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Aug 22, 2022 20:28:03   #
Just Shoot Me Loc: Ithaca, NY
 
So you're shooting from a kayak with 600mm, hand held, dealing with current, wind and a rocking boat, knowing your subject and shooting a burst and you don't feel that that is not spray and pray?
My hat is off to you sir, that takes skill.

Ron

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Aug 22, 2022 21:10:15   #
fantom Loc: Colorado
 
R.G. wrote:
Two things come to mind. First - our expectations. The fact that we do now have super-duper lenses and hi-res cameras means that we are more acutely aware of what the possibilities are, and we all have that nagging voice in the back of our minds wondering if what we have is as good as it could be.

Secondly, these days everything has to be hyper before it's seen as normal. That doesn't just apply to contrast, saturation, a lack of noise and the like, it also applies to sharpness. Once upon a time it would have been OK as long as a picture wasn't soft. Now it has to be not just sharp but ultra-sharp. I think I'll cling to my old-fashioned expectations and perceptions.
Two things come to mind. First - our expectations... (show quote)


Good points

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Aug 22, 2022 22:41:47   #
fstoprookie Loc: Central Valley of California
 
Architect1776 wrote:
What is wrong?

If your fantastic super duper digital camera and hyper sharp lenses are so awesome why does everyone need AI sharpening and all these other dozens of programs to fix the utter failures of their equipment performance?

SOOC should be just fine from your $6K cameras and $12,000K lenses.
But apparently they are hardly sharp at all and desperately need lots of help.
Or is it such poor technique with all this super equipment that the photos need salvaging?

A friend wants to know.
What is wrong? br br If your fantastic super dupe... (show quote)


It is obvious to the most causal observer that you have NEVER shot in VERY poor lighting conditions to capture any fast moving sports competition - Well until you do so and try and earn a living I suggest you keep your not so well thought out opinions to your self.

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Aug 22, 2022 23:02:52   #
RVAshooter Loc: Richmond, VA
 
Architect1776 wrote:
What is wrong?

If your fantastic super duper digital camera and hyper sharp lenses are so awesome why does everyone need AI sharpening and all these other dozens of programs to fix the utter failures of their equipment performance?

SOOC should be just fine from your $6K cameras and $12,000K lenses.
But apparently they are hardly sharp at all and desperately need lots of help.
Or is it such poor technique with all this super equipment that the photos need salvaging?

A friend wants to know.
What is wrong? br br If your fantastic super dupe... (show quote)


There are two reasons that come to mind, based on my own failings. First, since many of us shoot only Raw images, we are bypassing much of the excellent, carefully engineered software in our cameras that would otherwise produce a fine SOOC image. With the right settings, the camera could do a great job, but we want to control that process with separate software such as Lightroom or Photoshop. Second, the more we use manual exposure without careful metering, the more likely we are to make mistakes that require postprocessing. Plus any other errors in focusing, camera stability, and underexposure sometimes create a Raw file that needs a lot of help to optimize exposure, sharpness and noise. If we don't bother to shoot Raw + jpeg (which I rarely do) we'll never know what we're missing. So thank you, Adobe, for the opportunity to exercise my creativity and tweak the setting for each shot. I'm glad I have the time to do the processing and take control of the image.

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Aug 23, 2022 00:03:37   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
Just Shoot Me wrote:
So you're shooting from a kayak with 600mm, hand held, dealing with current, wind and a rocking boat, knowing your subject and shooting a burst and you don't feel that that is not spray and pray?
My hat is off to you sir, that takes skill.

Ron


Well it’s actually 600mm equivalent on a 1” sensor. No way I’m gonna try to handhold a true 600mm in a kayak. My kayak camera is a Sony RX10MIV and while it allows me to get shots I couldn’t otherwise, that 1” sensor requires good denoise software, especially since I’m often shooting at 1600 ISO or more. It’s my least favorite camera but my most used because I kayak a lot.

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Aug 23, 2022 06:14:53   #
Capn_Dave
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
Well it’s actually 600mm equivalent on a 1” sensor. No way I’m gonna try to handhold a true 600mm in a kayak. My kayak camera is a Sony RX10MIV and while it allows me to get shots I couldn’t otherwise, that 1” sensor requires good denoise software, especially since I’m often shooting at 1600 ISO or more. It’s my least favorite camera but my most used because I kayak a lot.


I feel your pain and you beat me to the punch. I also do a lot of shooting from a kayak and use long lenses. I even have a tripod mounted in mine. It is there not so much to steady the camera but to hold it up out of the water that usually ends inside from paddling. I have it set up so I just have to lean forward to get my eye to the camera and use the paddle to turn the boat.
I was fortunate enough to spend a few weeks with Mr. Adams when I was a kid (Yes I am that old.) He let me carry a his tripod. After all day trekking around with that huge thing weighing about a ton, by the end of the day, and just when I thought the day was over, We would go to the dark room That is where he taught me to dodge and burn. I didn't know I could contort my hands in so many configurations. So did Mr. Adams do post processing? You betcha

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Aug 23, 2022 09:33:11   #
davyboy Loc: Anoka Mn.
 
JFCoupe wrote:
I suppose the same question could have been asked of Ansel Adams. He often photographed with a camera using 8" x 10" negatives, which would far exceed any pixels counts of today's cameras. It is also the case that he spent significant time and effort in the darkroom improving the negatives/final prints.

I do not shoot my images to print for sale and therefore have the freedom to do as much or as little post processing as I desire and others can either like my images or not. I failed to grasp why it bothers the OP so much based on the tone of the original post.
I suppose the same question could have been asked ... (show quote)

That’s enough! Ansel out of it!

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Aug 23, 2022 12:23:29   #
rcorne001 Loc: Cary, NC
 
fstoprookie wrote:
It is obvious to the most causal observer that you have NEVER shot in VERY poor lighting conditions to capture any fast moving sports competition - Well until you do so and try and earn a living I suggest you keep your not so well thought out opinions to your self.



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Aug 23, 2022 12:35:47   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
I have photographed in those conditions and did earn money on a regular basis for doing so. I also had only one shot at capturing a print-worthy photograph. I also know the OP and will vouch for his photographic abilities.
--Bob
fstoprookie wrote:
It is obvious to the most causal observer that you have NEVER shot in VERY poor lighting conditions to capture any fast moving sports competition - Well until you do so and try and earn a living I suggest you keep your not so well thought out opinions to your self.

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Aug 23, 2022 13:23:30   #
nikonbrain Loc: Crystal River Florida
 
Architect1776 wrote:
What is wrong?

If your fantastic super duper digital camera and hyper sharp lenses are so awesome why does everyone need AI sharpening and all these other dozens of programs to fix the utter failures of their equipment performance?

SOOC should be just fine from your $6K cameras and $12,000K lenses.
But apparently they are hardly sharp at all and desperately need lots of help.
Or is it such poor technique with all this super equipment that the photos need salvaging?

A friend wants to know.
What is wrong? br br If your fantastic super dupe... (show quote)


One reason for sharpening software and why I use it is to print Large not 13 x 19 But 4 feet ,5 feet ,6 feet and 8 feet long and up to 44 inches tall if paper and 40 inches if it has a wrap for Gallery Wraps . I print these more and more as people want to fill a space with something comforting to look at . One customer wants to print 18 x 24 but wants to crop the bird or animal tight throwing away the rest . So I upsize and sharpen to 32 x 48 to crop to his 18 x 24 . It works out better than croping first .

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Aug 23, 2022 21:39:06   #
srat50 Loc: Ware, Massachusetts
 
some of us don't reach 6k for everything we own yet have to take good pictures of our grandson in poorly light gyms we do the best we can but a little help is needed. Plus I get a kick out of this sooc crap because unless you are viewing the raw file your 6k camera has already done the pp for you. Just Saying.

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Aug 24, 2022 04:51:10   #
kkayser
 
You do your best with the camera and then your best with post processing.

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Aug 24, 2022 16:37:40   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
Architect1776 wrote:
What is wrong?

If your fantastic super duper digital camera and hyper sharp lenses are so awesome why does everyone need AI sharpening and all these other dozens of programs to fix the utter failures of their equipment performance?

SOOC should be just fine from your $6K cameras and $12,000K lenses.
But apparently they are hardly sharp at all and desperately need lots of help.
Or is it such poor technique with all this super equipment that the photos need salvaging?

A friend wants to know.
What is wrong? br br If your fantastic super dupe... (show quote)


I don't know, I enjoy shooting Hummingbirds and Landscape, for hummers I don't like using flash so I have to push ISO's and many of my images can certainly benefit from Topaz Denoise. In landscape I mostly enjoy streams and waterfalls, but also others, and even though I can get great DOF shooting at f/20 or so a little sharpening will just extend that DOF a bit further and doesn't hurt a bit.

Besides, a little sharpening or noise reduction won't hurt even the best image.

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Aug 24, 2022 17:42:02   #
pecohen Loc: Central Maine
 
Architect1776 wrote:
What is wrong?

If your fantastic super duper digital camera and hyper sharp lenses are so awesome why does everyone need AI sharpening and all these other dozens of programs to fix the utter failures of their equipment performance?

SOOC should be just fine from your $6K cameras and $12,000K lenses.
But apparently they are hardly sharp at all and desperately need lots of help.
Or is it such poor technique with all this super equipment that the photos need salvaging?

A friend wants to know.
What is wrong? br br If your fantastic super dupe... (show quote)


I have to wonder why you need to spend $18000 on photography equipment and then cheap out on spending a few hundred dollars on decent software and refuse to spend a little time and effort on learning to use it.

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Aug 25, 2022 13:31:42   #
topcat Loc: Alameda, CA
 
fstoprookie wrote:
It is obvious to the most causal observer that you have NEVER shot in VERY poor lighting conditions to capture any fast moving sports competition - Well until you do so and try and earn a living I suggest you keep your not so well thought out opinions to your self.



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