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My First Focus Stack Using The WeMacro (Focus Stacking) Rail
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Feb 10, 2022 16:02:18   #
JBRIII
 
lamiaceae wrote:
Yes, it does seem miraculous. Another of my hobbies is collecting Sea Shells. I have some that are over 16 inches and in a multitude of shapes. The mollusks seem to know mathematics in the complexities of their shells. I'm going to soon try another larger shell.


Many of these complex patterns are really based in a few simple rules, I believe. There is a program called Boids I believe that show how a random pattern of flying objects forms a flock, using I believe three rules. Avoid objects, stay so far from another object, 3rd? I belive it is available as an app. There are other programs also that demonstrate very complex patterns from simple rules, add a little randomness and similar, but not identical patterns emerge.

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Feb 10, 2022 17:28:51   #
napabob Loc: Napa CA
 
nice job, looking forward to seeing more

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Feb 10, 2022 21:24:12   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
Mark Sturtevant wrote:
I was using Zerene Stacker jargon. In dedicated stacking programs (Zerene and Helicon) there are different stacking algorithms. One is good at recording color tones and generates less noise, but it gives the worst in artifacts like halo effects. The other is the opposite for both. They are called DMap and PMax for Zerene. I think Helicon has 3 algorithms, with one being sort of in between the other two (?). Anyway, a common thing is to build the stack in the different algorithms, then use the low noise one as a starting point. Bits of the high noise picture are painted into the low noise picture in places needed to resolve halo and transparency artifacts. Original pictures used to make the stacks can also be painted in here and there to resolve problems that the hi noise stack can't fix, but that can be quite a chore if there are a lot of pictures, so each thing to fix needs several pictures.

I know next to nothing about the Helicon Focus stacking program, but Zerene Stacker is at least as good, and the online tutorials they provide are a thing of beauty and clarity to watch. I sort of know the person who made those tutorials, and he is just amazingly clear in how he explains things.

I will be way behind the curve where you and Sippy are concerned since I am more into informal stacking that can be done on a bouncy wood floor at our dining room table, with somebody walking by pretty frequently. Sippy would cringe at my environment! 🙂
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I don't and won't have a perfectly ideal environment either. But I have in the past gotten excellent manual focus stacks using a tripod. I plan at this point to be stacking images of flowers and sea shell at probably no more than half to twice life sized on my sensor. I am not at this point real interested in insect parts, but I might go there later. I am thinking I my want to build some sort of platform jig for the stacker rail and subject. But I certainly might not want to shoot everything plumb and tangent to gravity. I beleive WeMacro sells shooting jigs of different sorts for $$$! I should check out Zerene software and compare to Photoshop. Thanks for the comments.

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Feb 10, 2022 21:25:30   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
Thanks Everyone for the comments and suggestions.

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Mar 2, 2022 08:40:15   #
cactuspic Loc: Dallas, TX
 
lamiaceae wrote:
Wow, thanks for looking Mark. You are way farther in to this than I am. Some of what you wrote I did not understand. Though you seem to have skipped through some of the points I did state. I used the software stacking program that comes standard with the WeMacro Rail. I only mentioned that I looked at some theoretical data and tables of information from the Zerene Stacker Web Site. I actually just stacked my images with Photoshop CS6. Yes, I am still using a purchased DVD-ROM version of Ps, the very last iteration from 2012. Now your comment about ISO I will heed. I had been shooting my Pentax cameras at their factory default of ISO 200. I found for at least this first stack I did the shutter speed was probably fine at 1/20 second. So I can probably take the camera down to ISO 100. It is all good and I'll comment more later and read more suggestions before trying another shoot.

Oh, what I did not understand was "Try both DMap and PMax." I guess these are Zerene things; different algorithms? I did notice the halo and a few remnants. This being more a test of the rail and stacking, I did not want to spend too much time editing or cleaning it up with Photoshop. Though it might be a good one to try as a learning practice. Thanks again.
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With a black background and light subject, halos are common. The best way to eliminate the halo with a subject that has a a simple profile like a shell use Zerene. After you run the stack (I run it in both PMax and DMap then choose the best for working with), then run a limited purpose DMap in Zerene. Pull the slider to the right so that the black cozies up tightly against the shells edges. Then retouch the haloed background. This should work regardless of whether you used DMap or PMax for your subject.

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