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Jun 5, 2022 04:06:49   #
Harry0 Loc: Gardena, Cal
 
Bridges wrote:
I see so many highly manipulated photos these days from over-emphasized HDR to surreal images in overly saturated landscapes to layered multiple images that aren't real. Many of these photos of which I speak seem more akin to illustrated art forms than to photography. While many are visually pleasing, it seems removed from what I believe photography is. On the other hand, in our modern society would traditional photography exist? Our society wants results yesterday, never mind having to wait three days for photos to come from a lab. Yes, there were the one-hour labs in drug stores but a lot of serious photographers would not trust valued shots to one of those labs run by a minimum wage clerk. When there is so much to distract us from television with 1000 stations, wine tours, extended travel while staying in an airB&Bs, casinos, adventure destinations, sports events, etc. There just might not be enough time or interest for old-style photography. Digital photography has saved the day in that respect as people can whip out their cell phones and nail a beautiful sunrise or sunset. What is your opinion?
I see so many highly manipulated photos these days... (show quote)



Well, yes and no.
If you're specifically referring to 8x10 wet plate, then yes.
Or maybe that landscape guy using a 4x5 for 20 minutes hoping the wind don't blow at 5am.
Where/when the shot you took is the shock you got,
As I've often said, I'm not just taking pictures, I'm making memories.
I can cut and crop, blur, fade or decolor some of the "unwanted" parts.
I can also reaaly eff things up if I desire.
A fave nieces wedding- party as werewolves and vampires, zombies, cyborgs, etc.
Every year, for their anniversary.

If you're specifically referring to the shot you took is the shock you got, then yes.
I used to use an ammo bag - with a divider. to separate used casings from shells, for film.
A day at RenFaire might mean a dozen "minimum" rolls. Then I borrowed a 6mp Canon.
Renfaire, Ren wedding, and long reception,
I took over 600 pictures. No reloading film, just one extra battery. I was hooked.

If you're specifically referring to the standard two identical and one extra body, seven lenses, then yes.
I started divesting my old film cameras, and I kept my Nikons. Might fit in a D150 bed.
My old walking goto was a 70-210 and a Pentacon6 90 with an adapter.
Have you seen- amd felt- the size and weight of an 18-200, or a 28-300? With vr!
ONE lens and a dslr could do almost anything almost everyone wanted to do.

If you're specifically referring to an Elmer Fudd with a camera on a strap,, then yes.
The "young folks" don't want to be bothered.
Have you seen the pictures the phones have taken the last couple of years?
OK, they may not be suitable (yet!) for 14x20s. So what?!?! They may get 4x6s.
Mostly just shared their shots with other phones, social media and some PCs.
Many of us complain of the unwanted attention we get with a "pro looking" camera in public.
News bites even show "Freedom!" groups targeting cameras on tripods.
Whip out a phone and it's not an issue. No problem.

Just evolution. We may someday complain of the plug in our neck recording for us.

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Jun 5, 2022 06:12:29   #
Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida
 
leftj wrote:
The US is becoming a third world country and you’re concerned about photos being manipulated!


Very good point. Regardless, we measure our lives in coffee spoons.

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Jun 5, 2022 07:21:02   #
ELNikkor
 
I also shot film until 2006, and have hardly gone back since. But, I shoot digital much like I did film. 99% single frame, spot focus, neutral, natural daylight, ISO 200. If I modify in post, it is usually only bringing up the shadows, or adjusting contrast, & cropping. (Now that I have Topaz, I use sharpen on some.)

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Jun 5, 2022 07:46:05   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Art is a major distraction from the technology of photography.

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Jun 5, 2022 07:51:39   #
ScottWardwell Loc: Maine
 
I became aware of digital in 1999 with the introduction of the Nikon D1 and D100 at a Nikon School event in Boston. During a break in the program, I went out into the lobby where a couple of Nikon reps were displaying them and giving people a chance to handle them. The thing that took my breath away was the price. It was way more than I thought I would ever be able to afford and I just dialed back my expectations and stayed pat with film.
It wasn't until 2007 that my wife's department at the University retired their D995 and I got it. A year later I bought a refurbished D70s for about $400 which I mated with my Nikkor AF lenses being used on my N80. Today I shoot with a D850 which I paid full retail for. A price point that back in 1999, made me sick to my stomach.

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Jun 5, 2022 07:53:00   #
Nosaj Loc: Sarasota, Florida
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Art is a major distraction from the technology of photography.


Bingo! Photography is technology-based. If someone wants techno-art, they only need to download some clip art and photoshop the hell out of it!

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Jun 5, 2022 08:05:32   #
Nosaj Loc: Sarasota, Florida
 
One of the most common DSLRs I now see on camera for-sale lists is the Nikon 850, with the Canon 5D not far behind. Big, heavy, lenses are starting to be sold off in larger numbers. Cell phone with enhanced cameras and more compact mirrorless cameras are gaining higher sales than they had a few years ago.

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Jun 5, 2022 08:53:21   #
bruswen Loc: Eugene OR
 
Bridges wrote:
I agree for the most part (although I believe there was a certain "romance" in doing darkroom work. I always embraced the chemical smells and the magic of seeing images emerge from blank pages), but now we are talking photography. My view of the downside is when photography is used as an element of something that is much more. To some, it is just a kind of brush or a tube of magenta oil, not an end in itself. So much of what I see represented as photography is far removed from actual photography and much more in the realm of graphic arts. There is plenty of room for both but I hate to see pure photography diminished in galleries and exhibits in favor of something that was more created in a computer program than through a camera lens.
I agree for the most part (although I believe ther... (show quote)


This sounds remarkably like a person seeing their first impressionist painting and declaring that this is not a painting. I think photography is a form of art and art is a personal interpretation of what the artist sees. There is room under that umbrella for each artist’s personal expression. Like painting, I like what I like, but I wouldn’t denounce another artist’s style as not meeting my standard for art.

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Jun 5, 2022 08:55:57   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
bruswen wrote:
This sounds remarkably like a person seeing their first impressionist painting and declaring that this is not a painting. I think photography is a form of art and art is a personal interpretation of what the artist sees. There is room under that umbrella for each artist’s personal expression. Like painting, I like what I like, but I wouldn’t denounce another artist’s style as not meeting my standard for art.



Perception...

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Jun 5, 2022 09:42:31   #
gvarner Loc: Central Oregon Coast
 
Capturing an image has been made easier. Making a good photo still requires a creative eye.

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Jun 5, 2022 09:43:27   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
A good photo really only needs 30MP, or a mirrorless camera, whichever is easier.

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Jun 5, 2022 10:23:33   #
petrochemist Loc: UK
 
Longshadow wrote:
Because the question at hand has only two options to answer.
It doesn't say make a third or fourth option if you don't like either of these.....

As bad as being asked would you rather do A or B
and people saying C or D....

Like "I've narrowed it down to camera A or B, which one should I get?'
Get E...

As for the purists in your audio forums, isn't an amplifier a signal processor? It amplifies the minuscule electrical output of the tonearm cartridge to an audible level, usually with bass and treble controls. Sounds like a signal processor to me.
Because the question at hand has only two options ... (show quote)


Except the question was 'saviour or destruction' digital has been neither.
It has made photography much more available & common place (hardly destruction), but if there was no digital analogue techniques would still be in widespread use for snapshots as well as higher grade photography (so not a saviour).

Digital processing has allowed easy & extensive alteration of digital images, sometimes this creates great art & sometimes its nearer to making a silk purse into a sow's ear (usually not as extreme of course).

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Jun 5, 2022 10:43:47   #
Strodav Loc: Houston, Tx
 
gvarner wrote:
Capturing an image has been made easier. Making a good photo still requires a creative eye.



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Jun 5, 2022 10:50:00   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
petrochemist wrote:
Except the question was 'saviour or destruction' digital has been neither.
It has made photography much more available & common place (hardly destruction), but if there was no digital analogue techniques would still be in widespread use for snapshots as well as higher grade photography (so not a saviour).

Digital processing has allowed easy & extensive alteration of digital images, sometimes this creates great art & sometimes its nearer to making a silk purse into a sow's ear (usually not as extreme of course).
Except the question was 'saviour or destruction' d... (show quote)

Yup, everyone sees different attributes and detriments.
Some agree, some don't.

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Jun 5, 2022 10:58:30   #
srt101fan
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
Really learning film technology, more sophisticated darkroom procedures and methods, delving into the chemistry and formulas, and maintaining quality control in a serious darkroom room or colour lab was no walk in the park. Perhas it was more complex and labour-dependant than digital/computer technology. To put it bluntly, there were more ways to mess up film processing and printing. Serious lab manuals such as the Phot-Lab- Index had a long list of defects, stains, pinholes, reticulation, streaks, damage, fog, under- and over-developing and some remedies.

Making the transition into digital photography, for old but good film folks is no big deal. There are many similarities and parallels as there are differences. Anyone with a technically oriented mind, patience, and discipline can easily work around the differences and real the old technique to the new.

There are certain aspects of a photograher that never changed: Content, artistry, creativity, lighting and use of light, composition, creating viewer impact, storytelling, use of colour and tone, and lots more that have very little to do with the difference between film and digital. If anthg destroys the artistic aspects of photography it will be ignorance of the aforementioned and poor craftsmanship- not the medium that is used.
Really learning film technology, more sophisticate... (show quote)


Good words as usual, Ed. Got me thinking about photographers and their creations. Please correct me if I'm wrong, Ed, but weren't there "professional printers" during the old film days? I mean darkroom pros, superb craftsmen, who printed for pro photographers who didn't have the time or inclination to print their own photos? I seem to remember reading that W. Eugene Smith, for example, would have a printer do at least some of his images (he knew the printer well and knew that he would produce final images to his liking).

I don't know how this fits in with the OP's topic, but to me its another example of how vast, complex, and ramified the field known as "photography" is. And how useless and counter-productive it is to generalize and pigeonhole our photographic endeavours. If done well, it's all good stuff and fun regardless of technologies used.

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