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Mar 4, 2022 08:21:03   #
GLSmith Loc: Tampa, Fl
 
With too many variables mentioned so far, I would drop a few $$$ and rent the teleconverter & try various shots of same target, one with the teleconverter, one without. Do this sequence again but at different times in the day & night. Take your images that are taken without the teleconverter & crop them & do a comparison

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Mar 4, 2022 08:32:53   #
Canisdirus
 
GLSmith wrote:
With too many variables mentioned so far, I would drop a few $$$ and rent the teleconverter & try various shots of same target, one with the teleconverter, one without. Do this sequence again but at different times in the day & night. Take your images that are taken without the teleconverter & crop them & do a comparison


If it is for shooting wildlife (an assumption on my part)...there is one more option.

Build or buy a portable blind.
They have been known to very effectively solve focal length problems.

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Mar 4, 2022 08:35:00   #
Jerry Green Loc: Huntsville, AL
 
Shooting in crop mode and cropping are the same and do not extend the reach of the lens. They do make the subject larger in the photo but with a loss of resolution and less pixels.

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Mar 4, 2022 08:48:29   #
Steve DeMott Loc: St. Louis, Missouri (Oakville area)
 
Gene51 wrote:
Yes, they have faces only a mother could love. Thanks for your kind words on the image!

The 70-300 is not sharp enough to get good results with a TC. MY recollection of the Sigma 170-500 is that it lacked sharpness at full zoom, and was not a candidate for use with a TC. I used that lens with a 10 and 12 mp crop sensor, and a 12 mp full frame camera - and found the performance ok for a consumer grade lens, but not what I was looking for. Shortly after getting the 170-500 and getting rid of it I got the 600mmF4, confirming what I always suspected. Since then I've lightened my load and gotten a used Sigma Sport 150-600 - which was the lens I felt came closest to the image quality I had gotten used to with the 600mmF4 - and I have used it without a tripod 98% of the time. So not only did I solve the weight and baggage issue, I also opened myself up to taking it hiking, and using it for more active subjects - which is hard to do with a lens that could only really be used on a tripod or other solid support (it weighed 12 lbs). I've found the Tamron G2 to be similar in image quality, and it may have slightly better optical stabilization, and it is 2 lbs lighter. But I don't think the build quality is up to Sigma standards.

This is a sample of a female Blackpoll Warbler uncropped and cropped. I can recommend the Sigma Sport without hesitation. I have now taken over 20,000 pictures with it since 2016, and I couldn't be happier with my choice. As a participant in the Nikon NPS program I had the opportunity to borrow the 200-500 and I rejected it - it lacked the image quality, build quality and weather proofing of the Sigma, and it was not 600mm. Nor did it do very well with a 1.4X TC. Besides, I paid less for my used lens than I would have paid for Nikkor, which was selling for $1300 at the time.

I think you may want to consider renting a modern lens instead of trying to extract extra performance from what you've got. I believe it will be an eye-opening experience. While there are some gimmicks like AI assisted resampling - both in-camera and in post processing, and other "hacks" - the artifacts are not with the investment of time and frustration to get just mediocre results. Those solutions merely increase sharpness by manipulating micro-contrast, and provide interpolation so an image with lower pixel count can look cleaner when enlarged, but upon closer inspection there are undesirable artifacts, and a lack of detail that only a longer, sharper lens (of you have a 36mp or greater camera) and, in some cases, with a 1.4X TC - can deliver.
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Thanks again Gene
Bought the sigma used several years ago and you're right nice lens but not great that I seldom use.

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Mar 4, 2022 08:51:52   #
olemikey Loc: 6 mile creek, Spacecoast Florida
 
imagemeister wrote:
Pixel enlargement seeks to use AI (artificial intelligence) software to analyze current pixels and manufacture pixels from this analysis. Adobe default "Bicubic smoother" is one such software and Gigapixel is another....and in camera Sony "clear image zoom" (CIZ) is yet another.

Needless to say, the more accurate the exsisting pixels are (high fidelity) the more accurate the manufactured pixels can be.
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I love my CIZ!!! My favorite in all of this, mated to a crisp, sharp longer lens!

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Mar 4, 2022 08:52:48   #
Steve DeMott Loc: St. Louis, Missouri (Oakville area)
 
JimH123 wrote:
Here is an example combining two methods. I am using an APS-C crop sensor camera with a Tamron 150-600mm lens which is using a generic Kenko 1.4x TC. The lens is set to 400mm (which becomes 560mm with the TC and 840mm when I take into effect the 1.5x crop factor). And it is stopped down to f8 (which becomes f11 with the TC). Now a generic TC can't compete with a dedicated TC designed for a particular lens, but I have found that if I stop down a bit, it makes a difference.

Image 1 is what I got out of the camera. You can tell it is a bit soft. I am actually too far away from the Egret and there is a bit of camera shake.

Image 2 has been fixed using Topaz's Sharpen AI - Motion Mode, Very Blurry Option. The image did sharpen up.

Image 3 takes image 2 and has used Gigapixel AI to double the size by 2x.

Note: The Egret does not have a processing halo. The sun is low and to the left and a bit behind the Egret. Some of the feathers around the head are seeing the sun while the feathers on my side are actually in shadows. I did not have the option to use my feet and move to a more favorable position with the lake blocking any ideas such as that. Plus, where I was, the Egret wasn't even paying attention to me.
Here is an example combining two methods. I am us... (show quote)


Thanks Jim. It seems a lot of folk like some of the Topaz products, I'll have to check it out.

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Mar 4, 2022 08:53:26   #
Steve DeMott Loc: St. Louis, Missouri (Oakville area)
 
Curmudgeon wrote:
There ain't no free lunch. Get the best glass available, then get the best camera you can afford. It only matters if you print large or pixel peep. How many people on UHH print larger than 11x17? I can do that on my crop frame D7200



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Mar 4, 2022 08:54:34   #
cjc2 Loc: Hellertown PA
 
Steve DeMott wrote:
Currently I have a FF camera body, 2 lenses that will reach 300mm and 1 with a 500mm reach. I only print up to 13x19 and don't need billboard size images (yet).

Which would be better?:

1. A x1.4 extender will provide a 420mm reach on the 300mm lens with a 1 stop lose of light.
or
2. Setting the FF to Crop mode will provide 450mm reach on the 300mm lens without light lose, but a lose of pixels.
or
3. Shooting at FF and cropping to the same proportions as in crop mode.

I can test 2 and 3, but I don't want to spend several hundred dollars for a teleconverter.

Thanks
Currently I have a FF camera body, 2 lenses that w... (show quote)


It's LOSS of light not lose!

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Mar 4, 2022 08:56:55   #
Steve DeMott Loc: St. Louis, Missouri (Oakville area)
 
billnikon wrote:
Your best option would be #1, but that is not what I would recommend.
I would recommend going places that can get you closer to your subjects. A quick check on the internet will give you many options if you ask the right questions.
Whenever you go ask the friendly folks here where the closest place to wildlife would be in that location.
IMHO, buy a Canon R5 with a new Canon 100-500 mm lens.
IMHO, or buy a Sony a9 (mint used) and a Sony 200-600 mm zoom lens. Much cheaper option than buying a new Canon R5.
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Thanks Bill. The wife and budget won't allow it. Yet!

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Mar 4, 2022 08:58:18   #
Steve DeMott Loc: St. Louis, Missouri (Oakville area)
 


Thanks Jerry

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Mar 4, 2022 09:03:16   #
Steve DeMott Loc: St. Louis, Missouri (Oakville area)
 
GLSmith wrote:
With too many variables mentioned so far, I would drop a few $$$ and rent the teleconverter & try various shots of same target, one with the teleconverter, one without. Do this sequence again but at different times in the day & night. Take your images that are taken without the teleconverter & crop them & do a comparison


Thank you. Problem: Only one lens I have can even us a TC. and it's the worst IQ of the bunch.

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Mar 4, 2022 09:03:40   #
Steve DeMott Loc: St. Louis, Missouri (Oakville area)
 
Canisdirus wrote:
If it is for shooting wildlife (an assumption on my part)...there is one more option.

Build or buy a portable blind.
They have been known to very effectively solve focal length problems.



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Mar 4, 2022 09:05:13   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
olemikey wrote:
I love my CIZ!!! My favorite in all of this, mated to a crisp, sharp longer lens!



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Mar 4, 2022 09:07:04   #
Steve DeMott Loc: St. Louis, Missouri (Oakville area)
 
cjc2 wrote:
It's LOSS of light not lose!


Sorry. I do try to correct my mistakes but some do slip though.

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Mar 4, 2022 09:08:13   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Steve DeMott wrote:
Unfortunately, a new camera is beyond my budget, so that leaves only 3 options
Thanks for your comment.


I just happened to be working on a post with extender examples yesterday -

https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-731081-1.html

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