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Jun 25, 2022 15:00:16   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
rlv567 wrote:
Yes, you're right. Of those, I use the Lamborghini - ON1. (Not that there's really anything wrong with using the Civic or the overpriced Rolls, if that's your choice. People have reasons for their choices - even if it's just to copy somebody they think knows better than they, or because it's the "fashionable" thing to do.)

Loren - in Beautiful Baguio City


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Jun 25, 2022 15:41:10   #
Stephan G
 
f8lee wrote:
Incorrect, kimosabe, in that this entire discussion has to do with the ownership (or lack thereof) of said product.

After the 1960's, nobody (individual or company) that paid for software owned the software - just the right to use it. So the subscription model is a different payment plan, and it is in vogue for the reasons I already stated.

Bear in mind that this is at all levels - SAP and Microsoft now sell their multi-million dollar ERP software as subscriptions, for much the same reasons.
Incorrect, kimosabe, in that this entire discussio... (show quote)


"Ownership"? Software is one of the products that are sold not completely tested. It is expected to fail with the end users being the tell tales. We won't go into actual program ownership.

Like it or not, the only product that we can claim complete ownership is what we ingest. But then, there can be some costs in processing the end results. All large ticket properties can be levied ad-valorem taxes, making the local jurisdiction a unwanted ownership partner. Even property owners with released bank papers still have the various taxes demanded monthly making the jurisdictions partners ad infinitum.

A side stream event that is interesting to follow. The "ownership" of farm equipment that use computers. If one is interested in checking them out, there are many blurbs even on YouTube.

I don't care to delve further in this direction.

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Jun 25, 2022 16:04:40   #
ShelbyDave Loc: Lone Rock, WI
 
jerryc41 wrote:
True, but it would be nice to use the advice from the GoPro package. I would be willing to give Adobe a lump sum payment, but they don't want it. They could offer the subscription for those who want or need constant updates, and they could offer it buy-it-once deal for those who just want the program.


I agree with you completely! I have Lightroom 6 and refuse to go beyond that until they give us another option besides the subscription.

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Jun 25, 2022 16:27:57   #
BebuLamar
 
Longshadow wrote:
Yup, boils down to driving to work in a Civic, Lamborghini, or a Rolls.


but I don't work with photography just play.

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Jun 25, 2022 16:30:15   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
BebuLamar wrote:
but I don't work with photography just play.

So you walk to work then?

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Jun 25, 2022 16:33:51   #
BebuLamar
 
Longshadow wrote:
So you walk to work then?


I drive to work and you can't compare that with anything to do with photography. I would do almost anything to have a car but if money is tight I won't have no camera nor software. Photography is for fun and it's not something I must have.

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Jun 25, 2022 16:48:55   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
BebuLamar wrote:
I drive to work and you can't compare that with anything to do with photography. I would do almost anything to have a car but if money is tight I won't have no camera nor software. Photography is for fun and it's not something I must have.

It was a innuendo.

Civic, cheap editor, .....

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Jun 25, 2022 16:58:29   #
BebuLamar
 
Longshadow wrote:
It was a innuendo.

Civic, cheap editor, .....


And certainly a Civic is more than a good enough car for me. However not software or camera. As I said if money is tight I won't have them but I won't settle for anything less than what I want in term of my toys. I much rather not having them than having ones that I don't really want.

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Jun 25, 2022 17:03:43   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
BebuLamar wrote:
And certainly a Civic is more than a good enough car for me. However not software or camera. As I said if money is tight I won't have them but I won't settle for anything less than what I want in term of my toys. I much rather not having them than having ones that I don't really want.


That's why I still use Photo Impact Pro v8.5; Elements 14 & 19, and DPP.
Don't need no stinkin' "Lamborghini".

BTW - my car is a 2011 Hyundai Sonata.

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Jun 25, 2022 17:05:21   #
BebuLamar
 
Longshadow wrote:

That's why I still use Photo Impact Pro v8.5; Elements 14 & 19, and DPP.
Don't need no stinkin' "Lamborghini".


Actually if I have money to burn I don't think I would buy a Lamborghini either.

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Jun 25, 2022 17:05:32   #
sodapop Loc: Bel Air, MD
 
BebuLamar wrote:
And certainly a Civic is more than a good enough car for me. However not software or camera. As I said if money is tight I won't have them but I won't settle for anything less than what I want in term of my toys. I much rather not having them than having ones that I don't really want.


Especially when you can get the best for a paltry monthly fee

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Jun 25, 2022 17:07:26   #
BebuLamar
 
sodapop wrote:
Especially when you can get the best for a paltry monthly fee


I know you and a lot of people like that but not me.

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Jun 25, 2022 17:08:39   #
Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina
 
Have any of you ever been in the software development marketing and sales business. It’s not easy and it’s a different kind of business from most. Software that is the innovative and can sell for a reasonable price becomes a commodity that is expected to be very low or no cost. And then there are the testing and support issues. If you think itis easy to make make money in software then give it a try...

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Jun 25, 2022 17:37:23   #
koratcat
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
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It appears to me there are three groups that this thread applies to. (1) professionals: they can pass the costs through to their income source. (2) serious amateurs: they don't make money but get satisfaction from working with good tools. (3) casual amateurs: can be satisfied with less than the absolute best (not a bad thing) so they use tools that will do enough to satisfy them.

Groups 1 and 2 have no problems with the subscription. Group 3 wants to minimize costs by using old but serviceable software. The real problem arises when the old software meets the new OS and becomes unserviceable. At that point there are two choices: (A) update the software with the subscription; (B) find new software.
... br br It appears to me there are three group... (show quote)


Very cogent anaylsis.

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Jun 25, 2022 17:41:08   #
gmontjr2350 Loc: Southern NJ
 
koratcat wrote:
Agree with you. A copy of Elements costs less than a year's subscription to its big brother. You can always upgrade to the latest version if something significant is added, but that doesn't happen many years--usually the difference between versions is fairly minor tweaks. And in the meantime, you're saving the subscription cost every year. Is Elements as robust as big brother? No, but most of us would seldom, if ever, use the "grown up" features it offers; Elements does everything we want/need for it to do and more.
Agree with you. A copy of Elements costs less tha... (show quote)




George

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