr. & Jared could end up hanging from a yard arm.


I'm good with that.

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Sep 9, 2022 16:40:38   #
Shutterbug1697 Loc: Northeast
 
btbg wrote:
The FBI has acknowledged that amongst the papers that they took were some that should have been covered by attorney client privilege, so, they appear to have violated that. Secondly, the search warrant seems to have been overly broad, which would violate his fourth amendment rights as well.

Those alleged "Attorney / Client" privilege documents have been separated out from the "Government owned documents".

Exactly why do you feel that the Search Warrant was overly broad?

Specifics please.

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Sep 9, 2022 16:45:48   #
Shutterbug1697 Loc: Northeast
 
The Aardvark Is Ready wrote:
LOL. We're supposed to trust them????? They shouldn't have taken them in the first place.

Sorry, but as with any Search Warrant, any items in close proximity to items sought in a Search Warrant are subject to seizure at the same time as items included in the Search Warrant.

If the peripheral items turn out to be outside of the scope of the Search Warrant, those peripheral items will later be returned to the rightful owner.

We're the passports teturned?

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Sep 9, 2022 16:46:19   #
Shutterbug1697 Loc: Northeast
 
Frank T wrote:
Congratulations to Fat Donny. One of the corrupt judges he appointed has paid off for him.

Temporarily

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Sep 9, 2022 17:37:51   #
Shutterbug1697 Loc: Northeast
 
The Aardvark Is Ready wrote:
I think you grounded into a triple play. What else is she supposed to say for now? She's being very judicious. If she said anything else, she would be accused of being partisan by howlers like you. Wait for the Master's report.

Master's report?

The problem with requesting a Special Master, is that whoever is selected, will not only need a Top Secret Clearance, but then will need to also be read into and out of the ts/sci level and those documents also marked with Top Secret SI, Top Secret HCS, and Top Secret/SAP.

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Sep 9, 2022 17:41:52   #
Shutterbug1697 Loc: Northeast
 
The Aardvark Is Ready wrote:
So that excuses you??????
And I could probably say with 100% certainty that I wouldn't be the first person to call you an idiot. But see, I'm not rude like you and wouldn't do that.
I think I'll warn others not to join UHH, because some members seem to be very accusatory without any evidence and don't like new members invading their personal playground. But I won't go anywhere. I'll stick around just to annoy you.

Careful, that language could get you suspended.

Go read the rules for the Attic, which are posted at the top of the Attic homepage.

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