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Feb 2, 2022 12:22:31   #
CWW Loc: North Jersey
 
And the other camera manufacturers product issues? You managed to overlook them!

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Feb 2, 2022 12:24:01   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
CWW wrote:
And the other camera manufacturers product issues? You managed to overlook them!


Please use QUOTE REPLY so we know to whom you are referring. Many thanks, other readers will thank you also.

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Feb 2, 2022 13:55:15   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
LDB415 wrote:
Yes, well said. From a user standpoint there are definite differences. From the consumers of the output, those requiring Brand X and nothing else, are the ones I doubt could tell the difference in similar quality work product from similar talent users. Probably not saying it well, but it works in my head.


That clarifies, thanks!

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Feb 2, 2022 14:34:32   #
azted Loc: Las Vegas, NV.
 
davidrb wrote:
Well put Paul. People seem to be in a rush to pronounce Sony as the latest and greatest. In digital photography they are at least one-time failures and there is little to prove they have changed their colors. Mavica, just to refresh memories, was their first attempt and it was a total wash-out. They tried to get customers to pay for warranty work. Sony knows television and Sony knows movies. Boths area are illusionists playgrounds of forte. Buy a camera from Sony and buy a chance for failure, and that is their track record. Maybe they will try electric vehicles next, batteries and all.
Well put Paul. People seem to be in a rush to pro... (show quote)


This is a seriously ignorant response! With all of the success that Sony has had with the A9 series, A7S series, and the A1, and now its little brother the A7iv, you are making a fool of yourself with that statement. Let's also remember that Sony produces the sensors in many cell phones and in many Nikon cameras. I said it yesterday, and I will say it again, when you bash another company because you hate their success, you come across as a loser!

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Feb 2, 2022 15:06:49   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
azted wrote:
This is a seriously ignorant response! With all of the success that Sony has had with the A9 series, A7S series, and the A1, and now its little brother the A7iv, you are making a fool of yourself with that statement. Let's also remember that Sony produces the sensors in many cell phones and in many Nikon cameras. I said it yesterday, and I will say it again, when you bash another company because you hate their success, you come across as a loser!


Who bashed what? If you can't read, why are you online writing such nonsense? retracted.

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Feb 2, 2022 15:12:20   #
azted Loc: Las Vegas, NV.
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Who bashed what? If you can't read, why are you online writing such nonsense?



"In digital photography they are at least one-time failures and there is little to prove they have changed their colors"

Paul, the above is an insane statement. I am not referring to your comment, but his. What are you reading that you cannot understand this?

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Feb 2, 2022 15:18:02   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
azted wrote:
"In digital photography they are at least one-time failures and there is little to prove they have changed their colors"

Paul, the above is an insane statement. I am not referring to your comment, but his. What are you reading that you cannot understand this?


OK, I followed the reply string differently. Let's say retracted.

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Feb 2, 2022 15:32:38   #
Jsykes
 
davidrb wrote:
Well put Paul. People seem to be in a rush to pronounce Sony as the latest and greatest. In digital photography they are at least one-time failures and there is little to prove they have changed their colors. Mavica, just to refresh memories, was their first attempt and it was a total wash-out. They tried to get customers to pay for warranty work. Sony knows television and Sony knows movies. Boths area are illusionists playgrounds of forte. Buy a camera from Sony and buy a chance for failure, and that is their track record. Maybe they will try electric vehicles next, batteries and all.
Well put Paul. People seem to be in a rush to pro... (show quote)


Interesting comment in the last sentence and consequently a slightly different perspective. Major Japanese companies used the Core Competence (of the organization) approach in the 90’s. For example, Honda determined that their CC was Engines. This CC approach helped many companies to identify and expand into new markets.

As far as I know Sony’s stated CC is/was twofold, technological innovation and miniaturization. Not sure how that stated CC fits into their movie business. Unable to comment on their camera capabilities (I am a Canon user but I love Sony TV’s). The challenge for any company is execution, whichever major market they play in.

Look at the dogs breakfast GE created under ImmeL in terms of CC

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Feb 2, 2022 15:54:55   #
gwilliams6
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Let's remember context. We're awaiting the 2021 market numbers. But, as reported in 2020, of the 3.26 million mirrorless cameras sold worldwide, Sony sold a ratio of roughly 6 mirrorless cameras for every 5 sold by Canon, and Nikon only sold 1. Clearly, in 2021, Sony remains the leader in mirrorless by a slight margin.

But, in the global market of all digital cameras, Canon is still the leader, with a total market share larger than both Nikon and Sony combined.

1. Canon 47.9%
2. Sony 22.1%
3. Nikon 13.7%
4. Fujifilm 5.6%
5. Panasonic 4.4%

With all the top 3 releasing pro-targeted mirrorless bodies in 2021, and with Nikon winning many of the top industry design awards, let's see what the market had to say over the next few weeks as the final company and industry sales numbers are released and analyzed.
Let's remember context. We're awaiting the 2021 ma... (show quote)


But you cant dismiss the fact that Sony sells more mirrorless cameras Worldwide than either Canon or Nikon, check the numbers. And Sony also sells more fullframe cameras worldwide (DSLR or mirrorless) than anybody else.

Canon's overall sales numbers are hugely influenced by its huge compact camera sales and DX and fullframe size DSLR cameras sales . But you never mention that Mr. Canon, ever. Canon folks never mention those facts. LOL

And we all know the real top of the market and the leading segment for the latest innovation is Fullframe mirrorless cameras. Sony invented and perfected the fullframe mirrorless camera. Here now and still in fullframe , Sony is the leader in numbers, the leader in variety of fullframe models and in the hearts of major News services worldwide, NOT Canon or Nikon. Just the facts, even if Canon folks won't believe the new reality.

Oh and those news services could have chosen Canon or Nikon mirrorless but when they looked at the overall systems and pace of innovation from each maker, and they did, they ALL chose Sony. Just a Fact.

Read and understand the new reality now for many top pros around the world.

https://www.sonyalpharumors.com/press-text-the-canadian.../

https://alphauniverse.com/stories/why-the-associated-press-just-switched-to-sony/

https://petapixel.com/2021/11/17/sony-is-now-the-exclusive-camera-provider-for-gannett-and-usa-today/

https://www.dpreview.com/news/4545693607/the-uk-largest-news-agency-partners-with-sony

And here is a look at Sony's services being offered to working pros at the Winter Olympics happening now in Beijing.

https://petapixel.com/2022/02/01/a-look-inside-sonys-camera-center-at-the-2022-winter-olympics/

Cheers


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Feb 2, 2022 15:58:29   #
wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
 
richardsaccount wrote:
I recently saw on Petapixel.com/ 1/30/2022 a post that Sony has added a fourth news agency to using
their cameras exclusively. The Canadian Press association. Prior agencies since 2020 are, The Associated Press,
PA Media Group in The U.K and Ireland and Garnet & USA Today. I wonder how many ordinary photo enthusiasts
will be influenced by any of this. If at all.


Are most of us UHHers going to become press or pro photographers? Some of the UHHers are pros and may need to heed the call. The richer members can afford whatever they want with no adverse affect on their finances. Then there are the rest of us. We have to examine our finances, then our needs, look at our wants, and then look for what is available for those three. Am I going the drop my Olympus for Sony? No. If I was a competitive professional and Sony would give me an advantage, sure I would probably move to Sony. But there are areas of photography of both the professional and amateur world that Sony just does not fit.

Yes, some of the photography newbies will be swayed by the call of the name. But does it meet their needs? It will not meet Bill's needs at Burkphoto. It will not give Thomas Stirr an advantage for interiors. It does not meet Larry Price's or Jay Dickman's needs. It will not meet my own travel needs.

I will be carrying two systems, one for my wife and one for me, for three weeks in Scotland. That will be 18 pounds for three weeks but with a range of 14 to 1200. Cannot do two systems at 18 pounds in a small carry-on with a Sony.

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Feb 2, 2022 16:01:53   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
gwilliams6 wrote:
But you cant dismiss the fact that Sony sells more mirrorless cameras Worldwide than either Canon or Nikon, check the numbers. And Sony also sells more fullframe cameras worldwide (DSLR or mirrorless) than anybody else.

Canon's overall sales numbers are hugely influenced by its huge compact camera sales and DX and fullframe size DSLR cameras sales . But you never mention that Mr. Canon, ever. Canon folks never mention those facts. LOL

And we all know the real top of the market and the leading segment for the latest innovation is Fullframe mirrorless cameras. Sony invented and perfected the fullframe mirrorless camera. Here now and still in fullframe , Sony is the leader in numbers, the leader in variety of fullframe models and in the hearts of major News services worldwide, NOT Canon or Nikon. Just the facts, even if Canon folks won't believe the new reality.

Oh and those news services could have chosen Canon or Nikon mirrorless but when the looked at the overall systems and pace of innovation, they ALL chose Sony. Just a Fact.

Read and understand the new reality now for many top pros around the world.

https://alphauniverse.com/stories/why-the-associated-press-just-switched-to-sony/

https://petapixel.com/2021/11/17/sony-is-now-the-exclusive-camera-provider-for-gannett-and-usa-today/

https://www.dpreview.com/news/4545693607/the-uk-largest-news-agency-partners-with-sony

Cheers
But you cant dismiss the fact that Sony sells more... (show quote)


I'd take a cold shower to cool down that Sony lather you've got going on. A ratio of 6 to 5 or about 100,000 total difference in the global mirrorless segment in 2020 isn't quite the hype you're so busy hyperventilating over. Let's see what the 2021 numbers have to say. Selling cameras to a dying newspaper industry really isn't something to crow too loudly about. Here in Chicago what's left of the newspapers went to crowd-based image sourcing years ago, firing their entire photography staff. That was 2013, now almost a full decade ago ...

BTW - did you really just wake up from under a rock? Canon invented the Olympics, at least how a global leader in photography handles the event. From a July 2021 press release, we're reminded:

Canon claims top share of press cameras used at the Olympic Games Tokyo 2020, highlights DSLR and mirrorless cameras and remote image capture technologies that assisted press photographers

https://global.canon/en/news/2021/20210820.html

And if you want to show pictures, here's some of what it means to support a 48% global market share at the Olympics:


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Feb 2, 2022 16:14:47   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Ford vs Chevy
Pennzoil vs Quaker State
McDonalds vs Booger Kong
Mac vs Windows
Canon vs Nikon vs Sony
Tit vs Tat
Toe MAY toe vs Toe MAH toe
Cassette vs 8-track
AM vs FM

IT'S NOT VS. It is AND. There's room for more than one player in a market. In fact, unless it's a governmentally regulated monopoly, it is HIGHLY desirable from a consumer perspective to have choices. Producers call it competition, but it's really innovation, progress, and choice, from a user perspective.

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Feb 2, 2022 16:15:32   #
LDB415 Loc: Houston south suburb
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
I'd take a cold shower to cool down that Sony lather you've got going on. A ratio of 6 to 5 or about 100,000 total difference in the global mirrorless segment in 2020 isn't quite the hype you're so busy hyperventilating over. Let's see what the 2021 numbers have to say. Selling cameras to a dying newspaper industry really isn'y something to crow too loudly about. Here in Chicago what's left of the newspapers went to crowd-based image sourcing years ago, firing their entire photography staff. That was 2013, now almost a full decade ago ...

BTW - did you really just wake up from under a rock? Canon invented the Olympics, at least how a global leader in photography handles the event. From a July 2021 press release, we're reminded:

Canon claims top share of press cameras used at the Olympic Games Tokyo 2020, highlights DSLR and mirrorless cameras and remote image capture technologies that assisted press photographers

https://global.canon/en/news/2021/20210820.html

And if you want to show pictures, here's some of what it means to support a 49% global market share at the Olympics:

I'd take a cold shower to cool down that Sony lath... (show quote)


Wouldn't it be nice to have the price of all that equipment added to one's bank account.

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Feb 2, 2022 16:15:36   #
gwilliams6
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
I'd take a cold shower to cool down that Sony lather you've got going on. A ratio of 6 to 5 or about 100,000 total difference in the global mirrorless segment in 2020 isn't quite the hype you're so busy hyperventilating over. Let's see what the 2021 numbers have to say. Selling cameras to a dying newspaper industry really isn'y something to crow too loudly about. Here in Chicago what's left of the newspapers went to crowd-based image sourcing years ago, firing all their entire photography staff. That was 2013, now almost a full decade ago ...
I'd take a cold shower to cool down that Sony lath... (show quote)


Your lack of any knowledge about worldwide media services is in line with you rabid Canon fandom. These media services using Sony exclusively for their still photographers and videographers worldwide are supplying content to TV channels, cable networks, online streaming services, online magazines, publishers in all segments, way beyond mere newspaper use. Gannet which switched to Sony, alone has countless TV outlets. Those aren't going away anytime soon.

You talk a good story Mr. Canon, but you really dont know all you think you do about everything. LOL

Cheers

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Feb 2, 2022 16:20:39   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
gwilliams6 wrote:
Your lack of any knowledge about worldwide media services is in line with you rabid Canon fandom. These media services using Sony exclusively for their still photographers and videographers worldwide are supplying content to TV channels, cable networks, online streaming services, online magazines, publishers in all segments, way beyond mere newspaper use. Gannet which switched to Sony, alone has countless TV outlets. Those aren't going away anytime soon.

You talk a good story Mr. Canon, but you really dont know all you think you do about everything. LOL

Cheers
Your lack of any knowledge about worldwide media s... (show quote)


When you (a) produce a list of the top 50 news organizations, or 20 if the list can't be 50 long, and (b) identify their current sole-source camera equipment vendor, only then will your self-proclaimed position as God-King of Photography be granted. If Canon was the top share in the recent summer Olympics, I don't know how you're going to show Sony as the leader, but maybe you know some new form of math?

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