slovegren

Just curious. What Canon mirrorless camera would be somewhat equivalent to the EOS 80d and what R lens would be similar to the Canon 18-135 mm zoom lens. Not planning to convert right now but having a mirror less system is intriguing as I get a little old for my long time interest which has been travel photography. Thanks for your input. Steve

Doc Mck Loc: Terrell,Texas

Wait for the R7. It will be a crop sensor camera. I have a 90D and am trying to find time to learn my r6. I just retired from my full time career and now have to manage my other full time career ( my cattle ranch). I use photography to promote cattle sales now. A ranch without a photographer and a computer is out of the loop in selling breeding stock. You will have to see what they come up with for lenses for a crop sensor camera. As far as full frame, the EOS RP is well thought of and a rf 24-105 is stm lens might suit you. Cost range similar to 80D and 28-135 e-fs lens when new. You might find a deal on eBay.

CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City

The R7 and R10 are pending releases, with no official specifications announced. The industry is waiting for the end of May 2022 for official (expected) details. One would expect an EOS R10 to restart the product line that was the 10D to 90D sequence of EOS models that includes your EOS 80D DSLR. However, there is not yet a cropped RF zoom announced similar to the EF-S 18-135 zoom.

PHRubin Loc: Nashville TN USA

The 80D and 90D are both APS-C body crop cameras. That means the sensor is only 22.2 X 14.8 mm instead of the full frame 36 X 24 mm. It is as if the image of the lens was cropped by a factor of 1.6 in width and length. EF-S lenses take advantage of that fact but they project an image that won't fill a full frame sensor at all zoom settings.

All current R series cameras are full frame, but the rumored models R7 and R10 would also be APS-C models.

I primarily use an 80D, taking advantage of that 1.6 crop factor and so I hesitate to consider the full frame R models. While there is also the APS-C Canon M series, there are few native lenses for it and that series might disappear if, indeed, they come out with any APS-C R models. Therefore, if I were to go mirrorless, I would only consider the R version APS-C.

While I'm not aware of any 18-135 R mount lens, there is an EF->R adapter that should allow use of the EF-S lens on an R body.

amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA

There isn't a Canon mirrorless equiv. to the 80D.... yet. But one is expected soon.

There are strong rumors that Canon will be announcing an R7 by the end of this month, the first APS-C camera in the R-series system.

There also appears to be an RF 18-150mm lens coming to complement it.

Predictions are that the R7 will be...

APS-C (like 80D), 32.5MP (like 90D and M6 Mark II).
In body image stabilization (works in conjunction with lens IS).
15 frame per second mechanical shutter
30 frame per second electronic shutter
Dual SD UHS II memory card slots
4K @ 60/50fps (NTSC/PAL)
1080p @ 120/100fps (NTSC/PAL)

Most think it will be similar in design and size to R6 or R5 (both are full frame). That might mean it can share the BG-R10 battery grip that works on them.

There will no doubt be an electronic viewfinder with many of Canon's latest bells and whistles, including a fairly advanced AF system.

Many people are guessing the R7 might cost between $2000 and $2500 for the body alone. But Canon may surprise us. (The Canon 7D Mark II cost $1800 in 2014, but the 90D sells now for $1200).

The RF 18-150mm lens will probably cost around $600 or $700, but may be less in bundle with the camera. (The EF 18-135mm IS USM lens costs $600, but is discounted to $400 when bundled with Canon 90D).

There is also likely to be a 2nd APS-C R-series camera announced at the same time. An R10 is expected to be a much less expensive, much more entry-level model.

Of course, the R10 is quite a bit lower specification...

24MP
15 frames per sec mechanical shutter
23 fps electronic shutter
One SD UHS-II memory card slot
HDR PQ

Note that there's no mention of IBIS, in particular.

Best guesses are that the R10 will be below $1000... maybe a lot below.

According to the rumors, there is an RF 18-45mm lens coming too, as a kit lens for this camera. I think this may be incorrect because Canon already makes an EF-M 15-45mm lens for their M-series mirrorless cameras and it would make the most sense to simply adapt that to the new RF mount. Why "reinvent the wheel" when you don't need to? When it's bundled with a camera, the EF-M 15-45mm lens costs $250, so an RF version of it might cost around that or a little more.

If "small size, light weight" are super important to you, I suspect the R7 will be about the same size and weight as your 80D or a 90D (both of which are slightly smaller and about a half lb. lighter than 7D Mark II). The R10 will probably be a little smaller and lighter than the R7. But not a whole lot.

You can use any EF or EF-S lenses you presently have on these upcoming cameras, via an adapter. There is no loss of performance doing this (while it's possible to do so, there is loss of autofocus performance adapting Canon lenses for use on Sony cameras). In fact, some people feel the EF/EF-S lenses work even better when used on R-series cameras.

Right now Canon also offers another line of mirrorless cameras: Their M-series. This system has been around for 8 or 10 years (a lot longer than the R-series). There are presently three M-series models offered: a top-of-the-line M6 Mark II, an M50 Mark II that's very popular with vloggers, and an entry-level M200. All three are small, lightweight cameras.

M6 Mark II is 32.5MP APS-C, can shoot at 14 frames sec. and weighs a half lb. less than your 80D. It does not have a built in viewfinder, but there is an accessory electronic viewfinder available for it. With that viewfinder (EVF-DC2) and the EF-M 18-150mm lens, the M6II costs $1349.

M50 Mark II is 24MP APS-C, can shoot at 10 frames sec. and does have a built in viewfinder. It does not have a mechanical shutter... electronic shutter only (possible problems with rolling shutter effect). In kit with the EF-M 15-45mm lens the M50II costs $700.

M200 is also 24MP APS-C, can only shoot at 4 fps with mechanical shutter, 6 fps with electronic. It does not have a viewfinder and cannot be fitted with an accessory EVF. It is only offered in kit with EF-M 15-45mm lens and costs $549.

Important.... all the M-series are very compact and light weight. They use quite small batteries which limit the number of shots per charge they get (I use an M5 and at best get about 400 shots per charge). Some (including me) find them a little uncomfortable due to their small size... but that makes them great travel cameras. There are very few Canon EF-M lenses... eight total, although one was discontinued some years ago. They are decent lenses, but use slower STM focus drive (no USM lenses). The emphasis has been on keeping them very compact. There also are very few third party autofocus lenses offered for them (Sigma and Viltrox each make three, all of which are very nice). There are quite a few manual focus/manual aperture lenses made for M-series... most of which are quite affordable and some of which are very good. And, it is possible to adapt EF and EF-S lenses for use on M-series cameras (I've been using an EF 85mm f/1.8 USM on my M5 recently). M-series handling, menus and controls may seem a little odd at first to someone coming from Canon DSLRs. The M-series are sort of a cross between Canon's Powershot point-n-shoot cameras and their DSLRs. Some of the menu and controls are obviously carried over from the Powershots. Even so, the M-series are good, solid feeling cameras (as are some of the high end Powershots, such as the G-series).

Finally, many people think Canon will begin to phase out the entire M-series system once they have launched the APS-C R-series cameras mentioned above. Of course, this doesn't mean M-series will suddenly stop working, but it will mean no future expansion and eventually no repair or other support from Canon. The future is the Canon R-system... not their M-system (or the Canon DSLRs, for that matter).

CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City

Update, the rumors of the R7 / R10 include an RF 18-140mm zoom. So, shortly the option to move to the next logical extension of the EOS 10D line should exist (as pre-order).

Jimmy T Loc: Virginia

This doesn't exactly answer your question, but . . . .
Have you given any thought to the full-frame ($999) Canon EOS (26.2MP) RP?
https://www.kenrockwell.com/canon/eos-r/rp.htm

With a ($899) Canon RF 24‑240mm IS, Full Frame Mirrorless f/4‑6.3 USM
https://www.kenrockwell.com/canon/eos-r/lenses/24-240mm.htm

I have the Canon EOS RP, with the ($1299) Canon 24-105mm f/4L IS Full Frame RF Mirrorless, and I love that combination.
However, I believe the RP with the Canon RF 24‑240mm IS, Full Frame Mirrorless f/4‑6.3 USM will provide more coverage with fewer dollars spent.
No matter what you choose, I send my . . . .
Best Wishes,
JimmyT Sends

PS: The lens you currently have may fully function on the RP with the Canon adapter.

rcarol

Have any of you in the UHH community read anything about the crop factor of the new R7 or R10? Tony (What's his name) has assumed a crop factor of 1.6 but there is no reason why Canon has to stay with the traditional Canon APS-C 1.6 crop factor. They could adopt the more standard 1.5 crop factor, could they not?

CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City

That would be a pretty poor idea given all the Canon EF-S lenses to be adapted to EOS mirrorless cameras are optimized to Canon's 1.6x crop (smaller) sensors...

rcdovala

I have been using my EF-S lenses on my Sony a6000 via a Metabones adapter with no loss of coverage.

RayF Loc: New Jersey

I have an 80D and 18-135 lens ( which I think is a great lens BTW) I also have an RP which might be the next logical mirrorless step. Use that with a RF 24-240 and you have a similar set up.