Bobspez Loc: Southern NJ, USA

4K looks better than 2K on a 2K screen. It is sharper. Just look at youtube videos and view them on a 2K screen at 2K and 4K youtube settings. You should see the difference.

flip1948 Loc: Hamden, CT

If we were "satisfied" it was because it was the best of what was available. Technology advances and we take advantage of those advances.

I don't entirely get the point of this thread. From what I can tell from what you have written here why are you not still shooting film instead of with your vaunted Foveon X3 sensors?

And why do you keep referring to 4k video as 4x?

burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC

1) Very few people use Blu-Ray or DVD players these days. Most are using streaming services (Netflix, Hulu, Apple TV, YouTube, Vimeo...)

2) 4K is quite common on YouTube and other sharing sites. It's fast becoming a standard.

3) 4K has enough resolution to handle a 50% crop and still be (effectively) HD resolution. This makes it wonderful for 4K capture, Full HD release, because you can crop, pan, digitally zoom, and software stabilize your footage, all in post-production.

4) Most of the better new computers come with free video editing software of some sort. For example, all Macs come with iMovie, which is directly compatible with their Final Cut Pro application. The latest 14" and 16" MacBook Pro computers are more than capable of editing multiple streams of 4K, and some of them can handle multiple streams of 8K.

YouTuber, musician, and singer-songwriter, Mary Spender, has perhaps one of the most interesting demonstrations of the power of new technologies including 4K video. She reviewed a new computer in this 4K video, but more than that, she created a music video with it and her 4K capable mirrorless cameras. Here's the link. Of course, she is a professional, and makes it look easy, which it is not. It takes a long time to acquire the skills to do this:

https://youtu.be/H3BGFWoqA9E

joecichjr Loc: Chicago S. Suburbs, Illinois, USA

I wonder what a giant caterpillar smokes in that thing.... More importantly, I wonder what I have ingested to see a giant caterpillar smoking anything....

Bobspez Loc: Southern NJ, USA

Once used to HD, DVD's look terrible. A few years ago I watched a DVD of a wedding and I was amazed at how clunky it looked.

Bobspez Loc: Southern NJ, USA

How did she get a black leather jacket on in the finished video? She didn't have it on in the studio. Also at one point in the final video her hair blew in the wind. How did that happen?

LFingar Loc: Claverack, NY

Yeah, they do. For a 77" and an 88". LG also sells a 65" 8K for $3000. Smaller ones for about $2000. 8K is pricier then 4K, but, not outrageously so.

OldSchool-WI Loc: Brandon, Wisconsin 53919

So----do you have 8k eyes or even 4k eyes?-----ew

OldSchool-WI Loc: Brandon, Wisconsin 53919

My Dad didn't buy a TV until his two sons had grown up were out of the house. Then he bought a set to watch sports. (1962) He did not want us wasting our time with TV when we had more fruitful interests.------

burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC

Overdubbing... Mary is a veteran studio rat of sorts. She eats, lives, and breathes music and the life of an independent singer-songwriter. She recorded the entire song in the studio, and lip-synched it on location, much the same way as people have recorded music films and videos for the last 50 years or so. She took the laptop outside and set it on a table and recorded those lip-synched scenes with the 1080P webcam.

The whole thing is edited as multi-track audio and video. It's conceptually simple when you see it done. But the subtlety of it requires sublime talent. She knows exactly what to do to shape her sound, and how to edit her audio and video work. This is not new to her.

What can be done with a Mac, Logic Pro, and Final Cut Pro is nothing short of amazing. This was a good demo of that. Logic Pro itself is a wonderland of audio tools. You can add virtual processors like limiters, compressors, leveling amplifiers, equalizers, delays, reverbs, phasers, flangers, controlled tube pre-amp distortion, tape hiss (!), notch filters and other tools — effortlessly. What took rooms full of hardware in the 1970s is all possible on a laptop now.

That Mac can mix a couple hundred audio tracks, each with several processor plug-ins on it, without breaking a sweat. Drop the result into Final Cut Pro along with the video, and edit away... Final Cut can handle MANY streams of 4K in a timeline on that machine — up to 20, which is more than most of us need. Final Cut also can handle multiple tracks of audio, although I'm sure she mixed that song in Logic Pro, based on what we saw in the video.

If George Martin had a setup like that, we likely would have had more Beatles records and films! Much of the better music being recorded today is being recorded and marketed independently, outside of the big, fancy, high overhead studios of the past. The technology of computers and the Internet has freed musicians from the confines of recording contracts and the lechers who write them.

OldSchool-WI Loc: Brandon, Wisconsin 53919

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All this "do it yourself" and time-line post processing of HD began with HDV and Sony's HVR-Z1U, a pro HDV camera at the then unheard of price of only $6,000. But most people could not yet view HDV. That camera became the favorite of independent film makers and some news department put that camera into service to replace the much larger more cumbersome gear. In the Windows realm, the software was many--including favorites Sony Vegas and Pinacle Studio. The HVR-Z1U has a 3CCD sensor for superior color like the most expensive digital video. But soon afterward, single sensors were substituted to cut cost (and quality) in video cameras and tapes were substituted for solid state memory as memory costs plummeted. The specs for HDV are 1440x1080 and the Z1U as a pro camera has two adjustable pro sound track ports. The Z1U was a favorite of "Sun Dance" expert writers. But like with all cameras---nothing is static for long--regardless of how revolutionary the introduction. You must bring out new "improvements" even if imaginary.-----ew

therwol Loc: USA

I use both. I have a closet full of hundreds of discs of movies and TV series. Many are not available on streaming services. Some cost additional money to stream. I find that HD and 4K look better when played from a disc. I think that's a matter of cable and streaming services using more compression. Early DVD transfers are often inferior to later ones, but some of the newer ones upscale nicely to near HD quality. I suppose this might depend on your equipment. I have two 4K TVs, 55 and 65 inch, and I have two Sony UHD Blu Ray players. Basically, discs give me options I wouldn't otherwise have, and buying a disc once in awhile doesn't break the bank, only closet space.

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Not sure about 8K but using a 6K camera I see that we do have (at least) 6K eyes.

Originating video in 8K therefor makes perfect sense.

OldSchool-WI Loc: Brandon, Wisconsin 53919

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For the past twenty years, I have downloaded movies from USENET. Probably a thousand such movies of all types and formatting. Some very poor quality and compressed to about 700mbytes for an hour *.avi. Some good quality for my computer and taking about twice that space and some in DVD format at up to 4gbytes each. After three or four years, I am happy to view them again. People post, dividing the film file into *.rar and par2 files which are downloded and errors of transfer correct and re-compiled into a single video file. I continue that process now as well. I like old film plots and structure much more than current. I have downloaded another 100 Hollywood and English language films since Christmas.----ew

burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC

A revolution in media production has been ongoing since the turn of the century. While the principles of good communication haven't changed, the tools have become much better, and access to them has been democratized. Everyone with a smartphone has a video camera, a stills camera, an audio recorder, a multi-track audio editor, and a video editor, plus an Internet blogging transmitter, all in a shirt pocket. The quality is potentially better than any analog NTSC video ever recorded. So we are in a new era of electronic babble. We are, all of us, a network.

The hardware will keep getting smaller, lighter, more capable, and less costly. Hardware and software developers will keep making it all easier to use. 8K capability is already in some of the latest hybrid cameras from Canon and others. While I don't need it, people are using it for the same advantages 4K gives 1080P HD video. It's not really ready for prime time yet, just as 4K wasn't really ready for the masses in 2015 when I got a 4K camera. But it will be viable in the not too distant future. High end studios are already using it as their standard.

Past informs present informs future. 20 years from now, my kids likely will be using media tools we haven't ever dreamed of in our lives, just as the stuff I'm using now was pure Star Trek fantasy in 1972. But the engineers in the back rooms of Silicon Valley and other research think tanks knew it was only a matter of time. We thought we were cool? Our kids laugh at the simplicity we grew up with. Heck, they look back ten years and laugh at the stuff they had then. Time marches on. We must let the past go, so it can be recycled into something new.