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Aug 28, 2022 18:13:00   #
SteveG Loc: Norh Carolina
 
Lagoonguy wrote:
My wife and I are in Iceland currently and we have RX100 VIIs along with our Pan G9’s and 5 lenses between us plus a camcorder. Frankly I enjoy selecting the best lens for the occasion but my wife’s Oly 12-100 f/4 (24-200 equiv.) is a great lens for most everything. We love to use the RX100s as backups but frankly from what I am seeing the RX100s will work for everything except when you need a water sealed kit and when you need to be below f2.8, but that probably will not be a problem unless you find yourself in a very dark cathedral. We like multiple cameras just in case one gets compromised and it almost happened to us today. We have three Sony batteries each which is about 750 shots. I recommend you take at least that many. Enjoy Portugal, we’ve been there many times and love the country.
My wife and I are in Iceland currently and we have... (show quote)


Thanks! I have the equipment covered! Batteries and all. Enjoy Iceland! Was there many years ago.

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Aug 28, 2022 18:52:51   #
Rick from NY Loc: Sarasota FL
 
ORpilot wrote:
Any Point and shoot will be better that a changeable lens camera for being sealed against dust and dirt. Especially if you change lenses. I vote for the Sony RX100 series. Besides that it is very pocketable if the weather gets bad.


From my earlier replies, it’s clear that I love my RX100m7, but I’m not entirely convinced that the RX100 or any point and shoot zoom will be better than an slr against dust. Every time you turn the Sony on and off, the zoom lens extends out and in a fair distance and it’s pretty much a given that any zoom lens that lengthens and shortens sucks in crap. And the pop up viewfinder and pop up flash also leave the Sony vulnerable. I’ve never personally had a situation where dust/dirt/sand was a problem, but there are vulnerabilities. I have no tests or facts to back up my opinion, but I suspect that as long as you exercise good technique when changing slr lenses (like pointing the mirror box down at all times) and don’t change lenses in adverse conditions, this particular P&S Sony won’t be better than the slrs and probably worse. A P&S without moving lens and without any pop up parts may indeed be “cleaner”, but not this Sony.

With any camera/lens combo, it is good practice to avoid exposing the gear in adverse environments. For paying gigs where I need the shot, my “pro level” Nikon gear is the best defense against dust, etc, but if I shoot on a beach in strong wind, I just accept that there may be some adverse effects and exercise as much caution as possible. I may also slap a protective filter on my lens. PLEASE - NO COMMENTS ABOUT THE WISDOM OF USING A PROTECTIVE FILTER!!! I can’t bear the thought of yet another 10 page silly argument about that subject. 😎

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Aug 28, 2022 19:00:25   #
SteveG Loc: Norh Carolina
 
Rick from NY wrote:
From my earlier replies, it’s clear that I love my RX100m7, but I’m not entirely convinced that the RX100 or any point and shoot zoom will be better than an slr against dust. Every time you turn the Sony on and off, the zoom lens extends out and in a fair distance and it’s pretty much a given that any zoom lens that lengthens and shortens sucks in crap. And the pop up viewfinder and pop up flash also leave the Sony vulnerable. I’ve never personally had a situation where dust/dirt/sand was a problem, but there are vulnerabilities. I have no tests or facts to back up my opinion, but I suspect that as long as you exercise good technique when changing slr lenses (like pointing the mirror box down at all times) and don’t change lenses in adverse conditions, this particular P&S Sony won’t be better than the slrs and probably worse. A P&S without moving lens and without any pop up parts may indeed be “cleaner”, but not this Sony.

With any camera/lens combo, it is good practice to avoid exposing the gear in adverse environments. For paying gigs where I need the shot, my “pro level” Nikon gear is the best defense against dust, etc, but if I shoot on a beach in strong wind, I just accept that there may be some adverse effects and exercise as much caution as possible. I may also slap a protective filter on my lens. PLEASE - NO COMMENTS ABOUT THE WISDOM OF USING A PROTECTIVE FILTER!!! I can’t bear the thought of yet another 10 page silly argument about that subject. 😎
From my earlier replies, it’s clear that I love my... (show quote)


All good points!

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Aug 28, 2022 19:08:31   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
SteveG wrote:
The A7rII takes only the Laea4, which I have. The only A mount lens I have is a Minolta 100-300mm. But that gets into taking too much again. I think the 28-60mm, the 16-35mm and the RX in my pocket is the winning combination for me. This has been a great discussion!


The more you use the RX the less you will care about the FF........especially in a travel scenario.

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Aug 28, 2022 21:47:35   #
SteveG Loc: Norh Carolina
 
imagemeister wrote:
The more you use the RX the less you will care about the FF........especially in a travel scenario.


👍👍👍 Last time I took my A7r2 on a trip, albeit my entire kit, I longed for a pocket camera. It wasn't a once in a lifetime trip but a trip nevertheless. I would not have taken it then.

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Aug 28, 2022 21:49:21   #
lreisner Loc: Union,NJ
 
SteveG wrote:
We're planning a trip to Portugal next year and I'm debating whether to take my full frame or my compact. What would you take with you? If it is the full frame, then is their one lens you would take with you? (I have a 28-60mm, 16-35mm). Or, is the Sony rx100vii sufficient for a trip to Europe? Looking forward to hearing your opinions!


Take both cameras unless you just want to travel lite. Take the 28-60. The rx100 vii will cover the range beyond. I just came back from Iceland and Greenland and used both my Sony AR7M4 with a 24-70 and the Sony RX100 VII. I carried a 70-180 but rarely used it. Changing lenses in the field rarely was a good option due to the elements.

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Aug 28, 2022 21:56:39   #
SteveG Loc: Norh Carolina
 
lreisner wrote:
Take both cameras unless you just want to travel lite. Take the 28-60. The rx100 vii will cover the range beyond. I just came back from Iceland and Greenland and used both my Sony AR7M4 with a 24-70 and the Sony RX100 VII. I carried a 70-180 but rarely used it. Changing lenses in the field rarely was a good option due to the elements.


THAT is exactly what I have decided on, with maybe my 16-35. I'm sure I'll have great landscape opportunities that I'll want on FF and the 28-60 is very capable on the A7r2. I'm really surprised at how many have had similar situations and similar equipment. It's been a terrific response!

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Aug 28, 2022 22:07:34   #
ORpilot Loc: Prineville, Or
 
I have the RX100v, RX10IV, RX10iii, a6500, a7ii, a7iii, a7Riv and a9. Every year I get the Full Frame and a6500 cameras cleaned by Sony Pro Services. My RX have never needed sensor cleaning in the 4 plus years and some 20,000 shots each. I would say that is a pretty good testament for Sony RX cameras.

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Aug 29, 2022 01:15:10   #
gwilliams6
 
Rick from NY wrote:
From my earlier replies, it’s clear that I love my RX100m7, but I’m not entirely convinced that the RX100 or any point and shoot zoom will be better than an slr against dust. Every time you turn the Sony on and off, the zoom lens extends out and in a fair distance and it’s pretty much a given that any zoom lens that lengthens and shortens sucks in crap. And the pop up viewfinder and pop up flash also leave the Sony vulnerable. I’ve never personally had a situation where dust/dirt/sand was a problem, but there are vulnerabilities. I have no tests or facts to back up my opinion, but I suspect that as long as you exercise good technique when changing slr lenses (like pointing the mirror box down at all times) and don’t change lenses in adverse conditions, this particular P&S Sony won’t be better than the slrs and probably worse. A P&S without moving lens and without any pop up parts may indeed be “cleaner”, but not this Sony.

With any camera/lens combo, it is good practice to avoid exposing the gear in adverse environments. For paying gigs where I need the shot, my “pro level” Nikon gear is the best defense against dust, etc, but if I shoot on a beach in strong wind, I just accept that there may be some adverse effects and exercise as much caution as possible. I may also slap a protective filter on my lens. PLEASE - NO COMMENTS ABOUT THE WISDOM OF USING A PROTECTIVE FILTER!!! I can’t bear the thought of yet another 10 page silly argument about that subject. 😎
From my earlier replies, it’s clear that I love my... (show quote)


Get some facts straight. Sony doesn't make any SLRs. The A7RII is an MILC, Mirrorless interchangeable lens camera, without any SLR mirror box.

The Sony RX100VII is no more prone to dirt, dust etc, than any camera with any telescoping zoom lens attached ,SLR or DSLR included . The RX100VII can be used with the pop-up EVF up or with the EVF down, just using the large rear screen if necessary.

UHHers that aren't actually familiar with the two cameras mentioned are really just speculating on the dust resistance of those two cameras.

The OP has already decided to take both his cameras. I have owned the A7RII and have also shot with the RX100VII and from my own experience the OP will not be needing to worry about dirt and dust more than with any other camera.

Cheers and best to you.

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Aug 29, 2022 01:33:27   #
JimH123 Loc: Morgan Hill, CA
 
imagemeister wrote:
The more you use the RX the less you will care about the FF........especially in a travel scenario.


Very true!!!

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Aug 29, 2022 11:04:05   #
Rick from NY Loc: Sarasota FL
 
gwilliams6 wrote:
Get some facts straight. Sony doesn't make any SLRs. The A7RII is an MILC, Mirrorless interchangeable lens camera, without any SLR mirror box.

The Sony RX100VII is no more prone to dirt, dust etc, than any camera with any telescoping zoom lens attached ,SLR or DSLR included . The RX100VII can be used with the pop-up EVF up or with the EVF down, just using the large rear screen if necessary.

UHHers that aren't actually familiar with the two cameras mentioned are really just speculating on the dust resistance of those two cameras.

The OP has already decided to take both his cameras. I have owned the A7RII and have also shot with the RX100VII and from my own experience the OP will not be needing to worry about dirt and dust more than with any other camera.

Cheers and best to you.
Get some facts straight. Sony doesn't make any SLR... (show quote)


Gee professor - I’m sure glad you “straightened” me out on the distinction between mirrorless and mirrored. Do you think anyone here other than you misunderstood or was confused by my comment about facing the “mirror box” down?

As far as any zoom drawing in dust, did you miss my comment that ALL extending zoom lenses suffer from that?
The point I was making was that with an extendable zoom on any camera, you can try to minimize the zooming in adverse conditions. With the RX, every time the camera turns on and off, the lens cycles in and out.

And your comment about using the RX without the pop up finder in poor conditions- not using the finder would be a deal killer for many.

And lastly - of course my comments about the dust resistance of the RX was speculation. I said so in my reply. Yet in your reply to me you state “ UHHers that aren't actually familiar with the two cameras mentioned are really just speculating on the dust resistance of those two cameras” while saying earlier “ The Sony RX100VII is no more prone to dirt, dust etc, than any camera with any telescoping zoom lens attached ,SLR or DSLR included” . Is that last comment a fact, or are you just speculating?

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Aug 29, 2022 13:38:22   #
markwilliam1
 
Rick from NY wrote:
Gee professor - I’m sure glad you “straightened” me out on the distinction between mirrorless and mirrored. Do you think anyone here other than you misunderstood or was confused by my comment about facing the “mirror box” down?

As far as any zoom drawing in dust, did you miss my comment that ALL extending zoom lenses suffer from that?
The point I was making was that with an extendable zoom on any camera, you can try to minimize the zooming in adverse conditions. With the RX, every time the camera turns on and off, the lens cycles in and out.

And your comment about using the RX without the pop up finder in poor conditions- not using the finder would be a deal killer for many.

And lastly - of course my comments about the dust resistance of the RX was speculation. I said so in my reply. Yet in your reply to me you state “ UHHers that aren't actually familiar with the two cameras mentioned are really just speculating on the dust resistance of those two cameras” while saying earlier “ The Sony RX100VII is no more prone to dirt, dust etc, than any camera with any telescoping zoom lens attached ,SLR or DSLR included” . Is that last comment a fact, or are you just speculating?
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As others have stated who “Really” own this camera….I’ve taken thousands of pictures with it and Absolutely no dirty sensor pictures from dust or any other abnormalities Anywhere and them…includes pixel peeping! On my Sony A77ii I have all kinds of dust and such from changing lenses!

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Aug 29, 2022 14:06:50   #
rothphotog Loc: Orlando, FL
 
imagemeister wrote:
Unless you are SELLING big prints or working for NatGeo, I would take the RX and have FUN. - and yes, I do have a RX10 - I know the 100 is a little different.
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After using an RX100 VI, have made beautiful 11x14 B&W prints of dimly-lit Scottish castle interiors (hand-held). Yes, I missed my D750, but the diminutive Sony proved to be exceptionally capable - even if somewhat hard to hold.

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Aug 29, 2022 14:09:33   #
Red6
 
I do not have a case for my RX100 iii, but I have read that some of the half-cases make it much easier to hold and operate.
Anyone with an RX100 used these types of cases?

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Aug 29, 2022 14:15:26   #
jno
 
SteveG wrote:
We're planning a trip to Portugal next year and I'm debating whether to take my full frame or my compact. What would you take with you? If it is the full frame, then is their one lens you would take with you? (I have a 28-60mm, 16-35mm). Or, is the Sony rx100vii sufficient for a trip to Europe? Looking forward to hearing your opinions!


Just returned from trips to Canada and Scotland with the RX100vii. lens is fantastic, 200mm is plenty long and 24mm is fine inside. Crank up the ISO inside or fill with built in flash. Extra batteries are a must. If on a tour you won't have time to futz around with lens changes, etc. Have fun!

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