USB C hubs (Page 2): :sm24: Well, there was a "standard" connector that was used for RS-232. Do you remember current-loop? That had its own style connector also. Look at the size...

Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States

larryepage wrote:

Same confusion as 40 years ago when everyone confused the RS-232 signal interface with the DB-25 connector. The RS232 recommended standard never specified a connection mechanism. No one understood that there was no such thing as a RS-232 connector.

Well, there was a "standard" connector that was used for RS-232.

Do you remember current-loop? That had its own style connector also.

Look at the size difference between IDE and SATA connectors.
Same scenario. New smaller connectors.

mikegreenwald Loc: Illinois

The greater information transfer speed of the "C" connector (terminal) is significant, though as far as I can tell the charge rate is not. The article quoted above is consistent with this.
Non poster has addressed my original question though.

larryepage Loc: North Texas area

Longshadow wrote:

Well, there was a "standard" connector that was used for RS-232.

Do you remember current-loop? That had its own style connector also.

Look at the size difference between IDE and SATA connectors.
Same scenario. New smaller connectors.

Yes...the DB-25 was the defacto standard. Somewhere along the way, it became the DB-15, then other connectors, including some of the DIN options.

Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States

Wires with connectors in any case, that's all they are.
Nothing more.

Cables do not define speed.
The materials used in the cable define the cable's ability to handle high speed signals preserving signal quality, or not.

alexol

Clearly incorrect re materials. The materials used for USB 2 & 3 are the same - the wiring is different.

I think you are confusing USB 2, 3.0 & 3.1 data transfer protocols which yield different baud rates and bandwidth capability. The various connectors are an entirely different issue.

USB A - the big square plugs, can be connected to a variety of end plugs, micro, mini, USB C etc, using differing wiring configurations, conductors etc.

My laptop - like many many others - uses a USB-C connector to charge it, and the laptop draws up to 65w. No previous gen of USB connector has anywhere near that level of power transmission.

USB-C - which is usually USB 3.1 protocol and cables are usually USB-A on one end, USB-C on the other until USB-C to USB-C becomes the de facto standard - manages MUCH higher data rates than its predecessors.

Believe whatever you like, but those are simple facts.

mikegreenwald Loc: Illinois

alexol wrote:

Clearly incorrect re materials. The materials use... (show quote)

Right on! That explains why I need a pure "C" hub.

rook2c4 Loc: Philadelphia, PA USA

With all these different connectors in use nowadays, I think I need to start color-coding all my cables, inputs and cable adapters.

hcmcdole

rook2c4 wrote:

With all these different connectors in use nowadays, I think I need to start color-coding all my cables, inputs and cable adapters.

I tried to buy different color cables to make it easier but there is such a mishmash of cables out there (prices, colors, sizes). I just ended up making a label for each cable instead.

picsman Loc: Scotland

https://www.caldigit.com/thunderbolt-4-element-hub/

traderjohn Loc: New York City

hcmcdole wrote:

The hub ports should be standard type A and then y... (show quote)

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davidrb Loc: Half way there on the 45th Parallel

mikegreenwald wrote:

There are many so called USB C hubs available, but... (show quote)

No. How about 1 in and 7 out? Anker is the make of it. Got it at an Apple store in their "other periferals".

burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC

mikegreenwald wrote:

There are many so called USB C hubs available, but... (show quote)

https://www.sir-apfelot.de/en/why-there-are-no-usb-c-hubs-with-multiple-usb-c-ports-30504/

That said, OWC does have a ThunderBolt 4 dock with three USB-C outlets and one input. It also has several other ports on it. https://eshop.macsales.com/shop/owc-thunderbolt-dock

They also sell a ThunderBolt 4 HUB https://eshop.macsales.com/shop/owc-thunderbolt-hub

For best results, these should be used with the latest Thunderbolt 3 or 4 equipped computers.

Remember, USB-C is not a protocol, it is just a connector. That connector is used for:

Thunderbolt 4, 3, 2, 1
Ethernet 10/100/1000/10Gb
Firewire 800
USB 1.1
USB 2
USB 3, 3.1, 3.2, USB4
Audio in/out
HDMI
DisplayPort
…and probably some other protocols I can't remember.

A Thunderbolt 4 cable can connect all kinds of devices to a Thunderbolt 3 or 4 (USB4) computer, via the right hub or dongle on the other end.

TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC

Here are a couple of charts which clarify matters. Note that with the exception of USB 3.2 Gen2x2 (2 data lanes) which requires the C type connector because of the multiple lanes, there is no direct relationship between the connector and the speed (Type As are usable from USB 1.0 to USB 3.2 Gen 2 (sometimes referred to as 3.1)

burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC

TriX wrote:

Here are a couple of charts which clarify matters. Note that with the exception of USB 3.2 Gen2x2 (2 data lanes) which requires the C type connector because of the multiple lanes, there is no direct relationship between the connector and the speed (Type As are usable from USB 1.0 to USB 3.2 Gen 2 (sometimes referred to as 3.1)

TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC

burkphoto wrote:

https://www.sir-apfelot.de/en/why-there-are-no-usb... (show quote)

👍👍 Exactly.