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Aug 26, 2022 12:30:52   #
Basil Loc: New Mexico
 
Resqu2 wrote:
I traded my 5D4 for the R6 mainly for the better tracking system as I do tons of running photos. I can’t tell Any difference in image quality and some photos are heavily cropped before delivery. I loved my 5D4 but the R6 has been a game changer for doing sports/running.


You are exactly the type of user I was hoping to hear from - someone who has actually made the switch I was asking about. I know there is a psychological barrier to having less MP, but from what I understand the sensor in the R6 is essentially the same sensor Canon has in their $6500 flagship 1DX Mark III so it is almost certainly a very capable sensor, even if the ability to crop isn't as spectacular.

PS: I will soon respond to your kind PM.

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Aug 26, 2022 13:29:10   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
A couple of final things to consider. While the R5 & R6 do employ advanced face/eye detection, DPAF (dual pixel AF) is present on the 5D4 as well as the R5/R6. Personally, I haven’t found the value to be worth the much larger files. Also, while IBIS is especially useful with non IS and shorter FL lenses, most of Canon’s later generation lenses and L series (including the 300mm f4) have in-lens IS which is generally considered to be more useful for longer FLs. I’m not sure if combining IBIS and IS on later Canon lenses and R bodies is an improvement over in-lens IS at longer FLs. Finally, I think when you refer to shutter speed, you’re probably referring to the mechanical frame rate (since both the 5D4 and R5/6 have 1/8000 max speed) which is 12 fps for the R6 vs 7 fps on the 5D4.

Best of luck on whichever way you decide to go.
Cheers

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Aug 26, 2022 13:36:07   #
Basil Loc: New Mexico
 
TriX wrote:
... Finally, I think when you refer to shutter speed, you’re probably referring to the mechanical frame rate (since both the 5D4 and R5/6 have 1/8000 max speed) which is 12 fps for the R6 vs 7 fps on the 5D4.

Best of luck on whichever way you decide to go.
Cheers


Yes, you are correct. I misspoke. I meant to say the FPS (Frame Rate) being better (12 vs 7, as you said, with possibility of up to 20FPS with electronic shutter).

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Aug 26, 2022 14:44:39   #
josquin1 Loc: Massachusetts
 
Basil wrote:
See my previous reply - that's opine of my considerations. I could buy the R6 with a 24-105 F4 RF lens for less than the R5 body alone.


I have the R6 with the RF 24-105mm f4 and I love it. A great combination. It's my everyday walk around lens. I also have the RF 400, and the EF 16-35 f4 and I somehow feel complete.

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Aug 26, 2022 15:40:58   #
DavidM Loc: New Orleans, LA
 
Basil wrote:
Thanks for sharing your real-world experience. As it happens, I had a 6D before I upgraded to the 5D4 and your post got me thinking - why not go back and look at similar images from both cameras and do some cropping to assess how much difference in image degradation there might be between the 6D and 5D4 when cropped by the same amount. Since the 6D is also 20MP (like the R6) perhaps that will give me an idea of what the R6 IQ might be like (though I'm guessing the 20MP sensor in the R6 is much better than the 20MP sensor in the older 6D?)

By the way, my main reasons for considering moving to an R6 (or "maybe" R5) are 1) for the IBIS and 2) what I understand is an amazing dual pixel AF system with eye/face tracking and 3) the incredible shutter speeds compared to the 5D4. I am VERY aware that technically the R5 would be a better camera overall (a good friend has one) and I could crop more aggressively, but truth be told, I don't often crop that aggressively, preferring instead to use a lens appropriate to the task. Would I love to have the R5? Of course but, being retired and on a fixed income, I'm having a hard time with the notion of plopping down nearly $4,000 for an R5 without any RF glass when I could get the R6 WITH a decent 24-105 f4 RF lens for $300 less than the R5 body alone. I also like the idea of having two identical card slots and not needing to invest in yet another card system (CF express), which adds additional expense.

I'm attaching four images, two of which were taken with the 20MP 6D (one full sized and one cropped the equivalent of 100% zoom). The other two images were taken with the 30MP 5D4. In both sets the ISO was 100 and the lens was a Canon 300m Prime shot at f4. Without cheating and looking at image dimensions, just from viewing the images, can you tell which set was taken with the 6D and which were with the 5D4?
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No I can't... I don't believe anyone can. Everyone needs to stop assuming you can't crop much with the R6. Most everyone here hasn't used the R6. I crop a lot with my camera and it doesn't bother me one bit.

You need to realize that with the IBIS, phenomenal auto focus with eye/facial tracking along with the premium RF lenses and the great ISO handling that your pictures are going to be much better and clearer than you have ever had. The keeper rate is also much much better. I guarantee that you will be very happy owning the R6.

I'm taking much better pictures than I ever have with this camera. The entire line of RF lenses are much better than the EF lenses. That's why they cost so much more. You really need to at least rent one and try it out for yourself.

Also if you need to pixel peep an image to see any differences then you are proving to yourself how good the R6 is. I'm not a professional photographer but I know if you had to take pictures professionally with the R6 that no one could tell the difference... Attached are three photos I took with my camera.


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Aug 26, 2022 16:27:53   #
DavidM Loc: New Orleans, LA
 
Basil wrote:
Thanks for sharing your real-world experience. As it happens, I had a 6D before I upgraded to the 5D4 and your post got me thinking - why not go back and look at similar images from both cameras and do some cropping to assess how much difference in image degradation there might be between the 6D and 5D4 when cropped by the same amount. Since the 6D is also 20MP (like the R6) perhaps that will give me an idea of what the R6 IQ might be like (though I'm guessing the 20MP sensor in the R6 is much better than the 20MP sensor in the older 6D?)

By the way, my main reasons for considering moving to an R6 (or "maybe" R5) are 1) for the IBIS and 2) what I understand is an amazing dual pixel AF system with eye/face tracking and 3) the incredible shutter speeds compared to the 5D4. I am VERY aware that technically the R5 would be a better camera overall (a good friend has one) and I could crop more aggressively, but truth be told, I don't often crop that aggressively, preferring instead to use a lens appropriate to the task. Would I love to have the R5? Of course but, being retired and on a fixed income, I'm having a hard time with the notion of plopping down nearly $4,000 for an R5 without any RF glass when I could get the R6 WITH a decent 24-105 f4 RF lens for $300 less than the R5 body alone. I also like the idea of having two identical card slots and not needing to invest in yet another card system (CF express), which adds additional expense.

I'm attaching four images, two of which were taken with the 20MP 6D (one full sized and one cropped the equivalent of 100% zoom). The other two images were taken with the 30MP 5D4. In both sets the ISO was 100 and the lens was a Canon 300m Prime shot at f4. Without cheating and looking at image dimensions, just from viewing the images, can you tell which set was taken with the 6D and which were with the 5D4?
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Aug 26, 2022 16:46:10   #
Basil Loc: New Mexico
 
DavidM wrote:
No I can't... I don't believe anyone can. Everyone needs to stop assuming you can't crop much with the R6. Most everyone here hasn't used the R6. I crop a lot with my camera and it doesn't bother me one bit.

You need to realize that with the IBIS, phenomenal auto focus with eye/facial tracking along with the premium RF lenses and the great ISO handling that your pictures are going to be much better and clearer than you have ever had. The keeper rate is also much much better. I guarantee that you will be very happy owning the R6.

I'm taking much better pictures than I ever have with this camera. The entire line of RF lenses are much better than the EF lenses. That's why they cost so much more. You really need to at least rent one and try it out for yourself.

Also if you need to pixel peep an image to see any differences then you are proving to yourself how good the R6 is. I'm not a professional photographer but I know if you had to take pictures professionally with the R6 that no one could tell the difference... Attached are three photos I took with my camera.
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Thanks for your insight. Other than having bragging rights "mine's bigger than your's RE: resolution," I'm beginning to realize that the R6 is a heck of a lot of bang for the buck. I'm sure if I needed to do major cropping the R5 would be much better than the R6, but for most of what I would be shooting and the amount of cropping I would do, the R6 would be more than up to the task it seems. I'm not a pixel peeper, but I could see an advantage to the R5 if you really needed to crop aggressively. I'm not a big video shooter so the differences there are not even a consideration for me.

The emotional me would love to have the R5 just because it has 45 MP, but the practical me is saying that the R6 is a more logical choice given my shooting history. The money I would save, not just on the camera but also on the cost of CFe cards and the required reader, would go a long way toward getting some rally nice RF glass. Based on fact that you could not tell which of my images was shot with the 5DIV and which with the 6D (30MP vs 20MP) even though both images were cropped a good amount, suggests to me that 20MP is more than enough for 95% of what I would shoot. Thanks for sharing your images.

For the records, the picture of the Hawk was shot with the 5D Mark IV while the image of the sparrow on the feeder was shot with the 20MP 6D. Even when I zoom in on the sparrow's eye, the image looks more than acceptable IMHO.

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Aug 26, 2022 16:47:16   #
Basil Loc: New Mexico
 
DavidM wrote:
Attached are a few pictures from my grandson's soccer practice...


Those are some great shots! The colors on that Camera are awesome!

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Aug 26, 2022 17:09:55   #
DavidM Loc: New Orleans, LA
 
Basil wrote:
Thanks for your insight. Other than having bragging rights "mine's bigger than your's RE: resolution," I'm beginning to realize that the R6 is a heck of a lot of bang for the buck. I'm sure if I needed to do major cropping the R5 would be much better than the R6, but for most of what I would be shooting and the amount of cropping I would do, the R6 would be more than up to the task it seems. I'm not a pixel peeper, but I could see an advantage to the R5 if you really needed to crop aggressively. I'm not a big video shooter so the differences there are not even a consideration for me.

The emotional me would love to have the R5 just because it has 45 MP, but the practical me is saying that the R6 is a more logical choice given my shooting history. The money I would save, not just on the camera but also on the cost of CFe cards and the required reader, would go a long way toward getting some rally nice RF glass. Based on fact that you could not tell which of my images was shot with the 5DIV and which with the 6D (30MP vs 20MP) even though both images were cropped a good amount, suggests to me that 20MP is more than enough for 95% of what I would shoot. Thanks for sharing your images.

For the records, the picture of the Hawk was shot with the 5D Mark IV while the image of the sparrow on the feeder was shot with the 20MP 6D. Even when I zoom in on the sparrow's eye, the image looks more than acceptable IMHO.
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I don't worry about pixel peeping. How many people you know pixel peep when they look at an image? Especially if it's in a slideshow on a picture frame or on your TV?

I use Amazon photos to share my images. I plan to get either a small smart TV or digital picture frame that is Alexa capable to display slideshows from Amazon photos. My old digital frame just broke down. With amazon photos you can search facial recognition for your family members and run a slideshow of them on a TV with a fire stick or a digital picture frame that has the Alexa feature on it. This saves a lot on printing pictures and paying for ink!!

I think everyone is under estimating how much you can crop with this camera.. I crop most of my images and never even thought about the finished image regarding the crop. If you have any doubts then simply rent the camera for a week and crop to your hearts content. I would bet you that your not dissatisfied!

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Aug 26, 2022 17:26:31   #
Basil Loc: New Mexico
 
DavidM wrote:


I think everyone is under estimating how much you can crop with this camera.. I crop most of my images and never even thought about the finished image regarding the crop. If you have any doubts then simply rent the camera for a week and crop to your hearts content. I would bet you that your not dissatisfied!


I think the fact that you could not tell which of my images (both which were cropped to 100% zoom equivalent) were shot with the 5DIV (30MB) or the 6D (20MB) sort of verifies your point.

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Aug 28, 2022 22:07:05   #
Basil Loc: New Mexico
 
I have made a decision. I think. Maybe. Probably. Going to keep the 5D Mark IV, which is a fabulous camera even if it isn't mirrorless. Then I'm going to see if I can save my pennies and get an R6 with at least one piece of RF glass (probably the 24-105 RF kit lens), then use an adaptor for all my other lenses on the R6. It would be sweet of they had a Flash Christmas sale on the R6 this year. That's how I bought the 5D4 when B&H had a 24 hour only sale for the 5D4, with a Canon battery grip and a 64GB SD card - all for under $2k. I'm not in any big hurry so I can wait to see if any grand sales come up for the Christmas season.

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Aug 29, 2022 06:21:14   #
LFingar Loc: Claverack, NY
 
Basil wrote:
I have made a decision. I think. Maybe. Probably. Going to keep the 5D Mark IV, which is a fabulous camera even if it isn't mirrorless. Then I'm going to see if I can save my pennies and get an R6 with at least one piece of RF glass (probably the 24-105 RF kit lens), then use an adaptor for all my other lenses on the R6. It would be sweet of they had a Flash Christmas sale on the R6 this year. That's how I bought the 5D4 when B&H had a 24 hour only sale for the 5D4, with a Canon battery grip and a 64GB SD card - all for under $2k. I'm not in any big hurry so I can wait to see if any grand sales come up for the Christmas season.
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The RF 24-105 f/4 L is an excellent lens and all of your EF lenses will work as well or better with the adapter. As far as the adapter, I recommend the Canon one. There are several brands available for less money. Some get excellent reviews but there are also complaints about a somewhat sloppy fit with some. I would stick with Canon. I bought the $200 version with the control ring. A feature that just never caught on with me. The $100 adapter without the ring would have done just as well for me. Don't worry about a super-duper lightning speed SD card. Whatever you are currently using in your 5DIV will work just fine. My cards are all 32gb and I have had them for years, going back at least to my 6D. They do just fine in my R5 since I rarely shoot long burst shots and don't shoot video. I prefer Sandisk.
Anyway, glad you came to a decision. Have fun!

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Aug 29, 2022 06:47:41   #
BebuLamar
 
Basil wrote:
I have made a decision. I think. Maybe. Probably. Going to keep the 5D Mark IV, which is a fabulous camera even if it isn't mirrorless. Then I'm going to see if I can save my pennies and get an R6 with at least one piece of RF glass (probably the 24-105 RF kit lens), then use an adaptor for all my other lenses on the R6. It would be sweet of they had a Flash Christmas sale on the R6 this year. That's how I bought the 5D4 when B&H had a 24 hour only sale for the 5D4, with a Canon battery grip and a 64GB SD card - all for under $2k. I'm not in any big hurry so I can wait to see if any grand sales come up for the Christmas season.
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I think you have GAS problem. You have the need to buy something. If I were you I would wait until the R5 is within budget.

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Aug 29, 2022 07:45:54   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
BebuLamar wrote:
I think you have GAS problem. You have the need to buy something. If I were you I would wait until the R5 is within budget.


Basil, my comment on another thread was meant to say the same thing as above. You invested in Canon's last and greatest full-frame EOS DSLR. That investment is not yet exhausted, nor is the camera's capabilities, as well as now that expense is seeming to hamper your GAS desires to replace this excellent DSLR (perfect, maybe?) with another full-frame camera with a lower pixel resolution.

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Aug 29, 2022 10:50:50   #
clickety
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Basil, my comment on another thread was meant to say the same thing as above. You invested in Canon's last and greatest full-frame EOS DSLR. That investment is not yet exhausted, nor is the camera's capabilities, as well as now that expense is seeming to hamper your GAS desires to replace this excellent DSLR (perfect, maybe?) with another full-frame camera with a lower pixel resolution.

Even though this is sound advice, isn’t it unfair to limit how the OP will forever view the world and prevent changing his view of life by sticking to “old” technology?😇

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