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May 19, 2022 16:36:36   #
revhen Loc: By the beautiful Hudson
 
Sounds more like a domestic issue than a camera issue.

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May 19, 2022 16:39:53   #
zarathu Loc: Bar Harbor, MDI, Maine
 
coolhanduke wrote:
Any consideration to go Canon so she could use hubbies lenses?
Or maybe he won’t share?


Exactly what I said above. And how to do it.

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May 19, 2022 16:43:27   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
imagemeister wrote:
She and you need to be looking at the Sony RX10m4 ..........and, yes I have and use one - I also have Canon and full frame Sony .......I HIGHLY recommend the RX10 and use it almost exclusively now.
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Once again, I shoot a Sony RX10MIV and I love what I can get with it where other cameras are problematic, (it’s my kayak camera). That being said it has its limitations and doesn’t compare to my OM-1. The 1” sensor really limits low light capabilities and I’m no fan of electronic zoom. For some it’s all they need. For me it serves its purpose but for everything else I have better options.

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May 19, 2022 17:00:43   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
wdross wrote:
If your daughter decides on Olympus, I would suggest she choose the newer OM-1 ($2200) over the E-M1 mkIII ($1500). The OM-1 menu is much easier than the previous menu, the ISO is comparable to full frame, and image stabilization is about one stop better than the E-M1 mkIII.

If she wants to start with just one lens, the 12-100 f4 Pro IS ($1400) is the best. It is one of the sharpest lens available in any format, easily handholdable to 1 second, and can produce 1/2 lifesize images. It is the "go to" lens for most of us Olympus users for general purpose and travel.

If your daughter likes wildlife, then she can choose between the Olympus 100-400 f5/6.3 ($1400) or Panasonic 100-400 f4/6.3 ($1400) lenses. The Olympus is a little sharper at the 400 end and the Panasonic is a little faster at the 100 end. Choosing one of the two lenses would produce a two lens system. My preference would be the Olympus for the sharper imaging at 400 for wildlife.

If your daughter wanted to expand to a three lens system, she could add either the Olympus 7-14 f2.8 Pro lens ($1300) or the Panasonic 7-14 f4 lens ($800). The Olympus is sharper, rectilinear, and faster but bigger and heavier than the Panasonic. Hopefully, if she has enough experience by this time, she will know which one she would want.

Olympus has been sold with Olympus having only 10% in the OMDS company. OMDS has produced one new body and 3 new lenses since then. They are selling very well in Japan, the land of cameras. There are differences between Sony full frame and Olympus 4/3rds. But if it comes down to size, weight, and cost, an Olympus/OMDS system will beat a Sony system without that much difference in image quality. As long as OMDS stays innovative and Panasonic 4/3rds still/video cameras continue to exist, OMDS is not likely to disappear anytime soon.
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I had the Panny/Leica 100-400 when I had the G9 and it worked fine on my E-M1X when I switched. I still sold it and got the Olympus 100-400 for a couple of reasons. Slightly sharper at the long end, but mainly because with the Panny/Leica I could use either the IBIS in the camera or OIS in the lens. With the Oly lens they work in conjunction. I do shoot a few Panny lenses, mostly primes, and it’s great that I can use either, but there are some features that only work with certain lenses, so it’s a consideration when choosing a lens.

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May 19, 2022 17:43:20   #
scubadoc Loc: Sarasota, FL
 
The OM system is superb, and the only downfall is lack of dynamic range in low light situations. With judicious post processing and using Topaz to denoise, images are more than acceptable. I took this photo of the recent lunar eclipse with the OM-E MX1 camera with a 100-400 Zuiko pro lens at 400mm. Topaz denoised it, LR gave me a totally black background. Cropped to 50%. Considering how dark the moon was, I thought it was pretty good


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May 19, 2022 18:56:24   #
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scubadoc wrote:
The OM system is superb, and the only downfall is lack of dynamic range in low light situations. With judicious post processing and using Topaz to denoise, images are more than acceptable. I took this photo of the recent lunar eclipse with the OM-E MX1 camera with a 100-400 Zuiko pro lens at 400mm. Topaz denoised it, LR gave me a totally black background. Cropped to 50%. Considering how dark the moon was, I thought it was pretty good

As you describe the shot is "pretty good", meaning most any camera and longish lens could do the same. And that is the solution of the whole thread. Any middle tier (or better) gear will do, despite the passions of various loyal users.

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May 19, 2022 19:17:06   #
scubadoc Loc: Sarasota, FL
 
User ID wrote:
As you describe the shot is "pretty good", meaning most any camera and longish lens could do the same. And that is the solution of the whole thread. Any middle tier (or better) gear will do, despite the passions of various loyal users.


My point was that a 4/3 system is capable of taking images comparable to many ff systems.

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May 19, 2022 19:25:50   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
I had the Panny/Leica 100-400 when I had the G9 and it worked fine on my E-M1X when I switched. I still sold it and got the Olympus 100-400 for a couple of reasons. Slightly sharper at the long end, but mainly because with the Panny/Leica I could use either the IBIS in the camera or OIS in the lens. With the Oly lens they work in conjunction. I do shoot a few Panny lenses, mostly primes, and it’s great that I can use either, but there are some features that only work with certain lenses, so it’s a consideration when choosing a lens.
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One key issue is that Panasonic has Dual IS II, a system that works the IBIS (in-body image stabilization) and ILIS (in-lens image stabilization) together. But to use it, you have to have a Panasonic body AND lens that support it. On the other side, Olympus puts ILIS in select longer focal length lenses where it is needed. But neither company supports dual image stabilization with the other company's lenses. The technologies are incompatible.

When you mix brands of stabilized body and stabilized lens, you can choose whether to use ILIS or IBIS, and turn off the one not used.

IBIS is most effective at focal lengths below 140mm full frame equivalent (70mm on Micro 4/3). At longer focal lengths, ILIS is more effective. That can help you choose when to use IBIS or ILIS in mixed brand situations.

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May 19, 2022 21:46:19   #
rcdovala
 
ORpilot wrote:
I am a Sony fan, but an advantage of the OM system is that it will be different than hubby's in that it is 4/3. They won't be duplicating each other. There aren't a lot of 3rd party lens for the OM system but I'm guessing she can afford all OM equipment. Sounds like the time to go and visit a camera store and play or to rent one of each.


All of the Panasonic MFT lenses will work on the Oly. Between Oly, Panasonic and other manufatureres, there is a plethora of lenses.

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May 19, 2022 22:24:38   #
William Royer Loc: Kansas
 
Several years ago I switched from a FF Nikon system (D810 was my last) to Olympus. Absolutely no regrets. Love it for a variety of uses, IQ is great and size is what I wanted. When I was looking around, I started with Sony in mind. And, yes, their cameras had a nice size. BUT, because they were FF, their lenses had to be bigger/heavier than an equivalent reach Oly (and more expensive). People say that the Oly menu is complicated. And it somewhat is. But, a number of books/on-line sources help explain it. And, ultimately it’s a matter of ‘muscle memory’ — once it’s basically set up and used a bit, it all comes together. If she’s interested, I’d suggest starting with the M1Mk3, which will be dropping in price with the new OM-1, and are more available at present. Plus, they share most of the key features — such as handheld HiTez, focus stacking, Pro Capture, etc.

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May 19, 2022 22:24:51   #
MrBob Loc: lookout Mtn. NE Alabama
 
If you go Olympus which I think would be a good Idea, you don't have to jump to an expensive OM-1 right away... EM5-III has most all of the features of the EM1-II in a little smaller body which may fit her hands better... I do Olympus and this will be my second body. You can't go wrong with M43 and Olympus... Start off with good lenses....If you can afford it the 12-100 would prob. never leave the camera body.

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May 19, 2022 23:32:39   #
nealbralley Loc: Kansas
 
Sony a7iii would be good for her as a novice shooter. While it isn’t brand new production, it is more than “good enough.” She can buy Tamron f/2.8 zoom lenses across multiple focal lengths; they are extremely sharp and capable lenses for much less money than you pay for a Sony lens. I use them, and they are excellent.

A6600 is an excellent crop sensor camera; it uses Sony’s improved battery, and it has a larger sensor than Olympus.

Sony A7C is a small full frame camera, but is about the Same size as an a6600.

There are lots of great cameras from numerous manufacturers from which she can choose. Nikon, Canon, FujiFilm, Panasonic, Sony, Olympus, and others.

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May 19, 2022 23:40:11   #
wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
 
revhen wrote:
Sounds more like a domestic issue than a camera issue.


Not really. People often want something different from what someone else has, married or not. Just look at the differences here at UHH. The lady has a brain that tells her she doesn't want what her husband has camera wise. And, for all we know, when she chooses her Sony or Olympus, maybe her husband will change brands after seeing what she does with her new camera.

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May 20, 2022 00:33:54   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
wdross wrote:
Not really. People often want something different from what someone else has, married or not. Just look at the differences here at UHH. The lady has a brain that tells her she doesn't want what her husband has camera wise. And, for all we know, when she chooses her Sony or Olympus, maybe her husband will change brands after seeing what she does with her new camera.


Trust me, it is good to use a brand of something another family member does not like. It means they won't borrow it!

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May 20, 2022 07:40:28   #
whitehall Loc: Canada
 
As always depends on what type of photography will the Camera support. For me the R5 with the trinity ( normally on a tripod) is perfect for landscape because of its dynamic range and low light capabilities, whereas an Olympus EM 5 iii is with a 100-400 lens is perfect for wildlife because of its weight and Pro Capture feature.

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