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Aug 12, 2022 06:48:57   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
I watched an Indian language video about a mid-air collision that occurred in the 1990s - the only one ever over India. As a result of that, international pilots must speak English when communicating with air traffic control. Naturally, there was some serious objection to this, but it eventually became international law. Other changes were put into effect, as well. In the case of the Indian collision, the Russian pilots were receiving translations of the ATC commands from their navigator. They mistakenly descended to 14,000 feet, the same altitude as a 747.

Unfortunately, many pilots do not speak or understand English very well, and that continues to cause crashes.

What I found interesting about the video, delivered in Hindi, is that so many of the words were English, since there are no Hindi words for those situations.

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Aug 12, 2022 14:48:54   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
jerryc41 wrote:
I watched an Indian language video about a mid-air collision that occurred in the 1990s - the only one ever over India. As a result of that, international pilots must speak English when communicating with air traffic control. Naturally, there was some serious objection to this, but it eventually became international law. Other changes were put into effect, as well. In the case of the Indian collision, the Russian pilots were receiving translations of the ATC commands from their navigator. They mistakenly descended to 14,000 feet, the same altitude as a 747.

Unfortunately, many pilots do not speak or understand English very well, and that continues to cause crashes.

What I found interesting about the video, delivered in Hindi, is that so many of the words were English, since there are no Hindi words for those situations.
I watched an Indian language video about a mid-air... (show quote)


It's called Hinglish. India was controlled by England for a long time. Most educated people in India speak English.

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Aug 12, 2022 18:55:55   #
alx Loc: NJ
 
English has been the OFFICIAL language of International Civil Aviation since 1951. It is not a recent phenomenon.

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Aug 13, 2022 06:58:39   #
nimbushopper Loc: Tampa, FL
 
alx wrote:
English has been the OFFICIAL language of International Civil Aviation since 1951. It is not a recent phenomenon.



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Aug 13, 2022 08:29:34   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
alx wrote:
English has been the OFFICIAL language of International Civil Aviation since 1951. It is not a recent phenomenon.


Thanks. I posted that on his video.

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Aug 13, 2022 08:31:50   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
rmorrison1116 wrote:
It's called Hinglish. India was controlled by England for a long time. Most educated people in India speak English.


What I'm talking about is using English words because there are no Hinda words for the situation: air traffic control, mid-air collision, and quite a few others.

If you watch many foreign language movies, you will notice that they will throw in a sentence of two of English out of the blue. "Well, have a nice day." "You can say that again."

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Aug 13, 2022 08:57:29   #
fourlocks Loc: Londonderry, NH
 
alx wrote:
English has been the OFFICIAL language of International Civil Aviation since 1951. It is not a recent phenomenon.


Exactly, although it didn't start as a result of any international legal agreement. Since America basically started international air travel and initially had a monopoly on it, any country desiring to be an air travel destination had to provide English speaking air traffic controllers so air crews could communicate with them.

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Aug 13, 2022 09:38:47   #
sippyjug104 Loc: Missouri
 
"Hello, this is Steve....I'm calling about your extended warranty."😜

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Aug 13, 2022 09:48:28   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
sippyjug104 wrote:
"Hello, this is Steve....I'm calling about your extended warranty."😜


Thanks for the call, Steve, but I don't own anything.

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Aug 13, 2022 11:05:55   #
St.Mary's
 
In September 1946, by presidential order, the general (General Laurence Kuter, USAF) was appointed U.S. representative to the Interim Council of the Provisional International Aviation Organization in Montreal, Quebec, Canada. A year later he was reappointed by presidential order as the U.S. Representative to the then permanent International Civil Aviation Organization. In his appointment he had the personal rank of minister. During this period of the birth of international agreements in aviation, General Kuter participated in major civil aviation conferences in London, Cairo, Lima and Rio de Janeiro.

General Kuter's USAF oral history speaks of English being selected for international aviation communication in lieu of several other languages including French

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Aug 13, 2022 23:23:10   #
Reuss Griffiths Loc: Ravenna, Ohio
 
jerryc41 wrote:
I watched an Indian language video about a mid-air collision that occurred in the 1990s - the only one ever over India. As a result of that, international pilots must speak English when communicating with air traffic control. Naturally, there was some serious objection to this, but it eventually became international law. Other changes were put into effect, as well. In the case of the Indian collision, the Russian pilots were receiving translations of the ATC commands from their navigator. They mistakenly descended to 14,000 feet, the same altitude as a 747.

Unfortunately, many pilots do not speak or understand English very well, and that continues to cause crashes.

What I found interesting about the video, delivered in Hindi, is that so many of the words were English, since there are no Hindi words for those situations.
I watched an Indian language video about a mid-air... (show quote)


English is the second most spoken language in India but it's only about 20% of the population. India has an incredible number of languages and dialects.

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Aug 14, 2022 04:33:54   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
jerryc41 wrote:
What I'm talking about is using English words because there are no Hinda words for the situation: air traffic control, mid-air collision, and quite a few others.

If you watch many foreign language movies, you will notice that they will throw in a sentence of two of English out of the blue. "Well, have a nice day." "You can say that again."


I worked with people from India for many years. There were few that I actually liked and those I did were Americanized and had little interest in going back to India.
People who don't speak English generally don't use English phrases or sayings, in the real world (not the movie world).
Hindi is a very old language that has been influenced by English for several hundred years.

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Aug 14, 2022 05:15:42   #
Dalek Loc: Detroit, Miami, Goffstown
 
I wish call centers had English speaking people.

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Aug 14, 2022 10:14:16   #
Drbobcameraguy Loc: Eaton Ohio
 
English is also the language of the international scientific community

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Aug 14, 2022 19:16:43   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
jerryc41 wrote:
...What I found interesting about the video, delivered in Hindi, is that so many of the words were English, since there are no Hindi words for those situations.


Back in the '50s I worked on a radio station. We had a number of foreign records that got played and some of them were discussions in French, Spanish, German, etc.

I remember that the French speakers frequently threw in an English word. I don't remember that from other languages.

Of course it could be my meat memory dropping bits.

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