"The Supreme Court's religion-driven decision sets off a firestorm."
May 4, 2022 11:35:02 #
Frank T wrote:
Both genders have stupid people.
That my garage-dwelling friend is a fact.
That my garage-dwelling friend is a fact.
Both genders have jack arsses too
May 4, 2022 11:47:03 #
Frank T wrote:
Nice to see all these men deciding what rights women should have.
Beware gents. You shall reap what you sow.
Beware gents. You shall reap what you sow.
We would like the opportunity to actually reap what we sowed instead of having it ripped out by the roots.
May 4, 2022 14:11:34 #
May 4, 2022 14:13:30 #
BlackRipleyDog wrote:
We would like the opportunity to actually reap what we sowed instead of having it ripped out by the roots.
You forgot “caring and raising”.
May 4, 2022 15:58:49 #
Wuligal wrote:
Joe also said, "abort a child". He admitted that it is a real, live human being that we are ripping from the bodies of their mothers.
Ah, yes! That's a key admission on Biden's part.
May 4, 2022 16:00:36 #
WNYShooter wrote:
Democrats: HOW DARE YOU RIP BABIES FROM THE ARMS OF MOTHERS AT THE SOUTHERN BORDER!
Democrats: HOW DARE YOU STOP US RIPPING BABIES FROM THE BODIES OF BIRTHING HUMANS!!
Democrats: HOW DARE YOU STOP US RIPPING BABIES FROM THE BODIES OF BIRTHING HUMANS!!
Please take a course in human biology and then get back to us.
May 4, 2022 17:43:11 #
rwoodvira wrote:
I find abortion abhorrent. But I'm not sure the Ro... (show quote)
FYI, about half the people in the U.S. with spina bifida are adults. While statistically their lives may be shorter (30-40) than normal adults, they do not die from spina bifida but from complications. They can and do live full and productive lives. If your unborn child had been diagnosed with such a condition, there would have been no need to abort it. Just support it.
Which disabilities do we designate as not worthy of human life? Do you think you are competent to make that call????
May 4, 2022 18:25:15 #
Frank T wrote:
Please take a course in human biology and then get back to us.
I wish Libs would let me know where they stand on the Constitution. The same people who describe the Bill of Rights as a useless relic of white supremacists are now the first to proclaim that Roe v Wade, c. 1973, is sacred law!
May 4, 2022 19:59:16 #
Wuligal
Loc: Slippery Rock, Pa.
Maybe we should all read Alito's draft before we shape our opinions. Yes, it's a long tough read (98 pages) but it certainly explains the why and wherefore of his thinking on the matter of abortion. He makes the point that the reason we are overwhelmed with uncertainty over the legal status of abortions is because of how it was created 50 years ago. Alito simply wants to fix the law so we won't ever go through this again. Nowhere does he suggest we halt abortions or change the protocol now set by the states.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/02/supreme-court-abortion-draft-opinion-00029473
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]“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled,” he (Alito) writes in the document, labeled as the “Opinion of the Court.” “It is time to heed the Constitution and return the issue of abortion to the people’s elected representatives.”
The court’s holding will not be final until it is published, likely in the next two months.
The immediate impact of the ruling as drafted in February would be to end a half-century guarantee of federal constitutional protection of abortion rights and allow each state to decide whether to restrict or ban abortion. It’s unclear if there have been subsequent changes to the draft.
No draft decision in the modern history of the court has been disclosed publicly while a case was still pending. The unprecedented revelation is bound to intensify the debate over what was already the most controversial case on the docket this term.
A George W. Bush appointee who joined the court in 2006, Alito argues that the 1973 abortion rights ruling was an ill-conceived and deeply flawed decision that invented a right mentioned nowhere in the Constitution and unwisely sought to wrench the contentious issue away from the political branches of government.
Alito’s draft ruling would overturn a decision by the New Orleans-based 5th Circuit Court of Appeals that found the Mississippi law ran afoul of Supreme Court precedent by seeking to effectively ban abortions before viability.
Roe’s “survey of history ranged from the constitutionally irrelevant to the plainly incorrect,” Alito continues, adding that its reasoning was “exceptionally weak,” and that the original decision has had “damaging consequences.”
“The inescapable conclusion is that a right to abortion is not deeply rooted in the Nation’s history and traditions,” Alito writes.
Alito approvingly quotes a broad range of critics of the Roe decision. He also points to liberal icons such as the late Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Harvard Law Professor Laurence Tribe, who at certain points in their careers took issue with the reasoning in Roe or its impact on the political process.
“The Constitution does not prohibit the citizens of each State from regulating or prohibiting abortion,” the draft concludes. “Roe and Casey arrogated that authority. We now overrule those decisions and return that authority to the people and their elected representatives.”
Alito’s draft opinion includes, in small type, a list of about two pages’ worth of decisions in which the justices overruled prior precedents — in many instances reaching results praised by liberals.
Alito’s draft opinion ventures even further into this racially sensitive territory by observing in a footnote that some early proponents of abortion rights also had unsavory views in favor of eugenics.
“Some such supporters have been motivated by a desire to suppress the size of the African American population,” Alito writes. “It is beyond dispute that Roe has had that demographic effect. A highly disproportionate percentage of aborted fetuses are black.”
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Unless i miss my guess this entire mess (including the raging protests in many cities along with injured cops) is over nohting except to give the left a distraction from inflation, the economy, immigration, and any thing else that makes them look bad.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/02/supreme-court-abortion-draft-opinion-00029473
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]“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled,” he (Alito) writes in the document, labeled as the “Opinion of the Court.” “It is time to heed the Constitution and return the issue of abortion to the people’s elected representatives.”
The court’s holding will not be final until it is published, likely in the next two months.
The immediate impact of the ruling as drafted in February would be to end a half-century guarantee of federal constitutional protection of abortion rights and allow each state to decide whether to restrict or ban abortion. It’s unclear if there have been subsequent changes to the draft.
No draft decision in the modern history of the court has been disclosed publicly while a case was still pending. The unprecedented revelation is bound to intensify the debate over what was already the most controversial case on the docket this term.
A George W. Bush appointee who joined the court in 2006, Alito argues that the 1973 abortion rights ruling was an ill-conceived and deeply flawed decision that invented a right mentioned nowhere in the Constitution and unwisely sought to wrench the contentious issue away from the political branches of government.
Alito’s draft ruling would overturn a decision by the New Orleans-based 5th Circuit Court of Appeals that found the Mississippi law ran afoul of Supreme Court precedent by seeking to effectively ban abortions before viability.
Roe’s “survey of history ranged from the constitutionally irrelevant to the plainly incorrect,” Alito continues, adding that its reasoning was “exceptionally weak,” and that the original decision has had “damaging consequences.”
“The inescapable conclusion is that a right to abortion is not deeply rooted in the Nation’s history and traditions,” Alito writes.
Alito approvingly quotes a broad range of critics of the Roe decision. He also points to liberal icons such as the late Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Harvard Law Professor Laurence Tribe, who at certain points in their careers took issue with the reasoning in Roe or its impact on the political process.
“The Constitution does not prohibit the citizens of each State from regulating or prohibiting abortion,” the draft concludes. “Roe and Casey arrogated that authority. We now overrule those decisions and return that authority to the people and their elected representatives.”
Alito’s draft opinion includes, in small type, a list of about two pages’ worth of decisions in which the justices overruled prior precedents — in many instances reaching results praised by liberals.
Alito’s draft opinion ventures even further into this racially sensitive territory by observing in a footnote that some early proponents of abortion rights also had unsavory views in favor of eugenics.
“Some such supporters have been motivated by a desire to suppress the size of the African American population,” Alito writes. “It is beyond dispute that Roe has had that demographic effect. A highly disproportionate percentage of aborted fetuses are black.”
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Unless i miss my guess this entire mess (including the raging protests in many cities along with injured cops) is over nohting except to give the left a distraction from inflation, the economy, immigration, and any thing else that makes them look bad.
May 4, 2022 20:27:14 #
Wuligal wrote:
Maybe we should all read Alito's draft before we s... (show quote)
Read the opinion??? Here at UHH??? Don't forget, this forum is also known as "Short Attention Span Theatre".
May 4, 2022 20:45:46 #
Wuligal
Loc: Slippery Rock, Pa.
My head is spinning......nowhere does Alito refer to religious beliefs yet the title of this thread is "The Supreme Court's religion-driven decision sets off a firestorm." Where did that come from?
It was someone from the far left mob that leaked Alito's draft to Politico yet politicians are out there blaming Republicans for creating this mess. The protestors can stand on the courthouse steps for the next ten years and the Justices aren't going to announce the finished product until the end of June or maye July......and we have no idea what the end result will be.
The left is screaming and beating down doors over women losing control of their bodies. I'm a woman and smart enough to know that "control" over your body starts before the first moment of intimacy with a man.....an unwanted pregnancy is the result of a woman who already lost of control of her own destiny.
It was someone from the far left mob that leaked Alito's draft to Politico yet politicians are out there blaming Republicans for creating this mess. The protestors can stand on the courthouse steps for the next ten years and the Justices aren't going to announce the finished product until the end of June or maye July......and we have no idea what the end result will be.
The left is screaming and beating down doors over women losing control of their bodies. I'm a woman and smart enough to know that "control" over your body starts before the first moment of intimacy with a man.....an unwanted pregnancy is the result of a woman who already lost of control of her own destiny.
May 4, 2022 20:47:41 #
Wuligal wrote:
Maybe we should all read Alito's draft before we s... (show quote)
Thanks for the post. However, I doubt that the vast hordes care about the law or what the First Amendment means, or what this country was founded upon. They want their agenda in place even if it means overthrowing our Constitution. In the meantime they'll mangle it for their purposes.
May 4, 2022 20:49:18 #
Wuligal wrote:
My head is spinning......nowhere does Alito refer ... (show quote)
Dang....an actual literate individual in the Attic!!
May 4, 2022 20:55:28 #
Wuligal
Loc: Slippery Rock, Pa.
SteveR wrote:
Thanks for the post. However, I doubt that the vast hordes care about the law or what the First Amendment means, or what this country was founded upon. They want their agenda in place even if it means overthrowing our Constitution. In the meantime they'll mangle it for their purposes.
I understand that.......I just want to know exactly what the "purpose" of the left leaning mob is?
May 4, 2022 21:50:19 #
It's actually come down to this. Abortion is not mentioned in the Federal Constitution. It is not a federal issue, Roe v. Wade to the contrary. Therefore, it is in the hands of the states and the people as per the Tenth Amendment.
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